#breaking Stormy Daniels arrested

[Quickseller]

According to her dirtbag lawyer, Michael Avenatti, Stephanie Clifford, whose "professional" name (the name she is known as in porn movies, strip clubs, and CNN) is Stormy Daniels was arrested in an Ohio strip club for allowing a patron touch her, which is illegal under OH statutes.

If the allegation is true, should Daniels be given a 'free pass' because she and her lawyer are vocal in trying to spew dirt on President Trump? Or should she face the consequences of her actions like anyone else in her situation would have to?

edit/correction: the actual reason she was arrested was because she touched a patron at the club where she was performing. Her lawyer did in fact say (inaccurately) that she was arrested for allowing a patron to touch her.

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[Starfranko]

The law we are told is not a respecter of persons, if she had contravened the laws of the state of Ohio she has to face the consequences, that she has been speaking out against president Trump should not be reason enough why she should deserve a special and preferential treatment.

[Quickseller]

The law we are told is not a respecter of persons, if she had contravened the laws of the state of Ohio she has to face the consequences, that she has been speaking out against president Trump should not be reason enough why she should deserve a special and preferential treatment.

Right. Being a political actor does not and should not give you safe harbor to break the law.

It also seems both her and her lawyer appear to be leveraging their anti-trump stance and what is likely a bogus story for their own personal financial gain.

[iluvbitcoins]

1 - A person voluntarily gives his money
2 - Another person voluntarily allows someone to touch her
3 - Arrest them because muh goverment

[hilariousandco]

I think she should be sentenced to death for this heinous crime. Letting another human being touch you is disgusting and there's no excuses for it. Off with her head.

[cryptothief]

Looks like it was her touching the patrons, not the other way round. And the charges have already been dropped. Apparently the charges were dismissed because she 'has not made regular appearances at this establishment as required under the law', so trying to get patrons to motorboat her was perfectly legal.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/stormy-daniels-arrested-in-ohio/index.html

[suchmoon]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

[Quickseller]

1 - A person voluntarily gives his money
2 - Another person voluntarily allows someone to touch her
3 - Arrest them because muh goverment

I think she should be sentenced to death for this heinous crime. Letting another human being touch you is disgusting and there's no excuses for it. Off with her head.

The US is a county of laws, and as long as a law is in effect, and does not conflict with a law passed by a higher authority (eg., a local ordinance conflicting with a state law), you must follow the law or be at risk of facing the consequences prescribed in the law.

The law was passed by elected officials who were duly elected, so it is arguably fair to say the law is part of the will of the people.

In general, I do not like government regulations, however simply ignoring a regulation is not the answer, the solution to regulations is to persuade the government to change/remove said regulations either via elections or via petitioning the government to do so. If you fall under the jurisdiction of a regulator, and ignore their regulations, you will almost certainly face consequences.

I would also point out that the police being at the club was apparently part of a long term sex trafficking investigation.

Looks like it was her touching the patrons, not the other way round. And the charges have already been dropped. Apparently the charges were dismissed because she 'has not made regular appearances at this establishment as required under the law', so trying to get patrons to motorboat her was perfectly legal.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/stormy-daniels-arrested-in-ohio/index.html

Yes, it seems as if a single word in the statute allowed Stormy to get out of the charges. My reading of the law is that if she had fondled the patrons on the 2nd night she was scheduled at the club, she would have been found guilty. Although considering the law does not specify the "employee" needs to perform at the same establishment "repeatedly" it is arguable she would be found guilty if it was determined she had performed in multiple clubs in OH under the court's jurisdiction, which I believe to be the case. Perhaps the DA didn't want to have to deal with the BS from her lawyer who likes to try cases on friendly cable TV stations.

Initial reports were that stormy had allowed a patron to touch her.

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

A spouse is a person's family member. Having your spouse touch you is not weird to everyone... 

[suchmoon]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

A spouse is a person's family member. Having your spouse touch you is not weird to everyone... 

The existence of such provision in the law seems to imply that a person in Ohio would attend their spouse's performance in a strip club AND would want to be publicly fondled by said spouse thus letting it be known to everyone around them that they're a family. That's gotta be at least a little weird. Do they have similar provisions for e.g. indecent exposure?

