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August 31, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
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just for understanding  Huh
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




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Pretty sure you mean Bonus:0.050197.The website says the average time of return on investment is 12 hours,can be less can more depends on demand.So you should count maximum 24 hours?
I would just like to ask if someone has tried becoming a seller,how everything went? I'm kinda intersted in this but some feedback and experience statements would be highly appreciated

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September 01, 2018, 09:42:58 AM
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dont understand....how do i register jambler.io???....it says you use your jabber or telegram account....i don't have a jabber account....i don't have a telegram account....so whats the case....am i obliged to create an account with these services in order to get access to jambler???
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September 01, 2018, 03:48:11 PM
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Bitcoin, becoming widely used and widely trusted as a valid currency, attempts to fill the role of digital ‘cash’. Having numerous benefits and advantages, cryptocurrency differs greatly from other methods of online transactions in anonymity and decentralization. The most fundamental benefits of using Bitcoin are the following: irreversible transactions, quick payments, no involvement of any third party, reduced transaction fees, ease of use, no paperwork and anonymity. However, while a certain degree of anonymity of Bitcoin is sufficient for most users or purposes, privacy is not guaranteed. The only privacy that exists in Bitcoin comes from pseudonymous addresses, which are vulnerable and easily compromised through various analysis methods, such as volume analysis, cluster analysis and taint analysis. Being acquainted with the first two methods, let us proceed to analyze the last one.

In the Bitcoin system, taint is a correlation between addresses. The correlation comes from the past transactions (received or spent). Taint analysis determines the closeness between multiple Bitcoin addresses. Any quantifiable measure of taint between two addresses creates a link between the two and may be used to discover previously unknown addresses in a payment scheme. Taint Analysis returns a list of addresses related to the queried address. Examining taint provides insight into efficacy of a Bitcoin mixing service. A successful mixing service should reduce the taint between the originating address and the receiving address to zero.

Hiding your identity in our digital world is quite tricky, as people always leave behind several digital footprints. Bitcoin by design is not anonymous, but if used wisely, it can give you more than enough privacy. There are various workaround solutions to make Bitcoin anonymous, including the use of Bitcoin mixing, a Tor browser, a logless VPN and a new address for every transaction. Still the technology has a long way to go, as it is fairly new and is constantly improving.
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Am novice to the subject of this thread, can you please explain what Bitcoin mixer is all about?

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September 02, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
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Am novice to the subject of this thread, can you please explain what Bitcoin mixer is all about?

if you weren't busy spamming the OP literally gave a gist of their service and bitcoin mixing. But I guess you just want to hit that Jr.member Rank as soon as you can?  Roll Eyes

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September 02, 2018, 04:00:45 PM
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just for understanding  Huh
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




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Pretty sure you mean Bonus:0.050197.The website says the average time of return on investment is 12 hours,can be less can more depends on demand.So you should count maximum 24 hours?
I would just like to ask if someone has tried becoming a seller,how everything went? I'm kinda intersted in this but some feedback and experience statements would be highly appreciated

The same I wanted to find out to take no risk;)
iam still no seller be course for me the rates are a bit to good o0
In only 12-24 hours we getting interest ? Sounds to good XD


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September 03, 2018, 11:42:05 AM
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dont understand....how do i register jambler.io???....it says you use your jabber or telegram account....i don't have a jabber account....i don't have a telegram account....so whats the case....am i obliged to create an account with these services in order to get access to jambler???
Yes, it’s essential to register on Jambler.io using telegram or jabber account due to security measures.
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September 03, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
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just for understanding  Huh
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




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If you put into seller account 0.05 BTC, you would get bonus 0.0505 BTC. However, as the platform purchases transactions from stock exchanges that usually charge withdrawal fee (0.0005 BTC), you would get your money back without profit. So please consider withdrawal fees.

