🍁 Create your own Bitcoin Mixer / Become an Investor 💲

[Jay Johanson]

What is the Jambler project?

We are the first platform that allows anyone to create their own business and profit from cryptoanonymization services, you can become both a partner and an investor. Jambler itself does not interact directly with clients. This approach is very similar to a referral program and avoids conflicts of interest between the platform and partners. Our algorithm involves the sale of obviously clean coins from cryptocurrency exchanges to partners using our platform.

In a word, Jambler purchases output transactions from cryptocurrency stock exchanges and/or miners, verifies their quality and resells them to partners who, in turn, interact with end clients. The purpose of our work is to ensure safety for cryptocurrency owners and security for their savings.

Can I trust you with my money?

All Jambler participants, partners, sellers (investors) and end users are protected by the platform against accidental errors or deliberate actions. All incoming transactions are confirmed with letters of guarantee signed with PGP. To check a letter of guarantee, install a PGP client (for example, PGP4Win), import a public key of Jambler from the website to the installed client and verify a digital signature.

How can I create my own business?

It is very simple! You do not have to implement mixer algorithms by yourself or seek for finance to form operating assets, we did that for you.

• Register on the Jambler website as a partner, specify a BTC wallet for profit receipt and your mixer commission, configure an automated withdrawal of funds and enter a project name. The platform will generate BTC addresses, issue letters of guarantee on your behalf, control monetary flows and transfer profits to you.
• Develop website design of your own mixer or use a template which we have prepared for you. In your personal account you can find HTML templates for Tor and Clearnet mixer version, PHP gateway to connect to our system. Download and upload them to your hosting.
• Your mixer is ready for operation, all that is left for you to do is to attract clients. You will get interest income from every transaction. You will get Jabber or Telegram notifications of new requests and transaction execution via your mixer from the platform.

Why is it profitable for me to use Jambler for investment?

Firstly, we have a stable demand for transactions from stock exchanges for which we are ready to pay a bounty. Jambler constantly purchases output transactions from Bitcoin stock exchanges and provides a bonus of 1% for that. An average time of return on investment is 12 hours. Secondly, our business model is transparent. It demonstrates clearly from which funds Jambler pays commission fees to sellers/investors.

To eliminate risks of getting a cryptocurrency of questionable origin, all investor Bitcoins are checked by the platform scoring system, including blockchain analysis. Transactions which have passed the check, get into the system and transaction which have failed the check, are returned to a customer from the same wallet. This stage makes it possible to terminate attempts of unfair investors to use an investment admittance as a mixer in order to clear their money and gain profit at the same time. Jambler does not capitalize on return of cryptocoins which haven’t passed the scoring check, it is a necessary security measure.

What are stock exchanges supported?

Poloniex, Binance, Korbit, Bitfinex, Bitstamp, Pbit, GDAX, Okcoin, Kraken, Gemini, BTCC, CEX.IO, itBit, Simex, Lakebtc, Exmo, Bitbay, Livecoin.

We are ready to be of service to you 24h a day during the entire period of cooperation. Our motto is anonymity, speed and reliability. We value our reputation and your trust. Stay in touch and check for updates. Create your profitable Bitcoin mixer and start writing your very own success story with Jambler

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[Jay Johanson]

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[ChipMixer]

Platform turns a new page in cryptocurrency anonymization by inviting almost everyone to create their own mixer and start earning on such services from scratch.

If you want everyone to run their own mixer then check JoinMarket.

[kicktracer011]

I really like your process.
By making this more mainstream and rewarding people for investing their bitcoin more bitcoin will enter the system making the system more secure.

I liked it so much I wrote a small review about it.
https://tokenclaimer.blogspot.com/2018/08/how-to-make-your-own-bitcoin-tumbler.html

[mocacinno]

why is your mixer using cloudflare's ssl? Do you realise cloudflare will be able to decrypt all data between your customers and yourself? I'd encourage you to buy your own SSL certificates and move away from cloudflare asap if you want to be taken seriously.

Even letsencrypt certificates would be a hell of a lot better than cloudflare's on such a privacy-centric service (don't get me wrong: cloudflare is great if you're not a service that would require absolute privacy... I've been using cloudflare on my sites for a long time, but then again: i don't even allow useraccounts to be created on my sites...)

[Jay Johanson]

why is your mixer using cloudflare's ssl? Do you realise cloudflare will be able to decrypt all data between your customers and yourself? I'd encourage you to buy your own SSL certificates and move away from cloudflare asap if you want to be taken seriously.

Even letsencrypt certificates would be a hell of a lot better than cloudflare's on such a privacy-centric service (don't get me wrong: cloudflare is great if you're not a service that would require absolute privacy... I've been using cloudflare on my sites for a long time, but then again: i don't even allow useraccounts to be created on my sites...)

Thank you for pointing this bug out. This is a very acute thing. We will definitely resolve the issue and will replace ssl certificates to eliminate this weak point of using cloudflare’s ssl.    

[Jay Johanson]

I really like your process.
By making this more mainstream and rewarding people for investing their bitcoin more bitcoin will enter the system making the system more secure.

I liked it so much I wrote a small review about it.
https://tokenclaimer.blogspot.com/2018/08/how-to-make-your-own-bitcoin-tumbler.html

Thank you for the support and your involvement in promoting our mixing platform. we appreciate that.

[Aveatrex]

I like the concept espeically the partnership program and the selling program.Just to clarify something,for sellers to earn profit,there must be other people using the mixer frequently right?
Edit:I sent you an important PM,please answer.

[Thekool1s]

I like the concept espeically the partnership program and the selling program.Just to clarify something,for sellers to earn profit,there must be other people using the mixer frequently right?
Edit:I sent you an important PM,please answer.

Exactly! How else do you expect them to pay up? They do "business" you make 'Profit' it's that simple. It's not rocket science. What I am more interested in is how will their "Bitcoin Rating" system work as the video said if the "Bitcoin" rating is low they will charge a small fee and send back the Bitcoins to the Original owner, This could be exploited IMO making them a small profit on each exchange they deny.

[Jay Johanson]

Dear users of [banned mixer], we identified an issue with verification bot. Now it is fixed. We kindly ask all users whose verification failed to go through the verification process again. If it is succeeded, you will receive notification from bot or you will see "verified" marked in green on your account. We apologise for any inconveniences and thank you for your understanding.

[Jay Johanson]

I like the concept espeically the partnership program and the selling program.Just to clarify something,for sellers to earn profit,there must be other people using the mixer frequently right?
Edit:I sent you an important PM,please answer.

Yes, that's right. We use an affiliate model and, therefore, the amount of attracted money of the sellers directly depends on the amount of requests of the end customers that we receive through partners.
For your convenience, we created a demand indicator for sellers (a battery). Surely you have seen  it.
If the battery is full, then we do not need money, and if it is low, then we need money and we are ready to turn it around and return it to you with a profit. Besides, you can be notified via jabber / telegram, so that you won’t miss a good offer. In order to do so, you should create a request in a personal account of a seller (you do not need to send money there). Then, the system will automatically notify you when we need an investment. 
Please note that if you sell us a transaction when the battery is full, your money can return to you in a few days, as a turnaround time is 24 hours+.
We are not a pyramid and we do not need your money for no reason. We attract money only on client requests (or with a small margin). Therefore, be careful and watch the indicator. If you are a programmer, then we have a REST API for this.
In general, this is a great form of investment, as you can quickly turn your money around and earn. Unlike HYPE and pyramids, the source of your profit is extremely clear. We just resell your transactions to a large number of customers.

[Jay Johanson]

I like the concept espeically the partnership program and the selling program.Just to clarify something,for sellers to earn profit,there must be other people using the mixer frequently right?
Edit:I sent you an important PM,please answer.

Exactly! How else do you expect them to pay up? They do "business" you make 'Profit' it's that simple. It's not rocket science. What I am more interested in is how will their "Bitcoin Rating" system work as the video said if the "Bitcoin" rating is low they will charge a small fee and send back the Bitcoins to the Original owner, This could be exploited IMO making them a small profit on each exchange they deny.

Income from transactions that have failed scoring is bad business logic. When withdrawing money from a stock exchange, a seller pays a commission for withdrawal, plus we charge a very small commission that simply covers our costs.
To earn a steady income from this, you need to establish a large transaction flow and that is impossible without a loyal audience.
However, one cannot be loyal if their input transactions are constantly returned (they failed scoring). You should admit that it is much more profitable for us to buy a transaction and resell it to end users, and therefore everyone will be satisfied and we will earn more.
On the other hand, we cannot remove a scoring procedure because then there will be a risk of getting cryptocurrency of questionable origin into the system. In this case, the whole idea will become meaningless. We will descend to the level of ordinary mixers, which may also mix "dark coins" with other coins even having no info on that.
A scoring procedure and fees for its failure are desperate measures. It is not a good way to make money.

[Thekool1s]

I like the concept espeically the partnership program and the selling program.Just to clarify something,for sellers to earn profit,there must be other people using the mixer frequently right?
Edit:I sent you an important PM,please answer.

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Hmm, How will this 'rating system' work? How will the system identify "Dark coins" from the legit ones? Will each transaction be manually checked? I am only interested in how is the system identifying / rating these coins.

[Jay Johanson]

I like the concept espeically the partnership program and the selling program.Just to clarify something,for sellers to earn profit,there must be other people using the mixer frequently right?
Edit:I sent you an important PM,please answer.

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Hmm, How will this 'rating system' work? How will the system identify "Dark coins" from the legit ones? Will each transaction be manually checked? I am only interested in how is the system identifying / rating these coins.

Thank you for your question. Although we do not disclose the algorithms of the scoring system, there is a certain set of factors that automatically identifies transactions, and associates them with stock exchanges. In fact, deanonymization techniques have come a long way  and you can find out information about the ownership of many addresses using such services as https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Poloniex.com?from_address=1E2J2DAFGToqmTxK5H8fG6V3Tp3xqSiAm4  Our identification algorithm is somewhat different. We provide the above-mentioned example to give you a better understanding of this process.

[audaciousbeing]

Dear users of [banned mixer], we identified an issue with verification bot. Now it is fixed. We kindly ask all users whose verification failed to go through the verification process again. If it is succeeded, you will receive notification from bot or you will see "verified" marked in green on your account. We apologise for any inconveniences and thank you for your understanding.

I don't understand, what form of verification is being discussed here?

For a mixer site that wants total anonymity, I don't think there should be any verification and even the solving of captcha that could serve as some level of verification against bot should not be there since its about paying for services and not a "free launch" that we tend to see in most faucets sites.

[Jay Johanson]

Dear users of [banned mixer], we identified an issue with verification bot. Now it is fixed. We kindly ask all users whose verification failed to go through the verification process again. If it is succeeded, you will receive notification from bot or you will see "verified" marked in green on your account. We apologise for any inconveniences and thank you for your understanding.

I don't understand, what form of verification is being discussed here?

For a mixer site that wants total anonymity, I don't think there should be any verification and even the solving of captcha that could serve as some level of verification against bot should not be there since its about paying for services and not a "free launch" that we tend to see in most faucets sites.

The project is of interest to three categories of persons: end users, partners and investors. End users do not need verification. Investors need verification in order to receive information on a status of the flow of invested funds and notifications of new requests by the platform for purchase of output transactions. Partners need verification in order to get notifications of customer requests. In fact, you can undergo verification anonymously using Tor or Jabber.

[felicita]

just for understanding 
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




kind regards

[Aveatrex]

just for understanding 
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




kind regards

Pretty sure you mean Bonus:0.050197.The website says the average time of return on investment is 12 hours,can be less can more depends on demand.So you should count maximum 24 hours?
I would just like to ask if someone has tried becoming a seller,how everything went? I'm kinda intersted in this but some feedback and experience statements would be highly appreciated

[alxalex]

dont understand....how do i register [banned mixer]....it says you use your jabber or telegram account....i don't have a jabber account....i don't have a telegram account....so whats the case....am i obliged to create an account with these services in order to get access to jambler???

[Jay Johanson]

Bitcoin, becoming widely used and widely trusted as a valid currency, attempts to fill the role of digital ‘cash’. Having numerous benefits and advantages, cryptocurrency differs greatly from other methods of online transactions in anonymity and decentralization. The most fundamental benefits of using Bitcoin are the following: irreversible transactions, quick payments, no involvement of any third party, reduced transaction fees, ease of use, no paperwork and anonymity. However, while a certain degree of anonymity of Bitcoin is sufficient for most users or purposes, privacy is not guaranteed. The only privacy that exists in Bitcoin comes from pseudonymous addresses, which are vulnerable and easily compromised through various analysis methods, such as volume analysis, cluster analysis and taint analysis. Being acquainted with the first two methods, let us proceed to analyze the last one.

In the Bitcoin system, taint is a correlation between addresses. The correlation comes from the past transactions (received or spent). Taint analysis determines the closeness between multiple Bitcoin addresses. Any quantifiable measure of taint between two addresses creates a link between the two and may be used to discover previously unknown addresses in a payment scheme. Taint Analysis returns a list of addresses related to the queried address. Examining taint provides insight into efficacy of a Bitcoin mixing service. A successful mixing service should reduce the taint between the originating address and the receiving address to zero.

Hiding your identity in our digital world is quite tricky, as people always leave behind several digital footprints. Bitcoin by design is not anonymous, but if used wisely, it can give you more than enough privacy. There are various workaround solutions to make Bitcoin anonymous, including the use of Bitcoin mixing, a Tor browser, a logless VPN and a new address for every transaction. Still the technology has a long way to go, as it is fairly new and is constantly improving.

[Lake20]

Am novice to the subject of this thread, can you please explain what Bitcoin mixer is all about?

