thepiratebay.org banned bitcoinmarkets account due to "bitcoin is ponzi scheme"

[mizerydearia]

* Now talking on #thepiratebay.org
* Topic for #thepiratebay.org is: The Pirate Bay is up but network problems are preventing many people from reaching it.
* Topic for #thepiratebay.org set by Adapa!adapa@B0FH.net at Sun Oct  2 23:11:32 2011
<mizerydea> My thepiratebay.org account was deleted and only a single torrent was affiliated with it, added yesterday or the day before.
<mizerydea> The torrent was in relation to bitcoin and not illegal in any way.
<Agricola> what is user name ?
<mizerydea> bitcoinm
<J0lle> [WTC-SWE] =)
<[WTC-SWE]> bitcoinmarkets !!!
<mizerydea> yep
<Agricola> yeah banned
<mizerydea> why?
<K`Tetch> ponzi scheme
<mizerydea> uhh, what?
<[WTC-SWE]> So you honestly thought i left you unabnned with you damn pyramid games
* [WTC-SWE] sets ban on *!*@cpe-65-30-35-48.wi.res.rr.com
* You have been kicked from #thepiratebay.org by Jallers (Banned)
 No channel joined. Try /join #<channel>

Related: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45969.msg554559#msg554559

Gah, it really fucking sucks when people in charge of or responsible for organizations, corporations, etc are incompetent. =/
I'm quite fuckingly disappointed in The Pirate Bay for this.  

The only tag I applied to the torrent was 'bitcoin.'

I see at http://thepiratebay.org/tag/bitcoin that there are still other torrents with the 'bitcoin' tag and therefore reference of bitcoin being ponzi scheme to justify banning of my account seems to be not quite accurate.

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[Rarity]

You should toss them an e-mail with some more information, sounds like you just ran into a couple of uninformed admins. 

[ElectricMucus]

OP is trolling

sorry for the one liner but it had to be said.

[mizerydearia]

OP is trolling.

sorry for the one liner but it had to be said.

You can easily verify that I am not trolling by joining #thepiratebay.org on EFNet, type /bans and see the ip address listed above as being banned.  Also, you can verify that that IP address is location in Milwaukee, WI, where I live in united states.  If you need verification that I live in Milwaukee, WI, see http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5398 or come on IRC and verify my IRC presence with this forum account and check my IP address.

[julz]

OP is trolling

sorry for the one liner but it had to be said.

If it was worth saying, then it was worth saying with evidence.
As a one liner it's useless even as a hint to investigate more.  
A glance over mizerydearia's previous posts doesn't clarify.

What is the assumed knowledge I am missing that makes this one liner worth taking seriously?

[mizerydearia]

Also, Rick Falkvinge will be speaking at the European Bitcoin Conference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40272.0

[pekv2]

So is he calling Bitcoin itself a ponzi scheme or bitcoinmarkets a ponzi scheme?

Eitherway, how hypocritical they are, while tpb host torrent files leading to illegal content like movies, music, os's etc.

I bet the ones that banned you are 12 y/o's thinking they are tough shit.

What else could be said about the nubs in control over there. Morons.

[mizerydearia]

An article by Rick Falkvinge: http://falkvinge.net/2011/09/29/anonymous-from-b-in-joke-to-sociopolitical-philosophy/

For a while, I’d been noticing a trend in the way people who call themselves Anonymous seemed to think and act. Several days ago, this post on Pastebin summed it up quite nicely for me:

Anonymous is not a group. Many of us form groups, but Anonymous is not about groups.
Anonymous is not a hacker collective. Many of us hack, but Anonymous is not about hacking.
Anonymous does not live on the Internet. Many of us meet and communicate online, but Anonymous is not just about the Internet.

Anonymous is a movement. An idea. A meme. Over years and years, it has grown and matured: beginning like an immature child, pulling pranks and causing chaos with no rhyme or reason; then becoming a formidable activist movement, devoted to the freedom of information and anti-censorship.

...

"... devoted to the freedom of information and anti-censorship."

[Richard Rahl]

I think he was referring to Bitcoin Markets, or w/e torrents you had up, being the pyramid scheme and not Bitcoins.

As you said, they have left other Bitcoin related material alone.

[genjix]

00:47 < genjix> hey
00:47 <+J0lle> hmm.. then im not gonna disturb you any further =)
00:47 < genjix> what do you think of bitcoin?
00:47 -!- [WTC-SWE] changed the topic of #thepiratebay.org to: Thepiratebay: UP| Bayimg: UP | Baywords: DOWN | Suprbay: UP  HTTPS avaible now at SB  | Ask in channel
          before PMing an OP
00:48 < genjix> i heard thepiratebay doesn't like bitcoin... why?
00:48 -!- mode/#thepiratebay.org [+b *!*@31-222-176-99.static.cloud-ips.co.uk] by [WTC-SWE]
00:48 -!- genjix was kicked from #thepiratebay.org by Jallers [Banned]

Hypocrisy from the same people who are supposed to be fighting for free speech.

[Richard Rahl]

Sorry, I'm ignorant.

Who is this guy?

http://thepiratebay.org/user/WTC-SWE/0/7

Looks like just some random uploader who's REALLY into UFO Conspiracy crap.

[mizerydearia]

I think he was referring to Bitcoin Markets, or w/e torrents you had up, being the pyramid scheme and not Bitcoins.

As you said, they have left other Bitcoin related material alone.

Bitcoin Markets is an open source project similar to the closed source/proprietary http://bitcoincharts.com/ project that collects market data from all bitcoin exchanges and prepares the data for view on the web (website still in development), but also #bitcoin-markets (not to be confused with #bitcoin-market (with no s)) shows almost real-time trade data.  I don't see how that project is in any way a ponzi scheme, similarly as to bitcoin charts not being a ponzi scheme.