[Flying Hellfish]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

I mean you can't make this shit up OMG LOL

Seems pretty convenient an undercover op was taking place at that time.  If they were investigating human trafficking and prostitution why did they arrest an out of town stripper and blow the whole sting operation for a couple of fucking misdemeanors??

Her lawyer is cocky as fuck too. He claimed pretty emphatically that Trump will be forced to resign before the end of his first term.  I guess we'll find out eventually if he is a blow hard saying anything to get on TV or if he knows something.

Trump is definitely back peddling on this one.  It seems likely to me that the info from Cohen could link the payments to Trump.  Which is why Guiliani admitted Trump payed the money to Cohen even after all Trumps vehement denials!

So Trump is a liar, tell me a POTUS that wasn't LOL

But seriously rich, ugly, horny guy fucks anything that moves including a porn star and doesn't want people to know about, gee that never happens!

[Quickseller]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

A spouse is a person's family member. Having your spouse touch you is not weird to everyone... 

The existence of such provision in the law seems to imply that a person in Ohio would attend their spouse's performance in a strip club AND would want to be publicly fondled by said spouse thus letting it be known to everyone around them that they're a family. That's gotta be at least a little weird. Do they have similar provisions for e.g. indecent exposure?

I am not familiar with OH laws, however I would say it is a safe bet the provision was put in that law to avoid it conflicting with another law.

The law was also apparently back by Christian conservatives, who presumably to prevent non-married people from touching eachother in these clubs.

Do they have similar provisions for e.g. indecent exposure?

yup. 

[suchmoon]

Seems pretty convenient an undercover op was taking place at that time.  If they were investigating human trafficking and prostitution why did they arrest an out of town stripper and blow the whole sting operation for a couple of fucking misdemeanors??

Yeah that part didn't make any sense nor did the part where the cops didn't know the law they're supposed to enforce and arrested a visiting performer. I guess the family member provision would work the same way - arrest first, ask questions later.

The law was also apparently back by Christian conservatives, who presumably to prevent non-married people from touching eachother in these clubs.

Makes sense. That's what you get when you let the "family values" crowd write the laws. I have bad news for them. There is lots of unmarried touching going on everywhere, even publicly. Trying to outlaw it in a strip club is like saying you can't have drinks stronger than 30% in a bar but feel free to down that bottle of rum in a playground or in a church.

[Quickseller]

If you have people paying to be touched in a sexual way which is ultimately what you are doing when a performer is touching a patron at a strip club, you have what is very close to prostitution if not outright prostitution, depending on the circumstances and the legislature probably didn’t want a loophole for prostitution. With prostitution, there is the risk of human trafficking being involved and/or other forms of coercion, hence the police investigation.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

[Quickseller]

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

Undercover police offers witnessed her feeling up customers and when the cops approached her she felt them up too.

[suchmoon]

If you have people paying to be touched in a sexual way which is ultimately what you are doing when a performer is touching a patron at a strip club, you have what is very close to prostitution if not outright prostitution, depending on the circumstances and the legislature probably didn’t want a loophole for prostitution. With prostitution, there is the risk of human trafficking being involved and/or other forms of coercion, hence the police investigation.

So which is the real problem, non-marital touching or the dual-slippery-slope from strip club to prostitution to human trafficking?

There are laws against human trafficking and those should be enforced instead of outlawing consensual activities that may or may not lead to human trafficking. It appears that no humans were trafficked in Stormy's crime that didn't happen.

Ohio should also outlaw touching between a masseuse and her patrons, if they haven't done so yet. All those massage parlors are loopholes to prostitution anyway.

[Mometaskers]

LOL America is weird. I'd understand some white knights would push to make it illegal for patrons to touch the strippers but the strippers also being forbidden from touching the bar patrons? Well, guess she's now experiencing the joys of gender equality. It's wrong to harass people no matter what gender right?

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

Undercover police offers witnessed her feeling up customers and when the cops approached her she felt them up too.

I wonder if she just got turned on by the uniform or mistook them for fellow performers. Haha.

[suchmoon]

America is weird

Only some of it. Mostly the parts between Mexico and Canada.