[Thekool1s]

Am novice to the subject of this thread, can you please explain what Bitcoin mixer is all about?

if you weren't busy spamming the OP literally gave a gist of their service and bitcoin mixing. But I guess you just want to hit that Jr.member Rank as soon as you can? 

You can read more about Bitcoin Mixers here : https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mixing_service

[felicita]

just for understanding 
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




kind regards

Pretty sure you mean Bonus:0.050197.The website says the average time of return on investment is 12 hours,can be less can more depends on demand.So you should count maximum 24 hours?
I would just like to ask if someone has tried becoming a seller,how everything went? I'm kinda intersted in this but some feedback and experience statements would be highly appreciated

The same I wanted to find out to take no risk;)
iam still no seller be course for me the rates are a bit to good o0
In only 12-24 hours we getting interest ? Sounds to good XD


kind regards

[Jay Johanson]

dont understand....how do i register [banned mixer]....it says you use your jabber or telegram account....i don't have a jabber account....i don't have a telegram account....so whats the case....am i obliged to create an account with these services in order to get access to jambler???

Yes, it’s essential to register on [banned mixer] using telegram or jabber account due to security measures.

[Jay Johanson]

just for understanding 
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




kind regards

If you put into seller account 0.05 BTC, you would get bonus 0.0505 BTC. However, as the platform purchases transactions from stock exchanges that usually charge withdrawal fee (0.0005 BTC), you would get your money back without profit. So please consider withdrawal fees.

We (the [banned mixer] team) are at the very beginning of the road. At the moment the demand for output transactions from stock exchanges is low. The reason for this is that the platform currently has enough funds to provide anonymization service for all incoming requests. Therefore, at the moment turnaround time of your investment + 1% can last more than a week. With a significant increase in requests, turnaround time of investments will be reduced to 12 hours. Please watch the indicator on https://[banned mixer]/become-seller.php

[felicita]

just for understanding 
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




kind regards

If you put into seller account 0.05 BTC, you would get bonus 0.0505 BTC. However, as the platform purchases transactions from stock exchanges that usually charge withdrawal fee (0.0005 BTC), you would get your money back without profit. So please consider withdrawal fees.

We (the [banned mixer] team) are at the very beginning of the road. At the moment the demand for output transactions from stock exchanges is low. The reason for this is that the platform currently has enough funds to provide anonymization service for all incoming requests. Therefore, at the moment turnaround time of your investment + 1% can last more than a week. With a significant increase in requests, turnaround time of investments will be reduced to 12 hours. Please watch the indicator on https://[banned mixer]/become-seller.php

Thanks for this bit late answered ....first i was thinking you are ignoring me and other's Questions about the seller account.
But now i got my Informations thanks ..



kind regards

[Jay Johanson]

just for understanding 
 when I put into my seller account 0.05BTC i would get Bonus: 0.50197  BTC  after what timeframe ?




kind regards

If you put into seller account 0.05 BTC, you would get bonus 0.0505 BTC. However, as the platform purchases transactions from stock exchanges that usually charge withdrawal fee (0.0005 BTC), you would get your money back without profit. So please consider withdrawal fees.

We (the [banned mixer] team) are at the very beginning of the road. At the moment the demand for output transactions from stock exchanges is low. The reason for this is that the platform currently has enough funds to provide anonymization service for all incoming requests. Therefore, at the moment turnaround time of your investment + 1% can last more than a week. With a significant increase in requests, turnaround time of investments will be reduced to 12 hours. Please watch the indicator on https://[banned mixer]/become-seller.php

Thanks for this bit late answered ....first i was thinking you are ignoring me and other's Questions about the seller account.
But now i got my Informations thanks ..



kind regards

Please excuse me for the belated reply to your question. I was a little bit overloaded with other activities and frankly speaking didn't expect to many inquiries here that's why I rarely checked this thread for updates.

[BitWhisk.io]

As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.

But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level. Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?

A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture

These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same). The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE). They have the same PGP open key! They have the same design. They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).

4) [banned mixer]

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?

What are your partners? If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?

According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources? Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

[Aveatrex]

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Honestly,I thought just like you did.Using cloudflare for an anonymity service is very unprofessional,we all know that cloudflare is a data-centric service.I'm not saying that the concept itself is bad,yet it needs a lot of improvement.Concerning the partners,we clearly see lack of transparency,better wait for OP explanations in this matter.

[Jay Johanson]

As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.

But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level. Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?

A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture

These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same). The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE). They have the same PGP open key! They have the same design. They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).

4) [banned mixer]

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?

What are your partners? If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?

According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources? Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

First of all, on behalf of the [banned mixer] team I would like to thank you for such a comprehensive comment. I will try to answer all the questions you raise in the post. For your convenience, I will write my answers after a specific question below.

As an admin of mixing service I thought woow, what a great project, maybe I can integrate my own mixer into community.

We are glad that you paid attention to [banned mixer]. Indeed, you could integrate your own mixer with our platform and offer your target audience as an option a higher quality service of cryptocurrency anonymization. This is the principle our philosophy is based on -  we do not crave for competition with existing mixers, on the contrary, we offer the whole industry a mutually beneficial partnership which will allow to increase the level of bitcoin anonymity and as a result - privacy of cryptocurrency holders.

But then I started to investigate and my conclusions are very harsh. First of all, your first comments in this thread are very vague. You try to sound like a pro, you claim that your service has unique features that bring the whole mixing industry at a new level.

We do not pretend to sound like a professional or like a greenhorn. We are who we are. At the moment we are the first on the market to offer the creation of a turn-key mixer (website, TOR mirror, telegram bot) in addition with an investment opportunity. Moreover, almost everyone can build up his own bitcoin mixer: there is no big need for ad-hoc competences or initial investments. 

Then mocacinno asks why do you use Clouflare? And you answer like it is the first time you hear that using Cloudflare you share traffic with a third party. How come?

This once again proves that [banned mixer] is a team of ordinary people;) We know the architecture of cloudflare, and as it was mentioned above, we will refuse to use it in the nearest future. We are grateful to users for their comments which help us to improve the platform.

A little lie causes a big mistrust. According to your website you have 4 partners.

1) Mixtum
2) Go-mixer.space
3) Mixture

It is worth mentioning that this is non-exhaustive list of partners published on https://[banned mixer]/mix-coins.php . We publish the information only about our partners who asked us to do it.

These three projects look the same (Mixtum and Go-mixer.space are actually the same).

Everything is simple: they look the same because they are built on the typical partner template which can be downloaded at the account page or on github.   

The service commission is 5% (it is HUGE).

The commission fee is set by the partner in the personal account. 5% is the default value. Nevertheless, our experience shows that end users are ready to pay a higher percentage for quality service and advanced anonymization of their funds.

They have the same PGP open key!

Indeed, it is the [banned mixer] key. The platform generates letters of guarantee for the clients of the partner mixers, and they are all signed up with our PGP key.
There are two reasons for that:
1. We received a simple integration of partners.
2. In case the partner does not conduct business honestly, it can be easily detected, because we are the only to have the private key, not our partners. We are in charge of transactions signed up with our PGP key

They have the same design.

This can be explained by the fact that all the above-mentioned partner mixers use [banned mixer] partner mixer template, which is available for downloading in your personal account. For the moment, we offer only one template for a partner mixer. Our partners can customize the layout of their website as they like or use the API and integrate with the platform.

They do not have a reputation (ANN threads just started, no view there, nobody knows these projects).

All these partner mixers were built up quite recently, and the platform [banned mixer] itself is brand-new. We do not promote our partners; it is their area of responsibility.   

4) [banned mixer]

This is quite obscure project started at December 2016 and gone out of service around September, 2017. Now it comes back, should we trust it?

It is up to you to decide: trust or not. We have never heard of any cases that [banned mixer] deceived someone or did not pay the money. If you know opposite examples, we will be grateful for the provision of such information. We (the [banned mixer] team) intend to react swiftly to fraudulent actions on the part of partner mixers and take drastic measures to disconnect such partners from the platform.

What are your partners?

We do not choose partners, we only provide the infrastructure for building up a mixer. To join our partner network you can register on our website, launch a partner mixer using our template, or make your own design. If you want to be listed among our partners on our website, please, reach out to our support team at support@[banned mixer]. In case we receive complaints, we will remove you from the list and disconnect from the platform. We do not rate our partners, but, as I already wrote, we are particular about our reputation.

If you want to be an aggregator you should choose partners carefully? Looks like all your "partners" are created by the same Jambler team. But then, what is the difference between you and other mixers? Huge commissions? Or the way of promoting your project?

We are neither an aggregator nor a ‘classic’ mixer. Let me say that we, perhaps, do not fit into any of the existing established definitions of the industry - we bring a new term into use - a 'platform' for bitcoin anonymization.
Our fundamental difference is that we solve the following weak points of 'classic' mixers:
1. a risk of getting your own money back. Moreover, this risk increases with a regular use of one and the same mixer.
2. there is no guarantee that customer money is not mixed with cryptocurrency of illicit origin. In other words, a use of classic mixers may lead to that cryptocurrency of questionable provenance will take part in the mixing process and what is more, return of a part of cryptocurrency back to its owner is not ruled out.

Plus, [banned mixer] is more resistant to modern means of deanonymization. I think you should understand why, if you work in this industry.

According to your comments the main Jambler advantage is using coins from exchanges and miners. I am very sceptical about it. How can we check that you tell the truth and the coins come from the claimed sources? 

It's pretty easy to check. Enter your personal account on the [banned mixer] website, and on the Seller tab send your bitcoins taken not from the stock exchange. In this case the money will not pass scoring and will return to you (there will be a direct link in the blockchain between your input address, our transit address and your output address). You will receive a corresponding notification in the messenger. After that you may try to send money, for example, from binance, and they will successfully pass scoring. Everyone can test and verify the scoring system, we do not make this a secret.
Of course, our algorithm cannot guarantee absolute accuracy, but it is high enough to avoid money of questionable origin entering the system. Honest investors always undergo scoring

Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

I disagree with you here. The aim of any mixing is, first of all, to keep the client's anonymity. With the evolution of means of deanonymization, it is necessary to change the means of protection.
What is the point of using a mixer with 1,5-3% commission, if its wallets can be traced with the output addresses and/or change addresses, and the customer can also get coins with such a doubtful history that it would be better not to use mixers at all. New times require new solutions.

We will be glad to see you among our partners!

P.S. [banned mixer] has just started, and so we are now detecting and eliminating bugs and adjusting the platform  to the tasks of customers. Thank you for your understanding.

[BitWhisk.io]

Thanks for your detailed answer. I still have a lot of questions and I tried to summarize them below. I am still skeptical, but I am ready to change an opinion about your service based on your further answers, maybe I just do not get the concept properly.

This is the principle our philosophy is based on -  we do not crave for competition with existing mixers, on the contrary, we offer the whole industry a mutually beneficial partnership which will allow to increase the level of bitcoin anonymity and as a result - privacy of cryptocurrency holders.

Could you describe in details how the industry will benefit from mutual partnership through your project?

At the moment we are the first on the market to offer the creation of a turn-key mixer (website, TOR mirror, telegram bot) in addition with an investment opportunity. Moreover, almost everyone can build up his own bitcoin mixer: there is no big need for ad-hoc competences or initial investments. 

That is exactly the point which makes me think some misunderstanding is happening. A lot of questions come to my mind.

To host a mixing service is a complex task: you need to configure a web-server, run a Bitcoin full node, write the code which will interact with the node, finally the last but not the least: you should have bitcoins to operate with. All right, lets suppose I want to create a mixing service via your platform and I have some coins with me. Suppose you have some code templates, but how do I run a service itself? Because for that purpose I need some web-server where the code of "my mixer" will be executed. Do you provide your customers with the servers? Maybe yes, but the last point remains: what about Bitcoin wallets? Who controls the reserve of the mixers created through your platform?

So the dilemma here is the following: either you hold the bitcoins of users who created a mixer or not? If the answer is yes, then the mixing service is essentially yours, not user's, right? If the answer is no, then how the created mixer is associated with your service? By the way, who buys the domain names for mixer created through your platform?

These were the technical questions, I appreciate if you elaborate on this, because now this concept of creating a mixing service is very vague. I cannot understand who creates what and who is responsible for what. The second part is more about philosophy behind the scenes.

Suppose you have developed some magic box which spits out a mixing service when you push a button. However, what would be the point of such box? Would it have some sense? Because any mixer is centralized, meaning it has to gain a reputation and it is a long and very hard task. What is the point of creating service with couple of clicks? Who will use them? Who will promote them?

In your previous answer you state the following:

Our fundamental difference is that we solve the following weak points of 'classic' mixers:
1. a risk of getting your own money back. Moreover, this risk increases with a regular use of one and the same mixer.

This sounds strange. You may not guarantee that your partners will not scam their customers, right? Do you mean that using different services decreases the risk? But this statement is so questionable. So what do you mean here?

2. there is no guarantee that customer money is not mixed with cryptocurrency of illicit origin. In other words, a use of classic mixers may lead to that cryptocurrency of questionable provenance will take part in the mixing process and what is more, return of a part of cryptocurrency back to its owner is not ruled out.

You always say something about "classic mixer" as your project is kind of "non-classic mixer" which solves some problems of "classic mixers". But as you said above you are not a mixer at all. Moreover, all send-receive mixers use code system: when the users addresses are marked by the code, hence if the user uses the same code every time he uses a service it guarantees that he will not obtain his own coins back.

Plus, [banned mixer] is more resistant to modern means of deanonymization. I think you should understand why, if you work in this industry.

Why are you more resistant? What makes you more resistant if you do not even provide mixing services itself? You see, I am completely confused by your answers. You seem to contradict yourself.

Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

I disagree with you here. The aim of any mixing is, first of all, to keep the client's anonymity. With the evolution of means of deanonymization, it is necessary to change the means of protection.
What is the point of using a mixer with 1,5-3% commission, if its wallets can be traced with the output addresses and/or change addresses, and the customer can also get coins with such a doubtful history that it would be better not to use mixers at all. New times require new solutions.

I am sorry to sound harsh here, but I probably will. I do not like all these talks about "New times", "New technologies of deanonymization" and so on. The concept of Blockchain was invented in the late 2000-th, from that time this concept has not acquired something breaking new. What are those "New times" you are speaking of? What the hell is this supposed to mean?

The point of mixing is very, very simple. Suppose I have coins on the address A and want to transfer them to address D, if I create a transaction connecting A and D everybody who knows I own the address A will find out that I own the address D. Then I go to mixer service and it gives me the address B, I transfer the coins from A to B and mixer transfers coins from C to D. Assuming that addresses B and C are not connected in Blockchain I obtained the coins on the address D and nobody knows I am there. That's it, that's the whole concept.

Now you say that it is better if address C has "clean history". But look above, in the context of what I wrote it does not seem so important, don't you think? Moreover, how to measure its purity? You may say that you have some algorithms that check the incoming coins and so on, but all these are your words. We do not control your backend. We do not know what are those algorithms. We do not know the sources of your coins. All we can do here: we can only trust you. Now, don't you think that requiring 5% fee for something that cannot be immediately checked by anybody is something strange? I do.

[Jay Johanson]

Thanks for your detailed answer. I still have a lot of questions and I tried to summarize them below. I am still skeptical, but I am ready to change an opinion about your service based on your further answers, maybe I just do not get the concept properly.

OK, let’s try to change your point of view on [banned mixer]

This is the principle our philosophy is based on -  we do not crave for competition with existing mixers, on the contrary, we offer the whole industry a mutually beneficial partnership which will allow to increase the level of bitcoin anonymity and as a result - privacy of cryptocurrency holders.

Could you describe in details how the industry will benefit from mutual partnership through your project?

As I mentioned previously, [banned mixer] offers its services to three target audiences: Sellers (Those who want to earn money by investing their BTC), Partner Mixers (Those who want to run their own mixing service) and End Users (Those who want to keep their savings safe and stay anonymous). So, these three groups can benefit from working with us. By the way, the entire [banned mixer] website is dedicated to description of benefits from cooperation with the platform.     

I would only add here that our approach involves more parties (investors, partners and end users) in the anonymization procedure, which makes deanonymization more complicated. 

Moreover, existing mixers could easily integrate with [banned mixer] and offer their customers optional mixing service (by using checked coins from cryptocurrency stock exchanges).

At the moment we are the first on the market to offer the creation of a turn-key mixer (website, TOR mirror, telegram bot) in addition with an investment opportunity. Moreover, almost everyone can build up his own bitcoin mixer: there is no big need for ad-hoc competences or initial investments. 

That is exactly the point which makes me think some misunderstanding is happening. A lot of questions come to my mind.

To host a mixing service is a complex task: you need to configure a web-server, run a Bitcoin full node, write the code which will interact with the node, finally the last but not the least: you should have bitcoins to operate with. All right, lets suppose I want to create a mixing service via your platform and I have some coins with me. Suppose you have some code templates, but how do I run a service itself? Because for that purpose I need some web-server where the code of "my mixer" will be executed. Do you provide your customers with the servers? Maybe yes, but the last point remains: what about Bitcoin wallets? Who controls the reserve of the mixers created through your platform?

You are absolutely right and I do agree with your description of how to create a BTC mixer. [banned mixer] offers a different thing. We went through the whole process you described and frankly speaking it was even more complicated than you described. Seeing the complexity of BTC mixer creation we set ourselves the goal to simplify this process and make it available and affordable for almost everyone.

Now to the point: The mixing takes place in the core of [banned mixer] platform, not on partner mixer side. All funds used in anonymization are taken from investors/sellers and only minor part of coins are stored in the core. 

Instead of so called CAPEX model we offer our partners an OPEX one. In other words, they do not need servers and they even do not need funds to mix coins. Platform does all infrastructural work. The partner itself acts as a gateway between the platform and end users.     

Answering you question about Bitcoin wallets: the platform controls all wallets, all transactions and issues guarantee letters.
The partner mixer does not need a reserve, as a reserve is provided by the platform. If it is not enough, we send a request to all our sellers with a proposal for a short-term investment.

So the dilemma here is the following: either you hold the bitcoins of users who created a mixer or not? If the answer is yes, then the mixing service is essentially yours, not user's, right? If the answer is no, then how the created mixer is associated with your service? By the way, who buys the domain names for mixer created through your platform?

We do not require Bitcoins for partner mixer creation. Funds for mixing are taken from investors and at some point are offered by platform to partners’ users (end customers). Still partners should get domain and hosting by themselves. If you have some coins you could act a seller and make a short-term investment or spend your money on promoting your mixer.

These were the technical questions, I appreciate if you elaborate on this, because now this concept of creating a mixing service is very vague. I cannot understand who creates what and who is responsible for what. The second part is more about philosophy behind the scenes.

Probably the only thing I could add here is that the platform takes commission for the abovementioned services for partners.

Suppose you have developed some magic box which spits out a mixing service when you push a button. However, what would be the point of such box? Would it have some sense? Because any mixer is centralized, meaning it has to gain a reputation and it is a long and very hard task. What is the point of creating service with couple of clicks? Who will use them? Who will promote them?

I believe most of these questions have been already covered in my previous comments. I would add here that I agree with you that the success of mixer relays on reputation. Our partners are responsible for all promotional activities and gaining reputation. We are backing our partners with stable infrastructure and necessary amount of funds. 

In your previous answer you state the following:

Our fundamental difference is that we solve the following weak points of 'classic' mixers:
1. a risk of getting your own money back. Moreover, this risk increases with a regular use of one and the same mixer.

This sounds strange. You may not guarantee that your partners will not scam their customers, right? Do you mean that using different services decreases the risk? But this statement is so questionable. So what do you mean here?

We cannot be responsible for our partners, anyone can freely become [banned mixer] partner. In case an end user will contact us with a question about the mixing operation performed through our partner service, we will be able to verify the validity of this request by means of a guarantee letter that the platform issues directly to an end user.

If you could suggest ways of dealing with scam among partners, we would be grateful to you and ready to consider any offers. Anyway, in case our partner turns out to be scam, we will disconnect them from our platform.

2. there is no guarantee that customer money is not mixed with cryptocurrency of illicit origin. In other words, a use of classic mixers may lead to that cryptocurrency of questionable provenance will take part in the mixing process and what is more, return of a part of cryptocurrency back to its owner is not ruled out.

You always say something about "classic mixer" as your project is kind of "non-classic mixer" which solves some problems of "classic mixers". But as you said above you are not a mixer at all. Moreover, all send-receive mixers use code system: when the users addresses are marked by the code, hence if the user uses the same code every time he uses a service it guarantees that he will not obtain his own coins back.

We do not have such issues and there is no need to use the code. For each transaction we always have a new inflow of funds from cryptocurrency stock exchanges.

As you know, if the end user regularly uses the mixer you described, 1-2 times a day, then the use of the codes becomes inconvenient.

Plus, [banned mixer] is more resistant to modern means of deanonymization. I think you should understand why, if you work in this industry.

Why are you more resistant? What makes you more resistant if you do not even provide mixing services itself? You see, I am completely confused by your answers. You seem to contradict yourself.

We are not a mixing service for an end user. An end user cannot use our service directly, only through a partner.  However, anyone can become an investor and a partner.

Moreover, I personally do not see much sense in using such "clean" sources. The aim of mixing is not to give users "clean" coins, but to break transaction history, making users funds untraceable for a third party.

I disagree with you here. The aim of any mixing is, first of all, to keep the client's anonymity. With the evolution of means of deanonymization, it is necessary to change the means of protection.
What is the point of using a mixer with 1,5-3% commission, if its wallets can be traced with the output addresses and/or change addresses, and the customer can also get coins with such a doubtful history that it would be better not to use mixers at all. New times require new solutions.

I am sorry to sound harsh here, but I probably will. I do not like all these talks about "New times", "New technologies of deanonymization" and so on. The concept of Blockchain was invented in the late 2000-th, from that time this concept has not acquired something breaking new. What are those "New times" you are speaking of? What the hell is this supposed to mean?

We can debate for a long time, have a look at this project https://crystalblockchain.com. And notice, the number of such projects increases.

The point of mixing is very, very simple. Suppose I have coins on the address A and want to transfer them to address D, if I create a transaction connecting A and D everybody who knows I own the address A will find out that I own the address D. Then I go to mixer service and it gives me the address B, I transfer the coins from A to B and mixer transfers coins from C to D. Assuming that addresses B and C are not connected in Blockchain I obtained the coins on the address D and nobody knows I am there. That's it, that's the whole concept.

It sounds good in theory, but in practice there are many problems we have to face. We won’t list everything, but we can cite these two as an example:
• Modern means of deanonymization can find a link between wallets B and C
• The end user does not know the origin of money in wallet C and the trouble is that these funds can be of doubtful origin and can lead to further consequences for the end user.

Now you say that it is better if address C has "clean history". But look above, in the context of what I wrote it does not seem so important, don't you think? Moreover, how to measure its purity? You may say that you have some algorithms that check the incoming coins and so on, but all these are your words. We do not control your backend. We do not know what are those algorithms. We do not know the sources of your coins. All we can do here: we can only trust you. Now, don't you think that requiring 5% fee for something that cannot be immediately checked by anybody is something strange? I do.

From our point of view, the goal of any mixer is not just to replace an address B with an address C, but also to ensure a high level of anonymity, security and do not cause new problems for an end user.

You can test the platform yourself as an investor and see how the input funds from the cryptocurrency stock exchanges are checked. You can join as a partner and check how we process the requests of end users. Partners set their commission on their own. The total commission includes investor commission, platform commission and partner commission. A recommended commission is 5%, but a partner himself has the right to increase or decrease it.

The operation principle of the platform is quite simple and transparent. There are partners and investors whose trust we have already gained and they work with us. Join as an investor and / or as a partner.

[Jay Johanson]

A paper wallet

Privacy is a form of power. Everyone has unalienable right to keep their personal and financial secrets, to have autonomy and control over their lives. Cryptocurrency became the answer to a long-standing problem with finance and freedom. Obviously, digital currency requires a different approach, particularly when it comes to acquiring and storing it. Bitcoin wallet is the equivalent of a physical wallet for transactions with Bitcoin. It stores a collection of secret keys which let you access the bitcoin address and, accordingly, your funds.

Cryptocurrency wallets can be digital and physical, online or offline. Hardware Bitcoin wallets and paper wallets are physical. They are meant to be used offline, such form of storage is known as cold storage.

A PAPER WALLET is a document which contains a public address that can be used to receive Bitcoins and a private key, which allows you to spend or transfer Bitcoins stored at that address. Paper wallets, due to the their similarity to paper currency, are usually considered best for beginners, and especially for those who have been handling fiat cash and credit cards for most of their lives.

Paper wallets can be created and used on any computer with a standard Web browser and are often printed in a form of QR-codes so that you can quickly scan them and add the keys to a software wallet to make a transaction. The main benefit of a paper wallet is that the keys are not stored digitally anywhere, which makes it completely immune to hacker attacks. Paper wallets put the responsibility of security right in the hands of their owner and the possibility of losing all coins simply by confiding in another party becomes impossible.

However, some precautions when creating a wallet still need to be taken. Obviously, before generating a paper wallet you need to make sure that no one is watching you do it. To rule out the risk of any spyware monitoring your activities, it is recommended to use a clean operating system, such as Ubuntu, running from a USB flash drive or DVD. Furthermore, once the paper wallet is set up, the website code should be able to run offline, which allows you to disconnect from the Internet before actually generating the keys. Finally, use a printer that is not connected to a network.

Cryptocurrency paper wallets offer a useful solution to the problem of storing funds for later use. They are one of the easiest forms of cold storage to start using. However, one should always remember that they are printing valuable private information on a piece of paper.

[Jay Johanson]

By the end of October [banned mixer] will be delivering the as-yet-unheard-of Mixer-as-a-Service!

Since the launch of [banned mixer] in August 2018 we have been relentlessly working on making the experience of using our mixing services a no-brainer for our partners. We are happy to say that we are almost there. Starting the end of October, it is safe to say that in order to set up a Jambler-based mixer, all that our partners are going to need is an intention of having one.

[banned mixer] will be rolling out its new Mixer-as-a-Service model and, therefore, taking care of hosting costs and tech support of your mixer and Telegram bot. For the Clearnet version of a bitcoin mixer, partners would have to obtain a domain name. For the Tor-mirror version, we would only need to know up to first seven characters of a preferred domain name, or Jambler partners can deal with Tor on their own. For Telegram bots, we would need your Telegram token. All the setup is on us. We in turn are expecting at least one paid transaction within the span of the first 3 months made through your mixer.

No more technical overhead. Nearly zero investment. To register your interest and do a pre-order of the new feature, drop a “+” in this thread or contact support@[banned mixer] with the “MaaS Pre-Order” subject line.

[Jay Johanson]

A hardware wallet

The increasing popularity of digital currencies goes hand in hand with the rise of hacking. That’s why it is highly important to take responsibility for your money and store it securely without risking to lose it all. Today, there are many forms of cryptocurrency wallets that vary in terms of safety and security, convenience and accessibility, so that every cryptocurrency user can chose the one which suits them most.

