#breaking Stormy Daniels arrested

[Quickseller]

According to her dirtbag lawyer, Michael Avenatti, Stephanie Clifford, whose "professional" name (the name she is known as in porn movies, strip clubs, and CNN) is Stormy Daniels was arrested in an Ohio strip club for allowing a patron touch her, which is illegal under OH statutes.

If the allegation is true, should Daniels be given a 'free pass' because she and her lawyer are vocal in trying to spew dirt on President Trump? Or should she face the consequences of her actions like anyone else in her situation would have to?

edit/correction: the actual reason she was arrested was because she touched a patron at the club where she was performing. Her lawyer did in fact say (inaccurately) that she was arrested for allowing a patron to touch her.

[Starfranko]

The law we are told is not a respecter of persons, if she had contravened the laws of the state of Ohio she has to face the consequences, that she has been speaking out against president Trump should not be reason enough why she should deserve a special and preferential treatment.

[Quickseller]

The law we are told is not a respecter of persons, if she had contravened the laws of the state of Ohio she has to face the consequences, that she has been speaking out against president Trump should not be reason enough why she should deserve a special and preferential treatment.

Right. Being a political actor does not and should not give you safe harbor to break the law.

It also seems both her and her lawyer appear to be leveraging their anti-trump stance and what is likely a bogus story for their own personal financial gain.

[iluvbitcoins]

1 - A person voluntarily gives his money
2 - Another person voluntarily allows someone to touch her
3 - Arrest them because muh goverment

[hilariousandco]

I think she should be sentenced to death for this heinous crime. Letting another human being touch you is disgusting and there's no excuses for it. Off with her head.

[cryptothief]

Looks like it was her touching the patrons, not the other way round. And the charges have already been dropped. Apparently the charges were dismissed because she 'has not made regular appearances at this establishment as required under the law', so trying to get patrons to motorboat her was perfectly legal.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/stormy-daniels-arrested-in-ohio/index.html

[suchmoon]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

[Quickseller]

1 - A person voluntarily gives his money
2 - Another person voluntarily allows someone to touch her
3 - Arrest them because muh goverment

I think she should be sentenced to death for this heinous crime. Letting another human being touch you is disgusting and there's no excuses for it. Off with her head.

The US is a county of laws, and as long as a law is in effect, and does not conflict with a law passed by a higher authority (eg., a local ordinance conflicting with a state law), you must follow the law or be at risk of facing the consequences prescribed in the law.

The law was passed by elected officials who were duly elected, so it is arguably fair to say the law is part of the will of the people.

In general, I do not like government regulations, however simply ignoring a regulation is not the answer, the solution to regulations is to persuade the government to change/remove said regulations either via elections or via petitioning the government to do so. If you fall under the jurisdiction of a regulator, and ignore their regulations, you will almost certainly face consequences.

I would also point out that the police being at the club was apparently part of a long term sex trafficking investigation.

Looks like it was her touching the patrons, not the other way round. And the charges have already been dropped. Apparently the charges were dismissed because she 'has not made regular appearances at this establishment as required under the law', so trying to get patrons to motorboat her was perfectly legal.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/stormy-daniels-arrested-in-ohio/index.html

Yes, it seems as if a single word in the statute allowed Stormy to get out of the charges. My reading of the law is that if she had fondled the patrons on the 2nd night she was scheduled at the club, she would have been found guilty. Although considering the law does not specify the "employee" needs to perform at the same establishment "repeatedly" it is arguable she would be found guilty if it was determined she had performed in multiple clubs in OH under the court's jurisdiction, which I believe to be the case. Perhaps the DA didn't want to have to deal with the BS from her lawyer who likes to try cases on friendly cable TV stations.

Initial reports were that stormy had allowed a patron to touch her.

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

A spouse is a person's family member. Having your spouse touch you is not weird to everyone... 

[suchmoon]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

A spouse is a person's family member. Having your spouse touch you is not weird to everyone... 

The existence of such provision in the law seems to imply that a person in Ohio would attend their spouse's performance in a strip club AND would want to be publicly fondled by said spouse thus letting it be known to everyone around them that they're a family. That's gotta be at least a little weird. Do they have similar provisions for e.g. indecent exposure?

[Flying Hellfish]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

I mean you can't make this shit up OMG LOL

Seems pretty convenient an undercover op was taking place at that time.  If they were investigating human trafficking and prostitution why did they arrest an out of town stripper and blow the whole sting operation for a couple of fucking misdemeanors??

Her lawyer is cocky as fuck too. He claimed pretty emphatically that Trump will be forced to resign before the end of his first term.  I guess we'll find out eventually if he is a blow hard saying anything to get on TV or if he knows something.

Trump is definitely back peddling on this one.  It seems likely to me that the info from Cohen could link the payments to Trump.  Which is why Guiliani admitted Trump payed the money to Cohen even after all Trumps vehement denials!

So Trump is a liar, tell me a POTUS that wasn't LOL

But seriously rich, ugly, horny guy fucks anything that moves including a porn star and doesn't want people to know about, gee that never happens!