[BADecker]

Charges Against Stormy Daniels Dropped On Technicality Amid Human Trafficking Investigation

Daniels was observed using her bare breasts to smack patrons, as well as grab the breasts of female patrons, according to the arrest report.

At approximately 11:30 a dancer using the stage name Stormy Daniels, later identified as Stephanie Clifford made her way to the main stage and began performing. The majority of the patrons got up from their tables and stood immediately adjacent to the stage throwing dollar bills at Ms. Clifford. During her performance after removing her top exposing her breasts she began forcing the faces of patrons into her chest and using her bare breasts to smack the patrons. The officers observed Ms. Clifford fondling the breasts of female patrons....

...Ms. Clifford leaned over, grabbed Det. Keckley's head and began smacking her face with her bare breasts and holding her face between her breasts and against her chest. Ms. Clifford then made her way over to Det. Lancaster and performed the same acts on him forcing his face into her chest between her breasts and began smacking his face with her bare breasts."

Read more at https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-12/charges-against-stormy-daniels-dropped-technicality-amid-human-trafficking.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

Undercover police offers witnessed her feeling up customers and when the cops approached her she felt them up too.

Kinda wonder what they are doing there in the first place. You think they've put her under surveillance after that "revelation" about Trump? I mean, this look more than a coincidence that they happen to be at the same strip bar where she work. Bet she now regret going on TV.

[Quickseller]

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

Undercover police offers witnessed her feeling up customers and when the cops approached her she felt them up too.

Kinda wonder what they are doing there in the first place. You think they've put her under surveillance after that "revelation" about Trump? I mean, this look more than a coincidence that they happen to be at the same strip bar where she work. Bet she now regret going on TV.

They were there as part of a months long human trafficking investigation. Regardless, being critical of the president is not a safe harbor to break the law

[squatz1]

I think she should be sentenced to death for this heinous crime. Letting another human being touch you is disgusting and there's no excuses for it. Off with her head.

No crime in this world is worth (death sentence) even though the person in question killed another.

I bet yea maybe this was a setup. NEVER trust what the Media reports especially CNN

Little off topic, but I wouldn't trust any news source at face value. Every source as a bias and you're going to have to research things by yourself to ensure that you're getting the genuine news from all sides of the story. The sad thing is that most people don't have this sort of time, and are not going to be able to get the TRUE story -- they're just going to get the biased story.

But anyway, on this whole Stormy Daniels thing -- I don't get why she is relevant anyway. She may or may not have had sex with the President 15 years or so ago? When he wasen't even the President.

I don't get the media and how they determine what is relevant to cover.

[Arevalor]

Who even cares about her?  Any outrage should be pointed at the man's politics. 

[Flying Hellfish]

But anyway, on this whole Stormy Daniels thing -- I don't get why she is relevant anyway. She may or may not have had sex with the President 15 years or so ago? When he wasen't even the President.

I don't get the media and how they determine what is relevant to cover.

The claim is that if Cohen paid her on "Trumps behalf" then it may be considered an in-kind illegal campaign contribution with intent to influence the election.

That is why the timeline went like this:

Trump/Cohen denies everything.
Cohen admits to the payments and claims they were legal payments and that Trump and the campaign knew nothing about the payments.
Trump/Giuliani admit they knew about the payments and that Trump payed Cohen back.

The timing of the raid on Cohen and the back peddling is obvious.

Stormy's Lawyer claims that Trump will not make it to 2020 as a result of what he knows.

So the left media picked up on it and is running balls to the walls with it and the right is ignoring it.

[suchmoon]

Also it looks like AT&T had $600k worth of sex with Stormy... or perhaps with Donald Trump... this pay-to-play shit is confusing.

[iluvbitcoins]

Also it looks like AT&T had $600k worth of sex with Stormy... or perhaps with Donald Trump... this pay-to-play shit is confusing.

Hmmm



Might be worth 600k to AT&T?

Dunno, seems a bit expensive 

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/stormy-daniels-net-worth/

[Quickseller]

She looks ugly. And fake.

[squatz1]

But anyway, on this whole Stormy Daniels thing -- I don't get why she is relevant anyway. She may or may not have had sex with the President 15 years or so ago? When he wasen't even the President.