A HARDWARE WALLET, which is also a cold wallet, is a kind of cryptocurrency wallet that stores the user's private keys in a secure hardware device. As the private keys never leave the physical wallet, it is considered the safest way of storing coins. There have been no incidents of theft or loss of money from a hardware wallet to this day. To set up your wallet, you need to write down the seed word (recovery phrase) and store it in a separate physical location. When storing the backup electronically the security level substantially lowers. With the help of the recovery phrase you can easily restore your coins in the case of damage to your hardware wallet. As long as your hardware wallet is not connected to a computer, your funds are safely stored offline. Your main concern is to keep the hardware from getting stolen.

Hardware wallets has some formidable advantages compared to existing alternatives. These wallets are user-friendly and portable. They can be used securely and interactively, as private keys never need to touch potentially-vulnerable software. Moreover, private keys being stored in a protected area of a microcontroller cannot be transferred out of the device in plaintext. Since their software is usually open source, a user can validate the entire operation of the device. And last but not least, hardware wallets are immune to computer viruses.

Ledger and Trezor are the most popular brands for hardware wallets that gained a favorable reputation.

Hardware cryptocurrency wallets offer their users one of the highest level of security in terms of cryptocurrency storage. They manage to achieve a good balance between facilitating the blockchain transactions and keeping crypto funds offline and away from danger. Now, if you are ready to pay for peace of mind and invest in a device made by a reliable and proficient manufacturer with a good name, your funds will be safe and secure.

[Jay Johanson]

A software wallet

Being a digital currency, cryptocurrency requires a special approach when it comes to acquiring and storing it. Before owning any coins, you need somewhere to keep them. That place is called a wallet. If you want to get involved in crypto world it is essential to understand how these crypto wallets work, so that you can chose the one that will meet all your needs.

A SOFTWARE WALLET  is commonly known as ‘hot’ and is often connected to the internet. You need to download a software client to create a wallet; you don't have to purchase it.

There are three forms of software wallets: desktop wallets, online wallets and mobile wallets. Desktop wallets are for laptops and computers; where the software is installed on your device. They can be accessed from a single computer. Online wallets are wallets that run on the cloud and require an internet connection. They can be accessed from any device. Mobile wallets are software wallets that are downloaded onto your mobile device in the form of an app. These are simple and easy to use and have many additional features over other wallets including QR code scanning. You can access them from anywhere.

Software wallets are probably the most accessible and convenient for users to exchange and send crypto. All you need is the password for the software and the user interface will make sending and exchanging cryptocurrencies fairly simple. In the case that you forget your password or your computer is damaged or hacked, you can restore your wallet by using the recovery phrase. Generally, software wallets are free and quite straightforward to set up and use. The most popular software wallets are Electrum, Exodus, Jaxx and Coinbase.

A major drawback of software wallets is that they are still connected to the internet that means they could be hacked remotely. While using any hot wallet, user’s IP can be traced and their data packets on the internet can be analyzed, leaving some digital footprints to make them a target. 

A software wallet might be the best way to store cryptocurrency for beginners who want quick access to easily monitor and exchange digital assets.

However, if security is the highest priority for the user, a software wallet is not exactly their cup of tea, remaining highly vulnerable to hacking when connected to the internet.

[MixTum.io]

In 2016 crypto holders saw the cryptocurrency market rocket for the first time in its history. While one half of the crypto community was in a state of euphoria, the other half was in a quandary about Bitcoin’s major disadvantage that diminished its however big success in society – a lack of confidentiality. It is when bitcoin mixers started gaining steam, promising to become a silver bullet.
Spanning a couple of years back now, the use of bitcoin mixing has been pretty limited and not widely trusted. By the time our team got interested in the subject matter of crypto currency tumbling, a few mixers in the market had been deanonymized and a few forensic tools had come into play to circumvent mixing algorithms. Things were heating up and we figured it was time we had come up with a mixer of our own that could become a game-changer.
Having carried out a thorough research, our findings were a bit disheartening – a bitcoin mixer turned out to be an extraordinarily complex and costly product. The development would have required hiring a team of seasoned professionals with the tech expertise and experience in blockchain that are anything but common. To top it all, we would have had to find the sufficient (and by sufficient we mean a big amount of) money to turn around. It was simply way beyond our budget, however lucrative that business opportunity was.
We never gave up our search and it paid. Our team ran into [banned mixer] - a platform that powered a network of bitcoin mixers with an anonymization level we hadn’t seen any mixer provide.

Collaboration with Jambler
After a lot of digging into the work of the Jambler platform, firing questions at the Jambler’s team and doing all the thinking, we found out that we could kick start our own bitcoin tumbler, like, right then – we just needed to obtain a domain and hosting. It looked really simple. The hardest thing was to take a go decision… and think up a catchy name . It’s worth a mention, our decision was a well-informed one. The work of the platform was unsurpassable in many ways.
The Jambler support team had our back at every step of the installation/integration process, guiding us through and consulting on different matters. We in turn provided our input and a few suggestions regarding the deployment of a mixer on a VPS - back then Jambler was tuning up their tech and said that us being alpha-testers helped them make the process more user-friendly.
We decided to go with Jambler’s HTML template for our website to get things going and then get down to developing one of our own. So, we ended up setting up and running our Clearnet and Tor websites but made up our minds against Telegram bot as we had virtually no experience in Telegram as a social medium. But we will definitely get back to the Telegram option next year as there is no sense in missing out on that channel. Everything works just fine!

What are our clients getting?
- definitely the best anonymization technologies we’ve seen
- no risk of getting coins of questionable origin – the service buys and verifies output transactions from stock exchanges to mix with your crypto
- no chance of getting the exact same coins back. MixTum doesn’t “taint” your coins, therefore its tech neuters taint analysis
- clients’ money does not get mixed together in one pot thus leaving no link between input and output transactions in blockchain
- no 'change' outputs which counters cluster analysis
- optimal turnaround time (6 hours) – long enough to gum up volume analysis and short enough to not get impatient waiting for your money
- a letter of guarantee is issued upon each cleansing
- a FREE trial. Have you seen many mixers offer a free ride? It is a great no-obligation way to try out the service and see for yourself

What can partnership with Jambler bring to your party?
If you feel strongly about confidentiality and have an ambition to help the cryptocurrency community to restore their financial privacy, Jambler can jump-start your goal with zero investment on your end, take our word for that. The platform has announced its brand new Mixer-as-a-Service model for its partners which entails Jambler covering hosting costs and tech support of your mixer. Back when we started, they didn’t have this amazing offering. So you wouldn’t actually have to lift a finger and in the end would get architecture-wise complex, highly expensive and profitable product to run at no cost. We wouldn’t believe it possible if we hadn’t done it ourselves.

[alter-securities]

Hello everyone, would like to write a short review of Jambler’s Seller / (Investor) experience.

Tried investing 0.1 BTC on August 24, 2019 and received the return of 0.1 BTC + 1% as was promised on September 4, 2019.

Glad to see that its reliable, and will continue using the service.

However, I have few recommendations to improve user experience:
1)   The “Demand for BTC” indicator is confusing by showing the green battery it implies that the demand is high, and investment should be returned quickly. However, when actually investing, the investment bot in Telegram actually does display the message that the demand is low, and it might take >48 hours for returning the investment.
2)   When depositing BTC to investment account, Telegram bot does show a message that it identified an incoming transaction, but actually will need to wait 1-2 days for the balance to be displayed in the investment account (which is worrying for new investors).
3)   The team while being very responsive and helpful in answering all questions is clearly too busy, so it would be helpful if there would be a special 24/7 support.
4)   It would be really helpful if there would be an option to change the BTC address for receiving back the investment, but it’s not that significant.
5)   After few days of investment BTC Seller account shows a button for withdrawing investment + 1% (and such balance is displayed there), however it does not work as the team said it is for Partner’s account. So, it should either be removed, or should be “on” for investors too (as the team said funds can be withdrawn if message them and really need to receive it back asap).

So overall, the service is good and reliable, and for sure will continue using it, but the usability improvements would be really helpful

[mocacinno]

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So overall, the service is good and reliable, and for sure will continue using it, but the usability improvements would be really helpful

That's well and all... And it's true i haven't seen scam reports about this service so far, and that's a good sign... However, a long time ago i got payed by jambler to review their service, here's my report: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5140688.msg51237562#msg51237562

The thing is, it seems like the jambler site admin didn't follow any advice i've given them... The site still uses cloudflare's MITM SSL, security headers are still missing, google analytics are still used, cookies are still missing flags,...
Even worse, it seems components like jQuery have not been kept up to date, and are now lagging behind, exposing potential vulnerability's...

I have no quarrel with the site admin, it seems he's trying to run an honest business (so far), and i've analysed one of their outputs and it seems (at that time at least) he was telling the truth about their mixing algo... However, the security of the actual site is not up to par, so i'd never consider to actually use this site untill these issues are fixed. At this moment, using jambler defeats the purpose of using a mixer... Why use a mixer if cloudflare and google are able to track every action you perform on their clearnet site?

[Jay Johanson]

alter-securities,
Thanks for your constructive feedback! You are right, it appears our frontend still has a few rough edges. Thanks for drawing our attention to them.

it would be helpful if there would be a special 24/7 support.

Perhaps in its time, when our turnover is large enough to justify this.

mocacinno,
Also thanks for your continued feedback!

The thing is, it seems like the jambler site admin didn't follow any advice i've given them... The site still uses cloudflare's MITM SSL, security headers are still missing, google analytics are still used, cookies are still missing flags,...

Moving away from Cloudflare is a somewhat difficult task. Our team isn't very large, to be honest, and we had other things to work on. But in general there is an agreement amoung us that Cloudflare should be phased out, and we will do it, hopefully soon. Not so sure about Google Analytics, though, because we kind of depend on them as a business. This needs more consideration.

[mocacinno]

Moving away from Cloudflare is a somewhat difficult task. Our team isn't very large, to be honest, and we had other things to work on. But in general there is an agreement amoung us that Cloudflare should be phased out, and we will do it, hopefully soon. Not so sure about Google Analytics, though, because we kind of depend on them as a business. This needs more consideration.

I'm happy to hear you're taking steps in the right direction with cloudflare. To be honest, moving away from them should be a rather easy task... Most registrars offer to use their nameservers for free. That way you can edit your dns records straight from a gui offered by your registrar.
On top of that, you can use letsencrypt's free certificates, they even have a certificate bot that makes installing and renewing certificates rather easy (even for novice users).

As long as you keep using cloudflare's SSL you HAVE to realise your users are sending/receiving encrypted requests to CLOUDFLARE, cloudflare decrypts these requests and
forewards them to your server (either encrypted OR UNENCRYPTED... We have no idear if your host has ssl encryption). Cloudflare will be able to log EVERYTHING (they literally have the UNENCRYPTED data in hand)... They know who your visitor is (his ip), they know the exact content of your letter of guarantee, they know which deposit address you presented him/her with, they know which receiving address was sent to you,... They know (and potentially log) EVERYTHING... They are US based to...

About the continued use of google analytics, i strongly disagree that this should ever be an acceptable move for a mixing service... The key point of your business is offering anonimity for your users. As long as you enable google analytics, google will know exactly who visited your site, when, from where, using which browser, which refferer, and they might even track your visitors to the next site they visit.
Imagine their next visit is an online wallet (novice users can be ignorant and still use online wallets): wallets don't have to be completely anonymous, so it's perfectly acceptible if they also enabled google analytics. At this point, google will know where your visitor came from, which pages he visited on your site and where he went afterwards... This way the chain is complete and you've given a complete overview of your customer to a big, US based company.

Now, let's start from the worst case scenario: i'm a person that uses your mixer, but for some reason the US doesn't like me... A quick request sent to both cloudflare and google will allow them:

• To know which page i visited before visiting your host
• To know at which exact moment i visited your host
• Every piece of data send from or received from your host
• Every timestamp, my browser, my language, my OS,...
• Which site i visited after visiting your mixer

In other words, they'll be able to identify my source address and my destination address aswell as all metadata related to the mixing process (timestamps, pages, hosts, browser info, os info,...)

[Jay Johanson]

Friends,

The [banned mixer] platform is undergoing some unplanned maintenance, and its services are temporarily unavailable.

We will announce additionally once the maintenance is complete.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused.

[Jay Johanson]

The [banned mixer] platform is undergoing some unplanned maintenance, and its services are temporarily unavailable.

All functionality is now restored!

[Jay Johanson]

⚠ Important Announcement for [banned mixer] Partners: New Minimum and Commissions ⚠

You have likely noticed a significant increase of transaction fees on the network lately. This is one of the many consequences of the recent Bitcoin halving.

Sadly, we too have found ourselves among the businesses impacted by it. We have suddenly discovered that many smaller orders are now being processed at a loss. It is yet unclear whether this new situation is permanent or if the network fees will drop again at some point, but we can't afford to simply wait and see when (and if) it happens.

Starting from June 1, we are increasing the minimum order amount and the fixed part of the mixing commission:

• The minimum amount for mixing will be raised from 0.001 to 0.005 BTC.
• The fixed part of the commission for the Complete Anonymity and Precise Payment modes will be raised from 0.00015 to 0.0007 BTC.
• The fixed part of the commission for the Basic Mixing mode will be raised from 0.00008 to 0.00035 BTC.

We encourage all partners to make preparations for this change and update the terms advertised on your websites. If you use our partner website template, the commission breakdown on the mixing page loads dynamically and doesn't need to be corrected, but the rest of the site still requires manual editing (the FAQ in particular).

[fghjhiiiuytdssxvbbb]

Your project is very interesting, but how to verify that you really buy bitcoin from the exchange to customers? What do you have to prove it?


If you buy bitcoin from the world's major exchanges and send it to customers, 5% of the cost is worth it


Hello, if someone wants to mix 2000 BTC, I would like to ask if you have the ability to mix several thousand BTC in a day?