[Quickseller]

Regular performers are allowed to touch family members.

Ohio is weird.

A spouse is a person's family member. Having your spouse touch you is not weird to everyone... 

The existence of such provision in the law seems to imply that a person in Ohio would attend their spouse's performance in a strip club AND would want to be publicly fondled by said spouse thus letting it be known to everyone around them that they're a family. That's gotta be at least a little weird. Do they have similar provisions for e.g. indecent exposure?

I am not familiar with OH laws, however I would say it is a safe bet the provision was put in that law to avoid it conflicting with another law.

The law was also apparently back by Christian conservatives, who presumably to prevent non-married people from touching eachother in these clubs.

Do they have similar provisions for e.g. indecent exposure?

yup. 

[suchmoon]

Seems pretty convenient an undercover op was taking place at that time.  If they were investigating human trafficking and prostitution why did they arrest an out of town stripper and blow the whole sting operation for a couple of fucking misdemeanors??

Yeah that part didn't make any sense nor did the part where the cops didn't know the law they're supposed to enforce and arrested a visiting performer. I guess the family member provision would work the same way - arrest first, ask questions later.

The law was also apparently back by Christian conservatives, who presumably to prevent non-married people from touching eachother in these clubs.

Makes sense. That's what you get when you let the "family values" crowd write the laws. I have bad news for them. There is lots of unmarried touching going on everywhere, even publicly. Trying to outlaw it in a strip club is like saying you can't have drinks stronger than 30% in a bar but feel free to down that bottle of rum in a playground or in a church.

[Quickseller]

If you have people paying to be touched in a sexual way which is ultimately what you are doing when a performer is touching a patron at a strip club, you have what is very close to prostitution if not outright prostitution, depending on the circumstances and the legislature probably didn’t want a loophole for prostitution. With prostitution, there is the risk of human trafficking being involved and/or other forms of coercion, hence the police investigation.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

[Quickseller]

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

Undercover police offers witnessed her feeling up customers and when the cops approached her she felt them up too.

[suchmoon]

If you have people paying to be touched in a sexual way which is ultimately what you are doing when a performer is touching a patron at a strip club, you have what is very close to prostitution if not outright prostitution, depending on the circumstances and the legislature probably didn’t want a loophole for prostitution. With prostitution, there is the risk of human trafficking being involved and/or other forms of coercion, hence the police investigation.

So which is the real problem, non-marital touching or the dual-slippery-slope from strip club to prostitution to human trafficking?

There are laws against human trafficking and those should be enforced instead of outlawing consensual activities that may or may not lead to human trafficking. It appears that no humans were trafficked in Stormy's crime that didn't happen.

Ohio should also outlaw touching between a masseuse and her patrons, if they haven't done so yet. All those massage parlors are loopholes to prostitution anyway.

[Mometaskers]

LOL America is weird. I'd understand some white knights would push to make it illegal for patrons to touch the strippers but the strippers also being forbidden from touching the bar patrons? Well, guess she's now experiencing the joys of gender equality. It's wrong to harass people no matter what gender right?

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

Undercover police offers witnessed her feeling up customers and when the cops approached her she felt them up too.

I wonder if she just got turned on by the uniform or mistook them for fellow performers. Haha.

[suchmoon]

America is weird

Only some of it. Mostly the parts between Mexico and Canada.

[BADecker]

Charges Against Stormy Daniels Dropped On Technicality Amid Human Trafficking Investigation

Daniels was observed using her bare breasts to smack patrons, as well as grab the breasts of female patrons, according to the arrest report.

At approximately 11:30 a dancer using the stage name Stormy Daniels, later identified as Stephanie Clifford made her way to the main stage and began performing. The majority of the patrons got up from their tables and stood immediately adjacent to the stage throwing dollar bills at Ms. Clifford. During her performance after removing her top exposing her breasts she began forcing the faces of patrons into her chest and using her bare breasts to smack the patrons. The officers observed Ms. Clifford fondling the breasts of female patrons....

...Ms. Clifford leaned over, grabbed Det. Keckley's head and began smacking her face with her bare breasts and holding her face between her breasts and against her chest. Ms. Clifford then made her way over to Det. Lancaster and performed the same acts on him forcing his face into her chest between her breasts and began smacking his face with her bare breasts."

Read more at https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-12/charges-against-stormy-daniels-dropped-technicality-amid-human-trafficking.

[TheCoinGrabber]

I don't know the exact laws there but that sounds crazy. Since it's illegal for the performer to touch the clients, I suppose it's also illegal for them to be touched, right?

What I'm interested in is who filed the case. Did the customer (which I assumed is a guy) complained about harassment after being touched in a strip bar he likely went in voluntarily?

Undercover police offers witnessed her feeling up customers and when the cops approached her she felt them up too.

Kinda wonder what they are doing there in the first place. You think they've put her under surveillance after that "revelation" about Trump? I mean, this look more than a coincidence that they happen to be at the same strip bar where she work. Bet she now regret going on TV.