I don't get the media and how they determine what is relevant to cover.

The claim is that if Cohen paid her on "Trumps behalf" then it may be considered an in-kind illegal campaign contribution with intent to influence the election.

That is why the timeline went like this:

Trump/Cohen denies everything.
Cohen admits to the payments and claims they were legal payments and that Trump and the campaign knew nothing about the payments.
Trump/Giuliani admit they knew about the payments and that Trump payed Cohen back.

The timing of the raid on Cohen and the back peddling is obvious.

Stormy's Lawyer claims that Trump will not make it to 2020 as a result of what he knows.

So the left media picked up on it and is running balls to the walls with it and the right is ignoring it.

So now we’re going after people for what??— breaking the campaign individual max contributions? You and me both know that’s a bullshit charge by an out of control special counsel.

This reminds me of the Clinton special counsel days.....

If Cohen wanted to influence the election he couldve spent millions on ProTrump super pacs and this wouldn’t have been an issue

[Dixon_WestSeven]

Haha, so much ridiculousness to this story! So, first off, these undercover cops are paid to get porn starts to smack them in the face with their naked breasts? To answer your question, of course she shouldn't have gotten any special treatment for what she's said about Trump. The laws should be the same for everybody.

The actual law referred to in your article is http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.40.

This part leaves me with so many questions:

(C)(2) No employee who regularly appears nude or seminude on the premises of a sexually oriented business, while on the premises of that sexually oriented business and while nude or seminude, shall knowingly touch a patron who is not a member of the employee's immediate family or another employee who is not a member of the employee's immediate family or the clothing of a patron who is not a member of the employee's immediate family or another employee who is not a member of the employee's immediate family or allow a patron who is not a member of the employee's immediate family or another employee who is not a member of the employee's immediate family to touch the employee or the clothing of the employee.

So, according to previous replies here, she got of because she didn't appear regularly at the strip club. What the heck? So, if you just occasionally work at a strip club, you can do whatever you want? Great law-writing right there. This law requires so many clarifications. It's a bit funny that if the employee was not nude or seminude, apparently it would also be completely legal to touch a patron. Or would seminude count as anybody not in a burqa? People's hands and faces are usually "nude" after all. I really wonder why they mention immediate family members so often. Who were they imagining when they wrote this law. It's okay for naked strippers to touch their immediate family members at work. Of course, I can see spouses, but who else? Parents? Siblings? Ohio, I think you're pretty strange.

[Karisma Black]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

It's a Trump law, just in case his daughter ever ends up working in an Ohio strip club.

[suchmoon]

So now we’re going after people for what??— breaking the campaign individual max contributions? You and me both know that’s a bullshit charge by an out of control special counsel.

This reminds me of the Clinton special counsel days.....

If Cohen wanted to influence the election he couldve spent millions on ProTrump super pacs and this wouldn’t have been an issue

Why spend millions when you can spend $130k and make a potential scandal go away? This would make sense for any politician and it's not a huge stretch to question this payoff as a potential campaign contribution. The answer might be "no" but the question needs to be answered.

Cohen is being investigated by USAO-SDNY, i.e. Trump's DOJ, not the special counsel, and the investigation includes other potential charges although the porn star gets most publicity. Now it looks like there are recordings of Trump discussing another payoff.

[Quickseller]

Why spend millions when you can spend $130k and make a potential scandal go away?

A scandal? I don't think it was a secret that Trump was/is a womanizer, and CNN was publishing tapes that were more than a decade old of Trump calling into Howard Sterns radio show. What was being published was much worse politically than Trump having an extramarital affair with a (ugly) porn star. 

Further, there were multiple (likely politically motivated) allegations of non-consensual sexual activity on the part of Trump around that time, and a single additional consensual relationship would likely have swayed few, if any voters one way or another. 

[suchmoon]

Why spend millions when you can spend $130k and make a potential scandal go away?

A scandal? I don't think it was a secret that Trump was/is a womanizer, and CNN was publishing tapes that were more than a decade old of Trump calling into Howard Sterns radio show. What was being published was much worse politically than Trump having an extramarital affair with a (ugly) porn star. 