Hello, Your mixed currency model is very special. I'm very interested

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[Go-Overt]

Your project is very interesting, but how to verify that you really buy bitcoin from the exchange to customers? What do you have to prove it?

If you inspect the /become-seller.php]Invest Bitcoin with [banned mixer] program you will see easily that the supply is from the real exchanges. I am aware from those working separately on other partnerships with [banned mixer] that they often reject Bitcoin deposits depending on several factors but also the traceable history of Bitcoin in the transaction, for example they may be linked back to a heist or high-risk casino I suspect.

If you buy bitcoin from the world's major exchanges and send it to customers, 5% of the cost is worth it

See above.

Hello, if someone wants to mix 2000 BTC, I would like to ask if you have the ability to mix several thousand BTC in a day?

Each mixing session is open for 168 hours and you can send multiple times, some people have been known to send hundreds of BTC in multiple lots of 50 BTC. Once you send, check your wallet to monitor progress.

Hello, Your mixed currency model is very special. I'm very interested

This seems to be a custom implementation, you may ask in Telegram on the [banned mixer] support https://t.me/jambler

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[Jay Johanson]

Your project is very interesting, but how to verify that you really buy bitcoin from the exchange to customers? What do you have to prove it?

In addition to what Go-Overt said, one can use the same blockchain analysis tools that stock exchanges (and other entities) use to verify the funds in the first place.

Hello, if someone wants to mix 2000 BTC, I would like to ask if you have the ability to mix several thousand BTC in a day?

You are talking about very large amounts, especially considering that is per day. You must understand that such transactions will really stand out on the blockchain. Perhaps our platform could manage this kind of throughput in theory, but we would no longer be able to guarantee you the high anonymity that we advertise. We predict that at about 150-200BTC per day your anonymity will start to suffer despite our algorithm. And you should not mix more than 50BTC in a single order.

[Jay Johanson]

Greetings everyone. Lately there has been a couple of updates to the platform that some of you may find useful.

1) We have updated our automated deployment script for partner mixers to work on Debian 10. Debian has the reputation of an incredibly good server OS, mainly thanks to its stability. However, we are considering testing the script on other Linux distibutions and adapting it as needed. But let's not run ahead of the train. You will hear about those changes when they are ready.

2) We keep working on translations for our platform, and we are happy to inform you that our PGP-signed Letter of Guarantee is now available in Chinese, Portugese and Romanian, which brings the total number of supported languages up to 10. If you are our partner, you can sign into your account at [banned mixer] and pick the language in which Guarantee Letters will be issued for your service.

[Jay Johanson]

⚠️ Platform Maintenance: Investments are Temporarily Disabled ⚠️

The [banned mixer] platform is currently undergoing maintenance needed to introduce some improvements into the system, and we are temporarily not accepting investments, until further notice.

The rest of the functionality (partnership, mixing) keeps working normally.

Thanks for your understanding; we hope this will not take too long.

[brodevs]

Hello. Are you alive? What happened with your email? Can't send letter (554 5.7.1 <support@[banned mixer]>: Relay access denied)

[Jay Johanson]

I welcome all of you. We have been absent from the forum for a long time, raising doubts about the viability of the service. We didn’t stop work, we worked and evolved.

What’s new in the absence of:
- Added "Exact payment" mode
Incoming coins will be anonymous, as in "total anonymity". The exact amount is sent to the first address and the balance, minus the mixing fee, will be sent to the second address.
- Support for segwit address added
- Now the default site template supports tor v.3.0
- Optimized mixing algorithms.

A lot of work has been done, though it is not obvious. We have simply not covered everything in the forum. Now we are back and ready to answer all our questions.

[LeGaulois]

Glad to see you're still operating. There is a little thing you could work on. Your email doesn't work.
I tried to email you the past weekend and right now.

It's a bit difficult to make your own opinion about a service when there is no active presence on any channel or no recent feedback.
We don't expect you to come and post on a forum every day or to post funny cats videos on Twitter, but every now and then it's nice to show off a little

[Jay Johanson]

Glad to see you're still operating. There is a little thing you could work on. Your email doesn't work.
I tried to email you the past weekend and right now.

It's a bit difficult to make your own opinion about a service when there is no active presence on any channel or no recent feedback.
We don't expect you to come and post on a forum every day or to post funny cats videos on Twitter, but every now and then it's nice to show off a little

Welcome. Thank you for contacting us. We have revised the internal mail order. Now we are not only in the telegram https://t.me/jambler, but we can also contact you by mail support@[banned mixer]. We would like to remind you that during the weekend you planned to return to the list of trusted mixers of our partners (mixer1.money, [banned mixer], mixsafer.com). We are now connected and always ready for dialogue.

[LeGaulois]

 support@[banned mixer] was the email that didn't work. Now it does, I confirm.
I know I'm 3 days late and I'm sorry but since I got a fire in my kitchen, I'm sure you understand I have more important stuff to deal with.

By the way, I re-added mixesafer.com to the list some minutes ago, and I will add the other partners later

[Jay Johanson]

Thank you. I hope that your business will soon be in order. And we will soon see amendments to the list.

[lokas0506]

I hope to see some reviews. Lets say i decide to give it a go and decide to put 0.0026 (aprox 100 usd) in to the service

1. what would be the fee associated with that transfer
2. if i would decide to just hold that money with you till next halving cycle high lets say 4 years how much btc could i expect to have or its not how it works and for the purposse of mixing i need to be constantly interacting with the service ?#

If you are expecting increased demand in mixing services across the board becoming bit more user friendly with some tutorial videos would be helpfull

(and maybe some references from some high ranking forum members )

[Bitcoin_Arena]

From what I understand. Someone can create their own bitcoin mixer using your platform... correct?

If yes, I have a concern about Bitcoin mixer scams, which are currently so many. Won't your  platform encourage scammers to create multiple scams through it since it may make it easier to set up?
What happens if your platform is plagued with scam mixers? Do you have the ability to discontinue the partnerships?

[LeGaulois]

From what I understand. Someone can create their own bitcoin mixer using your platform... correct?

If yes, I have a concern about Bitcoin mixer scams, which are currently so many. Won't your  platform encourage scammers to create multiple scams through it since it may make it easier to set up?
What happens if your platform is plagued with scam mixers? Do you have the ability to discontinue the partnerships?

You still need to develop and host the website yourself, of course. They do provide some ready-to-go templates if I remember correctly.

[banned mixer] manages every financial transaction and issue letters of guarantee, the partners receive their commission from Jambler on a configured address. They don't manage money (bitcoins) and their main job is to attract people. It can be seen as a gateway between [banned mixer] and clients (people mixing btc)

[AB de Royse777]

You still need to develop and host the website yourself, of course. They do provide some ready-to-go templates if I remember correctly.

[banned mixer] manages every financial transaction and issue letters of guarantee, the partners receive their commission from Jambler on a configured address. They don't manage money (bitcoins) and their main job is to attract people. It can be seen as a gateway between [banned mixer] and clients (people mixing btc)

My basic understand is [banned mixer] holds the money part. The clients (people who are mixing) mix in [banned mixer] engine but through the mixer sites.
 
I spent few hours on their site to understand the business. I am amazed to see something like this already exists in mixing. It's kind of the betting providers. The providers do that technical and technology, the gambling sites creates the market and attracts end users.

[joker_josue]

My basic understand is [banned mixer] holds the money part. The clients (people who are mixing) mix in [banned mixer] engine but through the mixer sites.
 
I spent few hours on their site to understand the business. I am amazed to see something like this already exists in mixing. It's kind of the betting providers. The providers do that technical and technology, the gambling sites creates the market and attracts end users.

I would say it's more of an affiliate style. The sites advertise the mix and offer the resources to get it done right away, the Jambler handles the process, and then sends a small commission to the site owner.

This was the understanding I had. Which I found very interesting.


Have any significant problems been reported to date? Or has everything been running normally on this platform?
I ask this, because I didn't know Jambler, and I only feared knowing her for a short time.

[Jay Johanson]

Have any significant problems been reported to date? Or has everything been running normally on this platform?
I ask this, because I didn't know Jambler, and I only feared knowing her for a short time.

Hi. We have been working continuously since 2018. The platform is working and developing to this day. We do not plan to stop.

[joker_josue]

Hi. We have been working continuously since 2018. The platform is working and developing to this day. We do not plan to stop.

Thanks for the answer.

What does it take to set up a partner site?
Is there any upfront cost? Does the site need any specific features?

[icopress]

What does it take to set up a partner site?
Is there any upfront cost? Does the site need any specific features?

I'll leave this here for now... we'll update the ANN soon so everyone can see the details visually.

How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer? ^{[/faq.php#faq-2.1]Extended FAQ]}

You do not have to implement mixer algorithms by yourself or seek for finance to form operating assets, we did that for you.

➥ Register on the [banned mixer] website as a partner, specify a BTC wallet for profit receipt and your mixer commission, configure an automated withdrawal of funds and enter a project name. The platform will generate BTC addresses, issue letters of guarantee on your behalf, control monetary flows and transfer profits to you.

➥ Develop website design of your own mixer or use a template which we have prepared for you. In your personal account you can find HTML templates for Tor and Clearnet mixer version, PHP gateway to connect to our system. Download and upload them to your hosting.

➥ Your mixer is ready for operation, all that is left for you to do is to attract clients. You will get interest income from every transaction. You will get Jabber or Telegram notifications of new requests and transaction execution via your mixer from the platform.

[joker_josue]

What does it take to set up a partner site?
Is there any upfront cost? Does the site need any specific features?

I'll leave this here for now... we'll update the ANN soon so everyone can see the details visually.

How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer? ^{[/faq.php#faq-2.1]Extended FAQ]}
~~

Thanks for the clarification.

I had actually read this but wanted to confirm some more details. I'll explore a little more and maybe join the project.

[LeGaulois]

I'm asking on behalf of a person who is looking to contact @Jay Johanson but he/she doesn't accept messages from newbies. And from what he told me nobody seems to respond when the person sends an email or on Telegram.
The person basically asked me if Jay Johanson is still alive

Is the service still available? I have myself tested the various mixers powered by [banned mixer] and the APIs seem to be working, so I would say yes.

[funnow]

I have installed the script, worked okay, than stop worked on tor, after reinstalled, nothing worked anymore, I have sent an email but I get an error. So maybe they have some issues.

[icopress]

I have installed the script, worked okay, than stop worked on tor, after reinstalled, nothing worked anymore, I have sent an email but I get an error. So maybe they have some issues.

I'll try to find out what I can.  

In the meantime, try asking in their official group.

Code:

https://t.me/jambler

[xandry]

What does it mean? I sent a small amount in bitcoins to the address for the deposit, and at night I received a notification about the recharge, but there is no address of my wallet for the refund. Will I even get them back?

[joker_josue]

What does it mean? I sent a small amount in bitcoins to the address for the deposit, and at night I received a notification about the recharge, but there is no address of my wallet for the refund. Will I even get them back?

I apologize for the offtopic, but it is to leave the suggestion of uploading the images in the new service created by me for images destined for BitcoinTalk, here: TalkImg.com

I hope you can resolve your question regarding the deposit.

[xandry]

Text mode:

[banned mixer] service & verification bot, [02.05.2023 14:53]
Please send your bitcoins to:
3NqZ...3jRn

[banned mixer] service & verification bot, [02.05.2023 14:53]
Your guarantee letter:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

[banned mixer] has generated the address: 3NqZY17x7iib5nvLjsyfFJEfzsxFjX3jRn
Your coins + profit of 1% will be sent to the forwarding address bc1qyjtqzzt95f6fvj06aq4r4k2h245gmkm5dgcp9q.
Expected turnaround time: 48+ hours.
Maximum amount:  0. 
This offer is valid for 10080 minutes from 2023-05-02 14:54:48 GMT.
If your transaction fails the check you will be charged a 0.0% fee for transaction + 0.003 BTC.
PGP fingerprint: 63DFE7F602E8C7D50B1D2340FDAEC8327BBC8E99.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJkUPoIAAoJENOygJVvDnyvL5gIAIl6+ttJ3LExg+mMwIg4Z81q
JmhayycaiZgwehtwhlEpxyfWCBtCyC5Q6KgUgki9ClXlOa34OYbLX7jE5QorrAfU
aMACv8kyKSo2Y498BohM//wwIcC1Lsh6GVEGgePM5XJnPvyxZiIpGG2URibODi96
D8y0F/5l5jMmdoCwvvoamsftOpPKgL3sTqKv+u560RgZXDOnqd1O1LOsfYIGa120
hXUUwCy8yEZ3r6WSx8es5vAUG/kIa54KakQIhAYQyeKhfJVFuWIzYpXcmcfOCpuS
/gjBXyCMSr60mZX9r1ITgUZBEbbIMWBO6d23012e+mhevTp8N2sbJxDrTI9/FyY=
=Qqqj
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

[banned mixer] service & verification bot, [02.05.2023 14:53]
ATTENTION! At the moment the demand for investment is low, an average time of return on investment may exceed 48 hours. We're unable to guarantee any exact return time.

[banned mixer] service & verification bot, [03.05.2023 0:43]
Incomming transaction to:
3NqZ...3jRn amount: 0.00716618 BTC

[banned mixer] service & verification bot, [03.05.2023 0:43]
Scoring is FAILED! Address: 3NqZ...3jRn
Amount 0.00716618 BTC excluding fee 0.003 BTC+0.0% will be returned to address:
.

[LeGaulois]

What does it mean? I sent a small amount in bitcoins to the address for the deposit, and at night I received a notification about the recharge, but there is no address of my wallet for the refund. Will I even get them back?