We (the Jambler.io team) are at the very beginning of the road. At the moment the demand for output transactions from stock exchanges is low. The reason for this is that the platform currently has enough funds to provide anonymization service for all incoming requests. Therefore, at the moment turnaround time of your investment + 1% can last more than a week. With a significant increase in requests, turnaround time of investments will be reduced to 12 hours. Please watch the indicator on https://jambler.io/become-seller.php
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September 03, 2018, 08:25:55 PM
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just for understanding  Huh
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




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If you put into seller account 0.05 BTC, you would get bonus 0.0505 BTC. However, as the platform purchases transactions from stock exchanges that usually charge withdrawal fee (0.0005 BTC), you would get your money back without profit. So please consider withdrawal fees.

We (the Jambler.io team) are at the very beginning of the road. At the moment the demand for output transactions from stock exchanges is low. The reason for this is that the platform currently has enough funds to provide anonymization service for all incoming requests. Therefore, at the moment turnaround time of your investment + 1% can last more than a week. With a significant increase in requests, turnaround time of investments will be reduced to 12 hours. Please watch the indicator on https://jambler.io/become-seller.php


Thanks for this bit late answered ....first i was thinking you are ignoring me and other's Questions about the seller account.
But now i got my Informations thanks ..



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September 04, 2018, 09:30:09 AM
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just for understanding  Huh
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




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If you put into seller account 0.05 BTC, you would get bonus 0.0505 BTC. However, as the platform purchases transactions from stock exchanges that usually charge withdrawal fee (0.0005 BTC), you would get your money back without profit. So please consider withdrawal fees.

We (the Jambler.io team) are at the very beginning of the road. At the moment the demand for output transactions from stock exchanges is low. The reason for this is that the platform currently has enough funds to provide anonymization service for all incoming requests. Therefore, at the moment turnaround time of your investment + 1% can last more than a week. With a significant increase in requests, turnaround time of investments will be reduced to 12 hours. Please watch the indicator on https://jambler.io/become-seller.php


Thanks for this bit late answered ....first i was thinking you are ignoring me and other's Questions about the seller account.
But now i got my Informations thanks ..



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Please excuse me for the belated reply to your question. I was a little bit overloaded with other activities and frankly speaking didn't expect to many inquiries here that's why I rarely checked this thread for updates.
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As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.

But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level. Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?

A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture

These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same). The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE). They have the same PGP open key! They have the same design. They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).

4) Mixer.money

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?

What are your partners? If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?

According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources? Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

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Honestly,I thought just like you did.Using cloudflare for an anonymity service is very unprofessional,we all know that cloudflare is a data-centric service.I'm not saying that the concept itself is bad,yet it needs a lot of improvement.Concerning the partners,we clearly see lack of transparency,better wait for OP explanations in this matter.

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As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.

But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level. Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?

A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture

These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same). The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE). They have the same PGP open key! They have the same design. They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).

4) Mixer.money

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?

What are your partners? If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?

According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources? Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

First of all, on behalf of the Jambler.io team I would like to thank you for such a comprehensive comment. I will try to answer all the questions you raise in the post. For your convenience, I will write my answers after a specific question below.

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As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.
We are glad that you paid attention to Jambler.io. Indeed, you could integrate your own mixer with our platform and offer your target audience as an option a higher quality service of cryptocurrency anonymization. This is the principle our philosophy is based on -  we do not crave for competition with existing mixers, on the contrary, we offer the whole industry a mutually beneficial partnership which will allow to increase the level of bitcoin anonymity and as a result - privacy of cryptocurrency holders.

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But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level.
We do not pretend to sound like a professional or like a greenhorn. We are who we are. At the moment we are the first on the market to offer the creation of a turn-key mixer (website, TOR mirror, telegram bot) in addition with an investment opportunity. Moreover, almost everyone can build up his own bitcoin mixer: there is no big need for ad-hoc competences or initial investments. 

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Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?
This once again proves that Jambler.io is a team of ordinary people;) We know the architecture of cloudflare, and as it was mentioned above, we will refuse to use it in the nearest future. We are grateful to users for their comments which help us to improve the platform.