Further, there were multiple (likely politically motivated) allegations of non-consensual sexual activity on the part of Trump around that time, and a single additional consensual relationship would likely have swayed few, if any voters one way or another. 

Well, I don't really care either way about someone's consensual shtupping so I would agree with you on that part.

But why did they pay her (or McDougal) off, and why all the pseudonyms and NDAs and LLCs and lying about having no knowledge of this or that? It seems they (Cohen/Trump) thought it's a bigger deal than what you're saying.

[Quickseller]

But why did they pay her (or McDougal) off, and why all the pseudonyms and NDAs and LLCs and lying about having no knowledge of this or that? It seems they (Cohen/Trump) thought it's a bigger deal than what you're saying.

Trump is married and has a young child (he also has a brand whose value is closely associated with his reputation). The payment to Stormy was to protect the Marriage (and others mentioned above), and according to Trump/Cohen would have been paid regardless of if Trump was running for President.

The NDA is the point of the payment, and the pseudonyms create distance between the agreement and Trump.

According to Trump, these types of agreements are common among the very wealthy, and are used to prevent a wealthy person's family from hearing about bogus allegations. There was a short time between when the affair/payment was disclosed/leaked by Avenatti (the creepy porn lawyer), and when the details of the affair and NDA become credible. I suspect that no credible claim would have ever reached Trump's family if it were not for the fact that Trump is president and Avenatti had not clearly acted in a way that is clearly not in his client's best interest.

[bluefirecorp_]

Corrupt cops in the end;

https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ckmjuz/5_columbus_ohio_police_officers_face_discipline/


Ahahahaha.

[Spendulus]

I think she should be sentenced to death for this heinous crime. Letting another human being touch you is disgusting and there's no excuses for it. Off with her head.

Wait, that would ruin Ms. Good Head.

[TimeBits]

She has big bobs

EXCLUSIVE - Stormy Daniels Details Sex with Donald Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ji8i7Wy4mo
"Comments are disabled for this video." They always do this on shit they don`t want people to talk about, freedom of speech getting removed everywhere.

[bluefirecorp_]

Corrupt cops in the end;

https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ckmjuz/5_columbus_ohio_police_officers_face_discipline/


Ahahahaha.

So, any apologies from those that wrongfully accused her? When's this thread gonna get updated?

[bones261]

Corrupt cops in the end;

https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ckmjuz/5_columbus_ohio_police_officers_face_discipline/


Ahahahaha.

So, any apologies from those that wrongfully accused her? When's this thread gonna get updated?

I would be surprised if it is ever updated. After all, this news story goes against the narrative. Therefore, from their POV, it must be "fake news."
To go back on topic, from my understanding, it is routine for charges to be dropped or reduced. Especially with petty matters such as this. Just because the person has some fame or notoriety, doesn't mean that we need to go against the norm and throw the book at them. They are entitled to get their charges dropped or reduced just like anyone else.

[bluefirecorp_]

...Just because the person has some fame or notoriety, doesn't mean that we need to go against the norm and throw the book at them. They are entitled to get their charges dropped or reduced just like anyone else....

I think we should hold officers accountable for their actions. If you're unlawfully detaining someone based on political bias, then you're breaking the law.

[bones261]

...Just because the person has some fame or notoriety, doesn't mean that we need to go against the norm and throw the book at them. They are entitled to get their charges dropped or reduced just like anyone else....

I think we should hold officers accountable for their actions. If you're unlawfully detaining someone based on political bias, then you're breaking the law.

I am certain Stormy Daniel's legal representation will do everything possible to make sure she gets the proper justice that she desires and deserves.

[bluefirecorp_]

I am certain Stormy Daniel's legal representation will do everything possible to make sure she gets the proper justice that she desires and deserves.

Pretty sad that it takes money to get justice in this country...

Isn't that "pursuit of liberty" clause or something.

[bones261]

I am certain Stormy Daniel's legal representation will do everything possible to make sure she gets the proper justice that she desires and deserves.

Pretty sad that it takes money to get justice in this country...

Isn't that "pursuit of liberty" clause or something.

No it falls under the right to have due process. A person is also supposed to have the right to an attorney, and if they cannot afford one, to have one appointed to them. Unfortunately, many public defenders have huge case loads and are underpaid.