Your transaction hasn't been accepted, as you can guess with the scoring...
In such case, the funds are returned to the same wallet. Hence the "." instead of the adress.
Surely something not configured correctly but yes you will get them back of course ^^

no idea about the estimated time

[xandry]

Your transaction hasn't been accepted, as you can guess with the scoring...
In such case, the funds are returned to the same wallet. Hence the "." instead of the adress.
Surely something not configured correctly but yes you will get them back of course ^^

no idea about the estimated time

Why did this happen? Did I do something wrong?

[LeGaulois]

Why did this happen? Did I do something wrong?

Nah, you did nothing wrong. It's just your BTC are not swag enough

Basically, when someone sends BTC to the platform, the system checks how "clean" are the bitcoins with a blockchain analysis.
If the transaction is considered "clean", the funds go to the pool
If not, it's refunded to the user (minus network fees)

Otherwise, why to use a mixer and pay the fees, if you can can clean your BTC for free with [banned mixer] and on the top make a profit?
It's set up to avoid abuses and to receive "clean" BTC

[xandry]

Bump

More than a week has passed since 03.05.2023, but my bitcoins have not returned yet. Terrible service, I do not advise anyone to invest their bitcoins.

[icopress]

Bump

More than a week has passed since 03.05.2023, but my bitcoins have not returned yet. Terrible service, I do not advise anyone to invest their bitcoins.

xandry, I'll try contacting Jambler and get back here with an answer.

[icopress]

Beware of phishing. There is only one single original ".io" site (including the tor version) and both links are in the OP.

[Synchronice]

What risks does [banned mixer] face when it offers mixing platform to its clients? What would happen to [banned mixer] if Sinbad.io was their customer and was using their coins/platform? Will the seizure of one of [banned mixer]'s current partner mixer website result in problems for [banned mixer]? I think, this is not only interesting question for me but for [banned mixer] owners, partners and investors too. I hope you all feel alright to discuss about it.

[digaran]

 "Our algorithm involves the sale of obviously clean coins from cryptocurrency exchanges to partners using our platform."

In other words, you are a mixing platform, then why bother ban mixers here, right? Have an announcement thread that says you are a mixer, then when the ban comes, change a few things and continue as usual. 😉

We are the first platform that allows anyone to create their own business and profit from cryptoanonymization services, you can become both a partner and an investor. itself does not interact directly with clients. This approach is very similar to a referral program and avoids conflicts of interest between the platform and partners. Our algorithm involves the sale of obviously clean coins from cryptocurrency exchanges to partners using our platform.

In a word, Jambler purchases output transactions from cryptocurrency stock exchanges and/or miners, verifies their quality and resells them to partners who, in turn, interact with end clients. The purpose of our work is to ensure safety for cryptocurrency owners and security for their savings.

Can I trust you with my money?

All ..... participants, partners, sellers (investors) and end users are protected by the platform against accidental errors or deliberate actions. All incoming transactions are confirmed with letters of guarantee signed with PGP. To check a letter of guarantee, install a PGP client (for example, PGP4Win), import a public key of ........ from the website to the installed client and verify a digital signature.

How can I create my own business?

It is very simple! You do not have to implement mixer algorithms by yourself or seek for finance to form operating assets, we did that for you.

• Register on the ..... website as a partner, specify a BTC wallet for profit receipt and your mixer commission, configure an automated withdrawal of funds and enter a project name. The platform will generate BTC addresses, issue letters of guarantee on your behalf, control monetary flows and transfer profits to you.
• Develop website design of your own mixer or use a template which we have prepared for you. In your personal account you can find HTML templates for Tor and Clearnet mixer version, PHP gateway to connect to our system. Download and upload them to your hosting.
• Your mixer is ready for operation, all that is left for you to do is to attract clients. You will get interest income from every transaction. You will get Jabber or Telegram notifications of new requests and transaction execution via your mixer from the platform.

Why is it profitable for me to use ...... for investment?

Firstly, we have a stable demand for transactions from stock exchanges for which we are ready to pay a bounty. ........ constantly purchases output transactions from Bitcoin stock exchanges and provides a bonus of 1% for that. An average time of return on investment is 12 hours. Secondly, our business model is transparent. It demonstrates clearly from which funds  pays commission fees to sellers/investors.

To eliminate risks of getting a cryptocurrency of questionable origin, all investor Bitcoins are checked by the platform scoring system, including blockchain analysis. Transactions which have passed the check, get into the system and transaction which have failed the check, are returned to a customer from the same wallet. This stage makes it possible to terminate attempts of unfair investors to use an investment admittance as a mixer in order to clear their money and gain profit at the same time. ........ does not capitalize on return of cryptocoins which haven’t passed the scoring check, it is a necessary security measure.

What are stock exchanges supported?

Poloniex, Binance, Korbit, Bitfinex, Bitstamp, Pbit, GDAX, Okcoin, Kraken, Gemini, BTCC, CEX.IO, itBit, Simex, Lakebtc, Exmo, Bitbay, Livecoin.

We are ready to be of service to you 24h a day during the entire period of cooperation. Our motto is anonymity, speed and reliability. We value our reputation and your trust. Stay in touch and check for updates. Create your profitable Bitcoin mixer and start writing your very own success story with ........

if I'm not mistaken, you provide free mixing software and even facilitate all the operations yourselves, all we need to do is to pick a name, register a domain and we are good to go? Truly amazing and innovative, I wish we had such opportunities on other services as well. Consider me your new fan/client.😉

I posted 3 days ago but no answer so far, what a terrible PR team you guys have, I'm interested in partnering with you, so I have many questions, like how do I anonymously register and handle domain names? since I can start for free, can I also have several mixers for free? Will you then list all my services as your partners?
Please note my trust rating, I'm an outcast, unwanted, hated, I want to earn honestly, because I know you check every coin before mixing them and if they have issues you'd send them back, so there is no legal issues by partnering with you. do also note that I know many powerful people, world stage kind of people. If I tell you only one name, you'd be shocked for days. 😉


Edit: friends, I have some good news to share, [banned mixer] just received a green light to operate here. I'm excited.🤑
Second edit: it seems you guys aren't serious businessmen, from an outsider perspective, it's like this is an exit scam of some sort, it's been 5 days and nobody seems to be active here, I'd advise people to stay away from this service and their partners for the time being.

[Volgastallion]

Hi! i have a few question about this. And i hope anyone can enlight me.

1- How is gonna be refused the BTC the investor send if they comes from a stock exchanges? Or stock exchanges also sends "dirty" BTC?

2- That 34% of monthly retun is calculated on BTC? So if i put 1 BTC at the end of the month and maxim the invest im gonna have 1.34 BTC?


Anyways i think is a very good model of business, and i dont think it fells into a normal mixing services.

[Volgastallion]

In their page, look.

[digaran]

In their page, look.

So basically not only they are getting away with the ban by exploiting a loophole, they are now offering at least %30 ROI per month? Is mining, trading that profitable? This looks like a money grab, imagine if they can just get away with 5 BTC, that would be a good money for them, and since they advertise here even after the ban, they have the perfect legitimacy to even grab more than that. This smells like a scam. Or you know, just a honeypot or just a ponzi.

People are keeping it quite because they might lose their future garbage posting opportunities. 😉 protecting the community my ass.

[joker_josue]

In their page, look.

What the page says is that you can earn up to 34%. In other words, you can earn between 1% and 34%. It does not guarantee this profitability. This will certainly depend on the money invested and the volume of business that the platform has.

[stompix]

So basically not only they are getting away with the ban by exploiting a loophole, they are now offering at least %30 ROI per month? Is mining, trading that profitable? This looks like a money grab, imagine if they can just get away with 5 BTC, that would be a good money for them, and since they advertise here even after the ban, they have the perfect legitimacy to even grab more than that. This smells like a scam. Or you know, just a honeypot or just a ponzi.

When you try to highlight things with red lines be careful to not cross things that invalidate your theory, one might think you have an agenda..
 



See that thing about 12 hours? Jambler is not holding your money for a month and then pays 30%, you get an average of 1% on a trade, you do one each day and you might end up with 30% , that assuming you have clients. It's up to, you can make 1% or even zero if you have no offers!
So, since they've been operating since 2018 they had about 750 cycles (assuming max limit time of 48h) to scam someone, yet they didn't.

https://[banned mixer]/faq.php#faq-1.3

How fast does return on investment happen?

Everything depends on a current demand. When the platform experiences a strong need for funds, return on investment can be minimal and reach 2 hours. If a demand for investment is low, an average time of return on investment may be 48 hours or more. We assume that return on investment may take 12 hours on the average.

I know you've been low lately on trolling material but common, you can do better!
Take a break from here and enjoy the P&S section, I'm sure there is something in that cesspool that might keep you entertain for a month or so.

[digaran]

Welp! They are just rude, they haven't answered any of my legit and serious questions for 20 days now, they are not even here responding, so what kind of a trustworthy service operator abandons their ANN thread for weeks not answering some concerning questions?

This service has been in operation for years and yet I heard of them just recently, so excuse me if I can't trust them blindly.
1- what kind of a business runs their receiving coins through chain analysis to check if they are "clean" or not?

2- which chain analysis they use?

3- what are they doing that makes it possible to earn %1 in a day? That means ROI in 100 days if there is demand, we all have heard the famous 100 days ROI stories aka ponzis.

4- who would run their coins through a CA service and for what reason exactly that could persuade them to pay such high fees that could satisfy the %1 per day of investors and also gives them their own profit? I know, people with something to hide would do that.

Finally, guess what? What happens if suddenly the battery on their site shows empty and after a few months of accumulating trust, they start demanding large sums like 100 Bitcoins or more, and then hit the road? You guessed right, ponzis operate just like that.

There is no natural and legit business that could guarantee %1 daily ROI.
Besides, how can icopress offer me to sell a copy of this service for 17 BTC ? Is he the owner or did the owner told him to give that offer? Can we see the conversation where that happened?

You guys are mesmerized by $500-700 monthly payments you receive, and can't think clearly, you rather continue getting paid and stay silent as long as this ponzi lasts, typical ponzi promoter mindset.

I'm sure if they run with the money, icopress would be safe, right? WRONG. I have enough evidence on him, I just hope nobody lose any money and then say: that deranged troll dig was on to something we just didn't listen.

[icopress]

Thanks for continuing to keep this thread active. 

[GazetaBitcoin]

I don't understand at all the accusations about a Ponzi scheme here. stompix, in fact, explained things very well. A Ponzi scheme is not running for 5 years in a row until their "artists" do the Houdini move. This sounds very unrealistic.

Not even Bitconeeeeeeeeeec or OneCoin -- which were among biggest crypto Ponzi schemes -- spent such a great amount of time before they exit scammed or before authorities came for some of their leaders..

[joker_josue]

This conversation reminds me of some customers who visit the store where I work.

He starts talking and asking various questions about articles, until they start asking:
Are you the ones who make this product?
Where is the factory? What is the name of the company that manufactures it?

And then, laughing, they say: "This is just curiosity, I don't want to set up any business that competes with yours." 

People sometimes seem unable to discern what types of questions they should ask. They think that the only way to know if something is good or not is to know all the details of the origin of things. They forget that when we are talking about a business, the businessman cannot reveal all the details, otherwise he will lose the business.

[digaran]

We are cool though, I'm just trying to point out the obvious for reference.
Also paving the path for future generations of the similar businesses, imagine in the near future the exact service as jambojet appears and suddenly people start calling them ponzi-scam, untrustworthy etc, then we will use such conversations as reference if needed. Nothing feels better than slapping some wet fish when the time comes.

On the other hand, I am inadvertently preventing any competition of jambojet to even dare trying to do business here. I didn't think about that before!

[dkbit98]

A Ponzi scheme is not running for 5 years in a row until their "artists" do the Houdini move. This sounds very unrealistic.

I could be wrong about this, but some people say that current worldwide governmental construction with fiat currencies printed from thin air, and with ever growing consumer prices and tax extortion, is one of the longest ever running ponzi schemes

[joker_josue]

I would like to understand better how Invest Bitcoin with [banned mixer] works.

How specifically work?
Is there a minimum value that must be entered?

[examplens]

I saw that a new mixer appeared in town (I will not write his name on this forum). Looking at the code on their site, it looks like they are a new Jambler partner. Because of their current authority, the Jambler team may update the list of partners on the [banned mixer] site to remove doubts.
It would be useful if Jambler appeared on the Altt forum, at least through the ANN thread.

[icopress]

I saw that a new mixer appeared in town (I will not write his name on this forum). Looking at the code on their site, it looks like they are a new Jambler partner. Because of their current authority, the Jambler team may update the list of partners on the [banned mixer] site to remove doubts.
It would be useful if Jambler appeared on the Altt forum, at least through the ANN thread.

The list of partners is updated only by agreement of the two parties. I know at least 3 mixers that are not on the list, and even Webmixer for the first year was against being on this list because he wanted to position himself as an independent mixer (in the sense of creating his own reputation on his own).

[DooMAD]

I saw that a new mixer appeared in town (I will not write his name on this forum). Looking at the code on their site, it looks like they are a new Jambler partner. Because of their current authority, the Jambler team may update the list of partners on the [banned mixer] site to remove doubts.
It would be useful if Jambler appeared on the Altt forum, at least through the ANN thread.

The list of partners is updated only by agreement of the two parties. I know at least 3 mixers that are not on the list, and even Webmixer for the first year was against being on this list because he wanted to position himself as an independent mixer (in the sense of creating his own reputation on his own).

And, given the regulatory hostility at the moment, I can kind of understand why some of them want to remain under the radar.  Avoid getting too big too fast, not attracting too much attention.

[SFR10]

@Jay Johanson
Does the blockchain analysis part that's included in the scoring system, solely use the automated analysis tools that some of the exchanges also use for flagging stuff, or there's also someone who goes through each one of the addresses and transactions to look for errors?
^{- The reason why I'm asking this is that I've tried a few of these automated tools in the past and on a few occasions it led to a false-positive result!}

Update:

I'll try to find out what I can.  