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A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture
It is worth mentioning that this is non-exhaustive list of partners published on https://jambler.io/mix-coins.php . We publish the information only about our partners who asked us to do it.

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These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same).
Everything is simple: they look the same because they are built on the typical partner template which can be downloaded at the account page or on github.   

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The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE).
The commission fee is set by the partner in the personal account. 5% is the default value. Nevertheless, our experience shows that end users are ready to pay a higher percentage for quality service and advanced anonymization of their funds.

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They have the same PGP open key!
Indeed, it is the Jambler.io key. The platform generates letters of guarantee for the clients of the partner mixers, and they are all signed up with our PGP key.
There are two reasons for that:
1. We received a simple integration of partners.
2. In case the partner does not conduct business honestly, it can be easily detected, because we are the only to have the private key, not our partners. We are in charge of transactions signed up with our PGP key

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They have the same design.
This can be explained by the fact that all the above-mentioned partner mixers use Jambler.io partner mixer template, which is available for downloading in your personal account. For the moment, we offer only one template for a partner mixer. Our partners can customize the layout of their website as they like or use the API and integrate with the platform.

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They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).
All these partner mixers were built up quite recently, and the platform Jambler.io itself is brand-new. We do not promote our partners; it is their area of responsibility.   

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4) Mixer.money

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?
It is up to you to decide: trust or not. We have never heard of any cases that Mixer.money deceived someone or did not pay the money. If you know opposite examples, we will be grateful for the provision of such information. We (the Jambler.io team) intend to react swiftly to fraudulent actions on the part of partner mixers and take drastic measures to disconnect such partners from the platform.

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What are your partners?
We do not choose partners, we only provide the infrastructure for building up a mixer. To join our partner network you can register on our website, launch a partner mixer using our template, or make your own design. If you want to be listed among our partners on our website, please, reach out to our support team at support@jambler.io. In case we receive complaints, we will remove you from the list and disconnect from the platform. We do not rate our partners, but, as I already wrote, we are particular about our reputation.

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If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?
We are neither an aggregator nor a ‘classic’ mixer. Let me say that we, perhaps, do not fit into any of the existing established definitions of the industry - we bring a new term into use - a 'platform' for bitcoin anonymization.
Our fundamental difference is that we solve the following weak points of 'classic' mixers:
1. a risk of getting your own money back. Moreover, this risk increases with a regular use of one and the same mixer.
2. there is no guarantee that customer money is not mixed with cryptocurrency of illicit origin. In other words, a use of classic mixers may lead to that cryptocurrency of questionable provenance will take part in the mixing process and what is more, return of a part of cryptocurrency back to its owner is not ruled out.

Plus, Jambler.io is more resistant to modern means of deanonymization. I think you should understand why, if you work in this industry.

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According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources? 
It's pretty easy to check. Enter your personal account on the Jambler.io website, and on the Seller tab send your bitcoins taken not from the stock exchange. In this case the money will not pass scoring and will return to you (there will be a direct link in the blockchain between your input address, our transit address and your output address). You will receive a corresponding notification in the messenger. After that you may try to send money, for example, from binance, and they will successfully pass scoring. Everyone can test and verify the scoring system, we do not make this a secret.
Of course, our algorithm cannot guarantee absolute accuracy, but it is high enough to avoid money of questionable origin entering the system. Honest investors always undergo scoring

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Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.
I disagree with you here. The aim of any mixing is, first of all, to keep the client's anonymity. With the evolution of means of deanonymization, it is necessary to change the means of protection.
What is the point of using a mixer with 1,5-3% commission, if its wallets can be traced with the output addresses and/or change addresses, and the customer can also get coins with such a doubtful history that it would be better not to use mixers at all. New times require new solutions.

We will be glad to see you among our partners!