Thank you

Update 2:

SFR10, Whenever possible, we try to automate all work processes.

Thank You for the information

[icopress]

@Jay Johanson
Does the blockchain analysis part that's included in the scoring system, solely use the automated analysis tools that some of the exchanges also use for flagging stuff, or there's also someone who goes through each one of the addresses and transactions to look for errors?
^{- The reason why I'm asking this is that I've tried a few of these automated tools in the past and on a few occasions it led to a false-positive result!}

I'll try to find out what I can. 

[xandry]

Bump

More than a week has passed since 03.05.2023, but my bitcoins have not returned yet. Terrible service, I do not advise anyone to invest their bitcoins.

xandry, I'll try contacting Jambler and get back here with an answer.

I forgot to inform you in a timely manner in this thread that the problem was solved immediately after that. Thanks icopress

[Jay Johanson]

SFR10, Whenever possible, we try to automate all work processes.

[Pmalek]

I have translated the [banned mixer] announcement thread into Croatian. For anyone who wants to read it in that language, it's available on the link below:
🍁 [banned mixer] - Započnite vlastiti BTC Posao / Postanite investitor 💲

[stompix]

One thing I've noticed browsing around, in the sign-up tutorial you use securejabber(dot)me as an example for a jabber server
I don't know how many still use jabber versus telegram and if it matters but that domain is up for sale so it would just confuse someone going though that tutorial better use jabber.at for a list.

How specifically work?
Is there a minimum value that must be entered?

Hmm, just realized this one got unanswered, it's 0.04 BTC!
But you will need to sign-up and check the offers to see what demand for liquidity there is, which nobody can guarantee.

[joker_josue]

Hmm, just realized this one got unanswered, it's 0.04 BTC!
But you will need to sign-up and check the offers to see what demand for liquidity there is, which nobody can guarantee.

And is it possible to withdraw this money at any time, or do you have to wait a certain number of days?

[stompix]

And is it possible to withdraw this money at any time, or do you have to wait a certain number of days?

I am pretty sure you can set automated payments for a certain sum, but for the details on how long could that take at maximum I would let their rep cover this.

[icopress]

Note: Jambler is undergoing scheduled maintenance.

[examplens]

Note: Jambler is undergoing scheduled maintenance.

I am interested in one thing, maybe you can give me the correct information. When Jambler is under planned maintenance, does this affect all their partners? Or the service is functional in the background?

[icopress]

I am interested in one thing, maybe you can give me the correct information. When Jambler is under planned maintenance, does this affect all their partners? Or the service is functional in the background?

First, because Jambler resells to them the coins it receives through short-term user deposits, thus providing them with liquidity.

Why is it profitable for me to use [banned mixer] for investment?

Firstly, we have a stable demand for transactions from stock exchanges for which we are ready to pay a bounty. [banned mixer] constantly purchases output transactions from Bitcoin stock exchanges and provides a bonus of 1% for that. An average time of return on investment is 12 hours. Secondly, our business model is transparent. It demonstrates clearly from which funds [banned mixer] pays commission fees to sellers/investors.

To eliminate risks of getting a cryptocurrency of questionable origin, all investor Bitcoins are checked by the platform scoring system, including blockchain analysis. Transactions which have passed the check, get into the system and transaction which have failed the check, are returned to a customer from the same wallet. This stage makes it possible to terminate attempts of unfair investors to use an investment admittance as a mixer in order to clear their money and gain profit at the same time. [banned mixer] does not capitalize on return of cryptocoins which haven’t passed the scoring check, it is a necessary security measure.

[NotATether]

Note: Jambler is undergoing scheduled maintenance.

How come Mixtum went under maintenance a few days before this? According to the ANN thread elsewhere.

Is that the case with the other Jambler partners as well?

[icopress]

Is that the case with the other Jambler partners as well?

Man, the answer is literally in the previous post.

[Jay Johanson]

Jambler is undergoing scheduled maintenance.

We have long delayed the implementation of some new features related to our security system. And at the moment we are working on a more advanced system for validating transactions of our investors. As a result, our partners' end users will receive as purified Bitcoins as possible in the future.

The platform will return to normal mode when all technical work is completed.

[icopress]

Jambler has completed maintenance. 

[Jay Johanson]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

[xLays]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

Why not? Who doesn't want a raffle, especially if it is free raffle? Setting up free raffle here in bitcointalk is cool way to involve the community without them needing to spend any cryptocurrency. You can giveaway prize and let people join by leaving post or comments on your thread or by doing something like sharing the post on social media. Just be sure to explain the rules and who can enter and follow the forum's guidelines to avoid any problems.

Don't be like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5487095.msg63738537#msg63738537

[joker_josue]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

Without a doubt, it is an excellent way to promote the brand. If it is the sending of products, many are reluctant to participate, for privacy reasons. But even so, it is still a good way to promote the brand.

[stompix]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

Why not? Who doesn't want a raffle, especially if it is free raffle?

Exactly, who doesn't want free stuff??

The only thing that I would ask for would be bit more time open to take part in it, for some of the raffles that are decided on block hash it's like 5 minutes and all the spots are taken or you don't even wake up completely and you seen two completed while brushing your teeth.

If it is the sending of products, many are reluctant to participate, for privacy reasons. But even so, it is still a good way to promote the brand.

I would just participate for the fun, probably if I would win a tangible thing I would just open a raffle myself or give it to the second placed, I've also began to be a bit on edge about sharing the address especially after that Ledger fiasco where I got extremely lucky, also too many more than curios mailmen lately, we actually made a complain to the postal office since we caught one on cameras really interacting with the envelopes before pushing them in the boxes.

[cygan]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

it's a good way to promote the project and spread the visibility here in the forum
we from Icarus have collaborated with two other projects in the past, who then free raffled their own cards here in the forum
if you are interested, we will be happy to help you

[Pmalek]

I would just participate for the fun, probably if I would win a tangible thing I would just open a raffle myself or give it to the second placed, I've also began to be a bit on edge about sharing the address especially after that Ledger fiasco where I got extremely lucky.

Ledger is a famous company in its line of business. Hackers and scammers had incentives to attack them, trying to retrieve as much of data as possible. Jambler is a popular brand, but it operates differently. It doesn't deal with millions of end clients like Ledger does. Shipping out physical items and storing client data in the millions isn't part of Jambler's business model. One should always be careful who they give their personal information to, but it's different in this case. Plus, most countries have PO boxes you could probably use for such cases.

[dkbit98]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

Raffles are great, especially if reward is going to be Bitcoin.
I have nothing against raffles with physical items (hardware wallets, cards, etc) as reward, but many forum members don't want to participate because they want to protect their identity and personal information.
There is no shipping, delivery or customs issues with Bitcoin

[Synchronice]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

Yes, it will be interesting to see. Would love to see creative giveaways when privacy protection is a must at the same time.

also too many more than curios mailmen lately, we actually made a complain to the postal office since we caught one on cameras really interacting with the envelopes before pushing them in the boxes.

Your neighborhood got a surprise. I am used to that, DHL constantly hires immigrants, some of them are really good people who work because of poverty in their country but some of them try to steal things from your parcels.

Ledger is a famous company in its line of business. Hackers and scammers had incentives to attack them, trying to retrieve as much of data as possible. Jambler is a popular brand, but it operates differently.

I hope Jambler won't give away free Ledger wallets because Ledger is a shady company and no one is guaranteed to have a secure wallet with them. Their recent Ledger Recover scandal is more than enough proof to not use their wallet.

[examplens]

Raffles are great, especially if reward is going to be Bitcoin.
I have nothing against raffles with physical items (hardware wallets, cards, etc) as reward, but many forum members don't want to participate because they want to protect their identity and personal information.
There is no shipping, delivery or customs issues with Bitcoin

It would be logical if Jambler did not organize a raffle with physical prizes. Even partners or investors are completely anonymous because all communication is via telegram (bot). I don't expect them to violate anyone's privacy because of the raffle, even if it was through an intermediary.
If it were to happen, Bitcoin as a reward is probably the best solution.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Hi all! We have seen how some projects organize raffles. Would you like to see something similar from us?

Thank you for being interested about this matter, Jay Johanson. It is very kind of you to take into consideration such possibility. Indeed, some projects organized raffles in past months and all users interested in collectibles appreciated the prizes. some were very nice items (cards, hardware wallets). At same time, as you see in other replies, some forum members would prefer prizes in BTC, for preserving their privacy.

My opinion on this is, besides the fact that it would be a very nice gesture, that you can try make some raffles with prizes in physical items but also raffles involving only BTC prizes. Maybe make a raffle with a physical prize, then one with BTC prize and so on. Of course, the budget matters a lot, and only you can know what budget you have at disposal.

Regarding raffles with physical prizes I have an idea in mind, but I am unsure if it can be done... I am thinking about some coins made by casascius or Kialara. Or, why not, coins made by smoothie, so some Lealana coins... Such coins are very rare and I did not see them used as prizes in any raffle (raffles organized by other projects, that is). So maybe such prizes would be very unique.

Again, the budget is crucial, but I hope my ideas will help.

[Pmalek]

<Snip>

Jambler could organize raffles that include real physical items for those users willing to accept them and have them shipped either to their home address, their place of work, a PO box, etc. But if the winner doesn't want to give away their personal information, which some don't want to do, the alternative could be to offer the same value of the physical item in BTC. Both types of winners can get a prize that way.

[icopress]

Jambler could organize raffles that include real physical items for those users willing to accept them and have them shipped either to their home address, their place of work, a PO box, etc. But if the winner doesn't want to give away their personal information, which some don't want to do, the alternative could be to offer the same value of the physical item in BTC. Both types of winners can get a prize that way.

But it doesn't work. If there is such a loophole, then everyone will give preference to prizes in Bitcoin.

I really liked what NotATether does: Run A Bitcoin Node: 14 Days To 14 Merits I think Jambler would agree to sponsor this.

[Pmalek]

But it doesn't work. If there is such a loophole, then everyone will give preference to prizes in Bitcoin.

Perhaps. It will greatly depend on the type of physical prize we are talking about and, of course, the person who wins it. If we go back to the Bitcointalk Community Awards from the last couple of years, we had winners who accepted the physical gifts and gave out their addresses and those who didn't. If it's an interesting item the winner wants to own, they might do it. For example, a rare BTC coin or a hardware wallet they were thinking about purchasing anyways.   

Finally, if no prizes will be paid out in bitcoin, the rules of the competition should make it clear that only users who have no problems to have the items shipped to their location can participate. So, if you don't want to, then don't play.

[dkbit98]

Regarding raffles with physical prizes I have an idea in mind, but I am unsure if it can be done... I am thinking about some coins made by casascius or Kialara. Or, why not, coins made by smoothie, so some Lealana coins... Such coins are very rare and I did not see them used as prizes in any raffle (raffles organized by other projects, that is). So maybe such prizes would be very unique.

I can also arrange a deal to create unique Jambler limited edition collectible open source cards and hardware wallets, if people are interested in that.
Jay Johanson can PM me if he is interested in doing something like that, and we can talk more about design and quantity.
Unique Jambler design will be guaranteed

Jambler could organize raffles that include real physical items for those users willing to accept them and have them shipped either to their home address, their place of work, a PO box, etc. But if the winner doesn't want to give away their personal information, which some don't want to do, the alternative could be to offer the same value of the physical item in BTC. Both types of winners can get a prize that way.

Nah, icopress is right, most people would take Bitcoin payment if they had the option to choose, but Jambler can have multiple winners and different rewards

[Pmalek]

Nah, icopress is right, most people would take Bitcoin payment if they had the option to choose, but Jambler can have multiple winners and different rewards

In that case, just offer the physical items and make it clear that those are the only rewards. Then it's very simple. If you take part in the raffle, you are interested in having said items shipped somewhere, meaning you'll give the Jambler people an address. Alternatively, you can give up your spot to someone else, but then it's worth asking, why would you even participate if you have a problem giving out your address? Let others play and do something else...

[Ahmed94]

Hello everyone, I don't understand how the mixing system works on Jambler. Where do we deposit the BTC? Because I see a section with partners who seem to understand how to mix very clearly, how can I know if they are trustworthy? Thank you.

[examplens]

Hello everyone, I don't understand how the mixing system works on Jambler. Where do we deposit the BTC? Because I see a section with partners who seem to understand how to mix very clearly, how can I know if they are trustworthy? Thank you.

You didn't say clearly what exactly you want to do.
If you want to mix your coins, then choose one of Jambler's partners. (Don't hesitate to check them before use). You can't mix coins directly on Jambler.
If you want to be an investor in the Jambler service, go to https://[banned mixer]/sign-in.php register (must have a Telegram account) and follow the steps.

[Jimmy Wales]

I am interested in one thing, maybe you can give me the correct information. When Jambler is under planned maintenance, does this affect all their partners? Or the service is functional in the background?

First, because Jambler resells to them the coins it receives through short-term user deposits, thus providing them with liquidity.

Why is it profitable for me to use [banned mixer] for investment?

Firstly, we have a stable demand for transactions from stock exchanges for which we are ready to pay a bounty. [banned mixer] constantly purchases output transactions from Bitcoin stock exchanges and provides a bonus of 1% for that. An average time of return on investment is 12 hours. Secondly, our business model is transparent. It demonstrates clearly from which funds [banned mixer] pays commission fees to sellers/investors.