P.S. Jambler.io has just started, and so we are now detecting and eliminating bugs and adjusting the platform  to the tasks of customers. Thank you for your understanding.
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Thanks for your detailed answer. I still have a lot of questions and I tried to summarize them below. I am still skeptical, but I am ready to change an opinion about your service based on your further answers, maybe I just do not get the concept properly.

This is the principle our philosophy is based on -  we do not crave for competition with existing mixers, on the contrary, we offer the whole industry a mutually beneficial partnership which will allow to increase the level of bitcoin anonymity and as a result - privacy of cryptocurrency holders.

Could you describe in details how the industry will benefit from mutual partnership through your project?

At the moment we are the first on the market to offer the creation of a turn-key mixer (website, TOR mirror, telegram bot) in addition with an investment opportunity. Moreover, almost everyone can build up his own bitcoin mixer: there is no big need for ad-hoc competences or initial investments. 

That is exactly the point which makes me think some misunderstanding is happening. A lot of questions come to my mind.

To host a mixing service is a complex task: you need to configure a web-server, run a Bitcoin full node, write the code which will interact with the node, finally the last but not the least: you should have bitcoins to operate with. All right, lets suppose I want to create a mixing service via your platform and I have some coins with me. Suppose you have some code templates, but how do I run a service itself? Because for that purpose I need some web-server where the code of "my mixer" will be executed. Do you provide your customers with the servers? Maybe yes, but the last point remains: what about Bitcoin wallets? Who controls the reserve of the mixers created through your platform?

So the dilemma here is the following: either you hold the bitcoins of users who created a mixer or not? If the answer is yes, then the mixing service is essentially yours, not user's, right? If the answer is no, then how the created mixer is associated with your service? By the way, who buys the domain names for mixer created through your platform?

These were the technical questions, I appreciate if you elaborate on this, because now this concept of creating a mixing service is very vague. I cannot understand who creates what and who is responsible for what. The second part is more about philosophy behind the scenes.

Suppose you have developed some magic box which spits out a mixing service when you push a button. However, what would be the point of such box? Would it have some sense? Because any mixer is centralized, meaning it has to gain a reputation and it is a long and very hard task. What is the point of creating service with couple of clicks? Who will use them? Who will promote them?

In your previous answer you state the following:
Our fundamental difference is that we solve the following weak points of 'classic' mixers:
1. a risk of getting your own money back. Moreover, this risk increases with a regular use of one and the same mixer.

This sounds strange. You may not guarantee that your partners will not scam their customers, right? Do you mean that using different services decreases the risk? But this statement is so questionable. So what do you mean here?

2. there is no guarantee that customer money is not mixed with cryptocurrency of illicit origin. In other words, a use of classic mixers may lead to that cryptocurrency of questionable provenance will take part in the mixing process and what is more, return of a part of cryptocurrency back to its owner is not ruled out.

You always say something about "classic mixer" as your project is kind of "non-classic mixer" which solves some problems of "classic mixers". But as you said above you are not a mixer at all. Moreover, all send-receive mixers use code system: when the users addresses are marked by the code, hence if the user uses the same code every time he uses a service it guarantees that he will not obtain his own coins back.

Plus, Jambler.io is more resistant to modern means of deanonymization. I think you should understand why, if you work in this industry.

Why are you more resistant? What makes you more resistant if you do not even provide mixing services itself? You see, I am completely confused by your answers. You seem to contradict yourself.

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Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.
I disagree with you here. The aim of any mixing is, first of all, to keep the client's anonymity. With the evolution of means of deanonymization, it is necessary to change the means of protection.
What is the point of using a mixer with 1,5-3% commission, if its wallets can be traced with the output addresses and/or change addresses, and the customer can also get coins with such a doubtful history that it would be better not to use mixers at all. New times require new solutions.

I am sorry to sound harsh here, but I probably will. I do not like all these talks about "New times", "New technologies of deanonymization" and so on. The concept of Blockchain was invented in the late 2000-th, from that time this concept has not acquired something breaking new. What are those "New times" you are speaking of? What the hell is this supposed to mean?

The point of mixing is very, very simple. Suppose I have coins on the address A and want to transfer them to address D, if I create a transaction connecting A and D everybody who knows I own the address A will find out that I own the address D. Then I go to mixer service and it gives me the address B, I transfer the coins from A to B and mixer transfers coins from C to D. Assuming that addresses B and C are not connected in Blockchain I obtained the coins on the address D and nobody knows I am there. That's it, that's the whole concept.

Now you say that it is better if address C has "clean history". But look above, in the context of what I wrote it does not seem so important, don't you think? Moreover, how to measure its purity? You may say that you have some algorithms that check the incoming coins and so on, but all these are your words. We do not control your backend. We do not know what are those algorithms. We do not know the sources of your coins. All we can do here: we can only trust you. Now, don't you think that requiring 5% fee for something that cannot be immediately checked by anybody is something strange? I do.

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Thanks for your detailed answer. I still have a lot of questions and I tried to summarize them below. I am still skeptical, but I am ready to change an opinion about your service based on your further answers, maybe I just do not get the concept properly.
OK, let’s try to change your point of view on Jambler.io

This is the principle our philosophy is based on -  we do not crave for competition with existing mixers, on the contrary, we offer the whole industry a mutually beneficial partnership which will allow to increase the level of bitcoin anonymity and as a result - privacy of cryptocurrency holders.
Could you describe in details how the industry will benefit from mutual partnership through your project?
As I mentioned previously, Jambler.io offers its services to three target audiences: Sellers (Those who want to earn money by investing their BTC), Partner Mixers (Those who want to run their own mixing service) and End Users (Those who want to keep their savings safe and stay anonymous). So, these three groups can benefit from working with us. By the way, the entire Jambler.io website is dedicated to description of benefits from cooperation with the platform.     

I would only add here that our approach involves more parties (investors, partners and end users) in the anonymization procedure, which makes deanonymization more complicated. 

Moreover, existing mixers could easily integrate with Jambler.io and offer their customers optional mixing service (by using checked coins from cryptocurrency stock exchanges).

At the moment we are the first on the market to offer the creation of a turn-key mixer (website, TOR mirror, telegram bot) in addition with an investment opportunity. Moreover, almost everyone can build up his own bitcoin mixer: there is no big need for ad-hoc competences or initial investments. 

That is exactly the point which makes me think some misunderstanding is happening. A lot of questions come to my mind.

To host a mixing service is a complex task: you need to configure a web-server, run a Bitcoin full node, write the code which will interact with the node, finally the last but not the least: you should have bitcoins to operate with. All right, lets suppose I want to create a mixing service via your platform and I have some coins with me. Suppose you have some code templates, but how do I run a service itself? Because for that purpose I need some web-server where the code of "my mixer" will be executed. Do you provide your customers with the servers? Maybe yes, but the last point remains: what about Bitcoin wallets? Who controls the reserve of the mixers created through your platform?

You are absolutely right and I do agree with your description of how to create a BTC mixer. Jambler.io offers a different thing. We went through the whole process you described and frankly speaking it was even more complicated than you described. Seeing the complexity of BTC mixer creation we set ourselves the goal to simplify this process and make it available and affordable for almost everyone.

Now to the point: The mixing takes place in the core of Jambler.io platform, not on partner mixer side. All funds used in anonymization are taken from investors/sellers and only minor part of coins are stored in the core. 

Instead of so called CAPEX model we offer our partners an OPEX one. In other words, they do not need servers and they even do not need funds to mix coins. Platform does all infrastructural work. The partner itself acts as a gateway between the platform and end users.     

Answering you question about Bitcoin wallets: the platform controls all wallets, all transactions and issues guarantee letters.
The partner mixer does not need a reserve, as a reserve is provided by the platform. If it is not enough, we send a request to all our sellers with a proposal for a short-term investment.