To eliminate risks of getting a cryptocurrency of questionable origin, all investor Bitcoins are checked by the platform scoring system, including blockchain analysis. Transactions which have passed the check, get into the system and transaction which have failed the check, are returned to a customer from the same wallet. This stage makes it possible to terminate attempts of unfair investors to use an investment admittance as a mixer in order to clear their money and gain profit at the same time. [banned mixer] does not capitalize on return of cryptocoins which haven’t passed the scoring check, it is a necessary security measure.

Why the platform scoring system needs to receive BTC, hold it for some time, deduct 0.02% and a commission fee of 0.0001 BTC and then send back to withdrawal wallet? Can't it just ask for the sending address, check and confirm before actually receiving the coins?

Also, from their FAQ, it seems they only accept coins originating from either of the following exchanges...

3.8 What are stock exchanges supported?

Poloniex, Binance, Korbit, Bitfinex, Bitstamp, Pbit, GDAX, Okcoin, Kraken, Gemini, BTCC, CEX.IO, itBit, Simex, Lakebtc, Exmo, Bitbay, Livecoin.

I would like to know if [banned mixer] will accept coins received from erstwhile LocalBitcoins?

[Bitcoin_Arena]

3.8 What are stock exchanges supported?

Poloniex, Binance, Korbit, Bitfinex, Bitstamp, Pbit, GDAX, Okcoin, Kraken, Gemini, BTCC, CEX.IO, itBit, Simex, Lakebtc, Exmo, Bitbay, Livecoin.

I would like to know if [banned mixer] will accept coins received from erstwhile LocalBitcoins?

Is it still possible to withdraw coins from localBitcoins? I thought they stopped withdrawal a while back.
They clearly don't mention Localbitcoins in there is its better to assume they don't accept coins from there.

I would like to however comment on the list. It seems like it's not up-to-date at all.
Pbit?
GDAX now known as coinbase pro
Okcoin now known as OKX
itBit now under paxos.com or so they say.
Simex???
Lakebtc???
Livecoin???

[examplens]

Why the platform scoring system needs to receive BTC, hold it for some time, deduct 0.02% and a commission fee of 0.0001 BTC and then send back to withdrawal wallet? Can't it just ask for the sending address, check and confirm before actually receiving the coins?

I guess 0.02% goes to the AML check of the coin. For example services like https://amlbot.com/#pricing
a fee of 0.0001 BTC is probably to cover the network fee, there is no reason for Jambler to cover such costs.

[JackpotRacer]

OP long time not seen

Maybe if @Pmalek can explain a bit more about [banned mixer] and what is the minimum investment they accept?
Is there a maximum too?

He should know since he carries the signature of [banned mixer].

oh sure also @icopress should be able to answer my question. I am so glad I found this thread.

Cheers

[Pmalek]

Maybe if @Pmalek can explain a bit more about [banned mixer] and what is the minimum investment they accept?
Is there a maximum too?

He should know since he carries the signature of [banned mixer].

oh sure also @icopress should be able to answer my question. I am so glad I found this thread.

Cheers

This isn't the place for your little games. You are not interested in Jambler, you are looking to poke me and icopress in the eye.
The answers to the questions you asked are available on the FAQ page. Not to mention, that the question was already asked and answered in this thread. The minimum investment is 0.04 BTC, the maximum one is 5 BTC per request. However, you can create several requests and invest multiple times.

Having said that, I am not going to answer any of your other questions in this thread.
Why? Because this is what your fragile mind has conjured up: You couldn't get me in trouble with icopress, so you tried to get icopress in trouble with another campaign he manages. Because that failed, you have now slightly changed your tactics. You are going to try to present icopress and myself as bad images to Jambler, hoping to provoke us into saying something nasty or not knowing/wanting to answer your questions. After that, you plan on asking Jambler why they would want us in their campaign and that it would be best to remove us because of how terrible we are.

Did I forget something?
Go away little boy, no one is interested.   

[JackpotRacer]

Maybe if @Pmalek can explain a bit more about [banned mixer] and what is the minimum investment they accept?
Is there a maximum too?

He should know since he carries the signature of [banned mixer].

oh sure also @icopress should be able to answer my question. I am so glad I found this thread.

Cheers

This isn't the place for your little games. You are not interested in Jambler, you are looking to poke me and icopress in the eye.
The answers to the questions you asked are available on the FAQ page. Not to mention, that the question was already asked and answered in this thread. The minimum investment is 0.04 BTC, the maximum one is 5 BTC per request. However, you can create several requests and invest multiple times.

Having said that, I am not going to answer any of your other questions in this thread.
Why? Because this is what your fragile mind has conjured up: You couldn't get me in trouble with icopress, so you tried to get icopress in trouble with another campaign he manages. Because that failed, you have now slightly changed your tactics. You are going to try to present icopress and myself as bad images to Jambler, hoping to provoke us into saying something nasty or not knowing/wanting to answer your questions. After that, you plan on asking Jambler why they would want us in their campaign and that it would be best to remove us because of how terrible we are.

Did I forget something?
Go away little boy, no one is interested.   

You started off well by answering my questions and I thank you for the answers.

but then you could not hold back and attacked me and insulted me. why? no need! it was a legitimate question and I thought you were the right person to ask. this little boy will not go away and certainly not if you tell me to go away.

Once again you have proven that you are not worthy and acceptable to carry any signature and should not even get 1 sat for your insults.

[cry-pto]

If I enter as a seller, where will the bitcoins that will return to me with interest come from?  
Will these coins received with interest be accepted again if reinvested?
or do they have to go through an exchange again?

[JackpotRacer]

This isn't the place for your little games. You are not interested in Jambler, you are looking to poke me and icopress in the eye.
The answers to the questions you asked are available on the FAQ page. Not to mention, that the question was already asked and answered in this thread. The minimum investment is 0.04 BTC, the maximum one is 5 BTC per request. However, you can create several requests and invest multiple times.

Having said that, I am not going to answer any of your other questions in this thread.
Why? Because this is what your fragile mind has conjured up: You couldn't get me in trouble with icopress, so you tried to get icopress in trouble with another campaign he manages. Because that failed, you have now slightly changed your tactics. You are going to try to present icopress and myself as bad images to Jambler, hoping to provoke us into saying something nasty or not knowing/wanting to answer your questions. After that, you plan on asking Jambler why they would want us in their campaign and that it would be best to remove us because of how terrible we are.

Did I forget something?
Go away little boy, no one is interested.   

I think this is the right place to ask questions about Jambler service.
OP Jay Johanson is according to @icopress very proud of you @Pmalek and your disgusting foul language postings while showing Jambler Signature!

Sad but true

Please give me the link where the min and max is written

[GazetaBitcoin]

Hello Jay Johanson!

Since I considered this thread very useful for community at large, I decided to translate it for Romanian local board, in order to bring more visibility over Jambler service. Please find here the Romanian translation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5491345.

I will make sure to update the translation in case the original thread will suffer any change.

I hope this helps.

At same time, I will try to obtain a few more translations for this thread, but I can not guarantee for how many translations will be done. I will get back on this.

[WeedMarket]

is thisc not allowed?
 on a bitcointalk now?

how to become  Investor

[Jay Johanson]

how to become  Investor

It works.

Please visit our telegram group, there is always one of the staff there ready to answer all questions regarding any issues.

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..

Since you are already here, I would be grateful to receive clarification.
I noticed that all your partners have a fixed (network) fee of 0.0007 BTC per address in addition to the regular service fee (which can vary).
What interests me is, how exactly this amount was determined and what part of the costs it covers (talking about those fixed 0.0007 fees)? I assume that it is your fee because all partners have the same amount for it.

Also, with the rise in the price of Bitcoin, this fee is certainly no longer negligible, it is currently around $50. Most of the competitors are much cheaper here, or we can consider this as your targeting of large transactions.

[hugeblack]

I was wondering what would happen if there was a problem with the [banned mixer] partner. Will [banned mixer] be responsible, or will the partners bear the damage of any technical error/scamming?
Is it possible to mix coins without going through https://api.[banned mixer]?

[icopress]

I was wondering what would happen if there was a problem with the [banned mixer] partner. Will [banned mixer] be responsible, or will the partners bear the damage of any technical error/scamming?

Jambler will bear full responsibility and will make a full refund for any case if the digital signature in the letter of guarantee is valid. But if someone deploys the Jambler API, runs ads... and then deletes the API and makes a substitution (and supposedly continues to provide services, then Jambler is not responsible). It is for such cases that Jambler's PGP is indicated in partners' letters of guarantee... so that the user can make sure that the partner really uses Jambler software.

Is it possible to mix coins without going through https://api.[banned mixer]?

This is out of the question. But hypothetically, you can become a partner, deploy the API without deploying the frontend (and as a partner, you can even adjust the commission rate). This way, any mix you make will go through your affiliate node, and you will be the end client of your affiliate node. But what I'm talking about usually happens when testing occurs before deploying the front end.

But if you are talking about sending bitcoins through the investment account, then I can say that from 2018 to this day there have been many attempts by unscrupulous users to abuse the investment function, and it is for such cases that strict control is exercised.

To eliminate risks of getting a cryptocurrency of questionable origin, all investor Bitcoins are checked by the platform scoring system, including blockchain analysis. Transactions which have passed the check, get into the system and transaction which have failed the check, are returned to a customer from the same wallet. This stage makes it possible to terminate attempts of unfair investors to use an investment admittance as a mixer in order to clear their money and gain profit at the same time. [banned mixer] does not capitalize on return of cryptocoins which haven’t passed the scoring check, it is a necessary security measure.

What are stock exchanges supported?

Poloniex, Binance, Korbit, Bitfinex, Bitstamp, Pbit, GDAX, Okcoin, Kraken, Gemini, BTCC, CEX.IO, itBit, Simex, Lakebtc, Exmo, Bitbay, Livecoin.

[hugeblack]

Jambler will bear full responsibility and will make a full refund for any case if the digital signature in the letter of guarantee is valid.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the definition of [banned mixer] Partners^[1], where the Partner is required to create an account, cannot control the deposit addresses,  cannot change the mixing algorithm, Jambler bears full responsibility, all the mixing process takes place via https://api.[banned mixer], we can say:

 - [banned mixer]: is a private mixer that allows all users to interact with api.[banned mixer] using a special token.

 - Partners: They are front-end api.[banned mixer] clones, so there is no difference between them because they all lead to api.[banned mixer], Jambler does not even mention that it customizes an independent mixing algorithm for any partners, the only change is UI design and the commission fees they receive.

Installation code ----> https://github.com/jambler-io/bitcoin-mixer/blob/master/mixer-install.sh


source --> https://[banned mixer]/become-partner.php

Note step number 3, customer sends his coins to [banned mixer] and not to partner.

[1]

How can I create my own Bitcoin mixer?
It is very simple! You do not have to implement mixer algorithms by yourself or seek for finance to form operating assets, we did that for you.

To create your own mixer, you should follow several steps:

1. Register on the [banned mixer] website as a partner, specify a BTC wallet for profit receipt and your mixer commission, configure an automated withdrawal of funds and enter a project name. The platform will generate BTC addresses, issue letters of guarantee on your behalf, control monetary flows and transfer profits to you.

2. Develop website design of your own mixer or use a template which we have prepared for you. In your personal account you can find HTML templates for Tor and Clearnet mixer version, PHP gateway to connect to our system. Download and upload them to your hosting.

[icopress]

[...]

Man, black will not become white just because you call it that, just like Jambler will not cease to be a tool for creating a mixing business. Since 2018, Jambler has not changed the concept of its business, and has never provided services to ordinary users who want to mix bitcoins.

[AB de Royse777]

[...]

Man, black will not become white just because you call it that, just like Jambler will not cease to be a tool for creating a mixing business. Since 2018, Jambler has not changed the concept of its business, and has never provided services to ordinary users who want to mix bitcoins.

Hopefully theymos will give some clarification about this mixing condition.

[icopress]

To put an end to this discussion, I can say that after 3 months of this post (I think it was March 1), I again asked the admin about the status of Jambler, and since then nothing has changed (Jambler is a tool that was created in 2018, the concept of which remained unchanged). If someone is trying to live in a parallel reality that is beneficial to them, then that’s not my problem.

Jambler is not itself a mixer, so it'll be allowed. (It's pretty borderline, though, so I might later reevaluate whether it's exploiting a loophole which should be closed.)

[LoyceV]

since then nothing has changed

It just changed:

Previously, I was under the impression that Jambler was merely a software or platform provider, like Wordpress or AWS. But after reviewing it more closely, it meets the definition of a mixer as written. My mind was especially changed when I saw this diagram from their website:


The diagram clearly shows that Jambler is the actual mixer. They issue the "letters of guarantee", they send the BTC directly to the final customer, etc. The partners are just lightweight proxies in front of the true mixer, which is Jambler. Jambler "has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property", and it meets the other two criteria, so it's a mixer.

(Maybe you could make the case that Jambler's actual customers are its partners instead of the final end-users, but even in that case Jambler is acting as a mixer for its partners. Jambler is the one doing the mixing. So it's still a mixer in either case.)

Since I had previously ruled that Jambler did not meet the definition of a mixer, and I've now changed my mind, there will be a short grace period: Jambler will be wordfiltered (and otherwise treated as a mixer) starting on April 22.

As with other banned mixers, please do not interpret this as a moral judgement. I'm not saying that Jambler is or is not bad.

[examplens]

@Jay Johanson and @icopress,
I don't know if you plan to migrate to another forum, maybe it would be good to do it before April 22 and publish relevant info about the new Jambler ANN. I assume that this thread will end up in the archive, but it will still be available in search.

[icopress]

@Jay Johanson and @icopress,
I don't know if you plan to migrate to another forum, maybe it would be good to do it before April 22 and publish relevant info about the new Jambler ANN. I assume that this thread will end up in the archive, but it will still be available in search.

I've already taken care of this: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320473.0

As soon as Op is there he will edit this thread.