So the dilemma here is the following: either you hold the bitcoins of users who created a mixer or not? If the answer is yes, then the mixing service is essentially yours, not user's, right? If the answer is no, then how the created mixer is associated with your service? By the way, who buys the domain names for mixer created through your platform?
We do not require Bitcoins for partner mixer creation. Funds for mixing are taken from investors and at some point are offered by platform to partners’ users (end customers). Still partners should get domain and hosting by themselves. If you have some coins you could act a seller and make a short-term investment or spend your money on promoting your mixer.

These were the technical questions, I appreciate if you elaborate on this, because now this concept of creating a mixing service is very vague. I cannot understand who creates what and who is responsible for what. The second part is more about philosophy behind the scenes.
Probably the only thing I could add here is that the platform takes commission for the abovementioned services for partners.

Suppose you have developed some magic box which spits out a mixing service when you push a button. However, what would be the point of such box? Would it have some sense? Because any mixer is centralized, meaning it has to gain a reputation and it is a long and very hard task. What is the point of creating service with couple of clicks? Who will use them? Who will promote them?
I believe most of these questions have been already covered in my previous comments. I would add here that I agree with you that the success of mixer relays on reputation. Our partners are responsible for all promotional activities and gaining reputation. We are backing our partners with stable infrastructure and necessary amount of funds. 

In your previous answer you state the following:
Our fundamental difference is that we solve the following weak points of 'classic' mixers:
1. a risk of getting your own money back. Moreover, this risk increases with a regular use of one and the same mixer.

This sounds strange. You may not guarantee that your partners will not scam their customers, right? Do you mean that using different services decreases the risk? But this statement is so questionable. So what do you mean here?
We cannot be responsible for our partners, anyone can freely become Jambler.io partner. In case an end user will contact us with a question about the mixing operation performed through our partner service, we will be able to verify the validity of this request by means of a guarantee letter that the platform issues directly to an end user.

If you could suggest ways of dealing with scam among partners, we would be grateful to you and ready to consider any offers. Anyway, in case our partner turns out to be scam, we will disconnect them from our platform.

2. there is no guarantee that customer money is not mixed with cryptocurrency of illicit origin. In other words, a use of classic mixers may lead to that cryptocurrency of questionable provenance will take part in the mixing process and what is more, return of a part of cryptocurrency back to its owner is not ruled out.

You always say something about "classic mixer" as your project is kind of "non-classic mixer" which solves some problems of "classic mixers". But as you said above you are not a mixer at all. Moreover, all send-receive mixers use code system: when the users addresses are marked by the code, hence if the user uses the same code every time he uses a service it guarantees that he will not obtain his own coins back.
We do not have such issues and there is no need to use the code. For each transaction we always have a new inflow of funds from cryptocurrency stock exchanges.

As you know, if the end user regularly uses the mixer you described, 1-2 times a day, then the use of the codes becomes inconvenient.

Plus, Jambler.io is more resistant to modern means of deanonymization. I think you should understand why, if you work in this industry.

Why are you more resistant? What makes you more resistant if you do not even provide mixing services itself? You see, I am completely confused by your answers. You seem to contradict yourself.
We are not a mixing service for an end user. An end user cannot use our service directly, only through a partner.  However, anyone can become an investor and a partner.

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Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.
I disagree with you here. The aim of any mixing is, first of all, to keep the client's anonymity. With the evolution of means of deanonymization, it is necessary to change the means of protection.
What is the point of using a mixer with 1,5-3% commission, if its wallets can be traced with the output addresses and/or change addresses, and the customer can also get coins with such a doubtful history that it would be better not to use mixers at all. New times require new solutions.

I am sorry to sound harsh here, but I probably will. I do not like all these talks about "New times", "New technologies of deanonymization" and so on. The concept of Blockchain was invented in the late 2000-th, from that time this concept has not acquired something breaking new. What are those "New times" you are speaking of? What the hell is this supposed to mean?

We can debate for a long time, have a look at this project https://crystalblockchain.com. And notice, the number of such projects increases.

The point of mixing is very, very simple. Suppose I have coins on the address A and want to transfer them to address D, if I create a transaction connecting A and D everybody who knows I own the address A will find out that I own the address D. Then I go to mixer service and it gives me the address B, I transfer the coins from A to B and mixer transfers coins from C to D. Assuming that addresses B and C are not connected in Blockchain I obtained the coins on the address D and nobody knows I am there. That's it, that's the whole concept.
It sounds good in theory, but in practice there are many problems we have to face. We won’t list everything, but we can cite these two as an example:
• Modern means of deanonymization can find a link between wallets B and C
• The end user does not know the origin of money in wallet C and the trouble is that these funds can be of doubtful origin and can lead to further consequences for the end user.

Now you say that it is better if address C has "clean history". But look above, in the context of what I wrote it does not seem so important, don't you think? Moreover, how to measure its purity? You may say that you have some algorithms that check the incoming coins and so on, but all these are your words. We do not control your backend. We do not know what are those algorithms. We do not know the sources of your coins. All we can do here: we can only trust you. Now, don't you think that requiring 5% fee for something that cannot be immediately checked by anybody is something strange? I do.
From our point of view, the goal of any mixer is not just to replace an address B with an address C, but also to ensure a high level of anonymity, security and do not cause new problems for an end user.

You can test the platform yourself as an investor and see how the input funds from the cryptocurrency stock exchanges are checked. You can join as a partner and check how we process the requests of end users. Partners set their commission on their own. The total commission includes investor commission, platform commission and partner commission. A recommended commission is 5%, but a partner himself has the right to increase or decrease it.

The operation principle of the platform is quite simple and transparent. There are partners and investors whose trust we have already gained and they work with us. Join as an investor and / or as a partner.
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September 19, 2018, 07:47:29 PM
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A paper wallet

Privacy is a form of power. Everyone has unalienable right to keep their personal and financial secrets, to have autonomy and control over their lives. Cryptocurrency became the answer to a long-standing problem with finance and freedom. Obviously, digital currency requires a different approach, particularly when it comes to acquiring and storing it. Bitcoin wallet is the equivalent of a physical wallet for transactions with Bitcoin. It stores a collection of secret keys which let you access the bitcoin address and, accordingly, your funds.

Cryptocurrency wallets can be digital and physical, online or offline. Hardware Bitcoin wallets and paper wallets are physical. They are meant to be used offline, such form of storage is known as cold storage.

A PAPER WALLET is a document which contains a public address that can be used to receive Bitcoins and a private key, which allows you to spend or transfer Bitcoins stored at that address. Paper wallets, due to the their similarity to paper currency, are usually considered best for beginners, and especially for those who have been handling fiat cash and credit cards for most of their lives.

Paper wallets can be created and used on any computer with a standard Web browser and are often printed in a form of QR-codes so that you can quickly scan them and add the keys to a software wallet to make a transaction. The main benefit of a paper wallet is that the keys are not stored digitally anywhere, which makes it completely immune to hacker attacks. Paper wallets put the responsibility of security right in the hands of their owner and the possibility of losing all coins simply by confiding in another party becomes impossible.

However, some precautions when creating a wallet still need to be taken. Obviously, before generating a paper wallet you need to make sure that no one is watching you do it. To rule out the risk of any spyware monitoring your activities, it is recommended to use a clean operating system, such as Ubuntu, running from a USB flash drive or DVD. Furthermore, once the paper wallet is set up, the website code should be able to run offline, which allows you to disconnect from the Internet before actually generating the keys. Finally, use a printer that is not connected to a network.

Cryptocurrency paper wallets offer a useful solution to the problem of storing funds for later use. They are one of the easiest forms of cold storage to start using. However, one should always remember that they are printing valuable private information on a piece of paper.
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