[mizerydearia]

"I'm pretty sure the whole point of The Pirate Bay is they don't take down torrents"

That may be true, and in this case, they didn't take down my torrent.  They got around that by merely banning my account.

[BitcoinPorn]

I think he was referring to Bitcoin Markets, or w/e torrents you had up, being the pyramid scheme and not Bitcoins.

I hope this is what it is, I'm surprised by this.

[mizerydearia]

I think he was referring to Bitcoin Markets, or w/e torrents you had up, being the pyramid scheme and not Bitcoins.

I hope this is what it is, I'm surprised by this.

See the post two posts above yours.

Bitcoin Markets is an open source project similar to the closed source/proprietary http://bitcoincharts.com/ project that collects market data from all bitcoin exchanges and prepares the data for view on the web (website still in development), but also #bitcoin-markets (not to be confused with #bitcoin-market (with no s)) shows almost real-time trade data.  I don't see how that project is in any way a ponzi scheme, similarly as to bitcoin charts not being a ponzi scheme.

[mizerydearia]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/l00s8/the_pirate_bay_censorban_some_not_all/ - deleted this (a link back to this thread) since it had no comments/discussion and the issue has been resolved.

[mizerydearia]

* Now talking on #thepiratebay.org
* Topic for #thepiratebay.org is: Thepiratebay:  UP | Bayimg: UP | Baywords: DOWN | Suprbay: UP |  HTTPS avaible now at SB  | Ask in channel before PMing an OP
* Topic for #thepiratebay.org set by [WTC-SWE]!WTC-SWE@crew.thepiratebay.org at Mon Oct  3 20:01:15 2011
<mizerydea> thanks for the unban ^_^
<[WTC-SWE]> np at all
<mizerydea> Is it possible the account could be unbanned also?
<[WTC-SWE]> Quote from: Richard Rahl on Today at 12:35:08 AM
<[WTC-SWE]> I think he was referring to Bitcoin Markets, or w/e torrents you had up, being the pyramid scheme and not Bitcoins.
<[WTC-SWE]> ^^^
<[WTC-SWE]> that is exactly what happened
<K`Tetch> we did a panel on bitcoins 4 weeks ago at Dragoncon
<mizerydea> mm.  Okay.  Do you evaluate 'Bitcoin Markets' as not a ponzi scheme now?
<K`Tetch> I do
<K`Tetch> very much a ponzi scheme
<[WTC-SWE]> and for the record i'm not 12 years old-...tell that to the rest of the guys and you can quote me if you wish:)
<mizerydea> K`Tetch: Is http://bitcoincharts.com/ also a ponzi scheme?
<[WTC-SWE]> Anyways as a good will i willlift the ban
<mizerydea> Thanks
<Qwizy> [WTC-SWE] must be 14!!!
<K`Tetch> http://thepiratebay.org/user/ktetch/ the 2011 torrents have the audio for the bitcoin panel
<[WTC-SWE]> mizerydea : As you can see, we don't ban other similar torrents.Anyways i lifted the ban for you.
<[WTC-SWE]> Try to log in so i know you're ok.
<mizerydea> [WTC-SWE], Yep.  I noticed and that was a cause for confusion.  However it makes more sense now.  I logged in to the account, but I see the torrent is gone also.  Can that be restored also or must I reupload it?
<[WTC-SWE]> I'm sorry to say so,but you'll have to reupload it.
<[WTC-SWE]> Give me the hash ,so i can clear it for you.
<[WTC-SWE]> That way you'll be able to reupload it.
<[WTC-SWE]> Look at your client at general..
<mizerydea> [WTC-SWE], 3d54cf85135fe0f122fec2259bfc2e13ab8bd221
<[WTC-SWE]> hash cleared
<[WTC-SWE]> Go ahead and reupload it mizerydea
<mizerydea> thanks
<[WTC-SWE]> and sorry for all trouble.
<Qwizy> Mod went nuts
<[WTC-SWE]> Qwizy : It's not "nuts" it was totaly a missunderstanding.

[mizerydearia]

Even though it was admitted that not bitcoin itself, but the torrent release for 'bitcoin markets 2011.10 sql data dump' was assumed to be a ponzi scheme (or at least that is their excuse for the drama the last couple hours), it should be known that had any of the individuals affiliated with the pirate bay in relation to banning the account and the continued kickbanning of myself, genjix and a few others in #thepiratebay.org who spoke anything of bitcoin (which as far as I know, text content is not ponzi scheme in any possible way) actually glanced at the content or the related forum thread linked in the description, they would have immediately realized that there was nothing to do with 'ponzi scheme.'

I guess it's easy to confuse sql, data or dump with "ponzi scheme"

My idea of one or more of those individuals being incompetent still stands.

Laterly:

<[WTC-SWE]> regarding similar sites/spam/adverts.
<[WTC-SWE]> I'm not an egoist and never been.If i'm wrong i make sure to fix the problem/issue and apologize.
<[WTC-SWE]> mizerydea
<mizerydea> hi
<[WTC-SWE]> Just a headsup...
<[WTC-SWE]> I just read the comment of yours.
<[WTC-SWE]> So listen what i have to say carefully
<mizerydea> sure
<[WTC-SWE]> The whole doesn't circulate around bitcoins ok!
<mizerydea> The whole?
<[WTC-SWE]> Lately the past 3-5 days we had major issues with spammers all over Efnet
<[WTC-SWE]> TPB was one the sites  that was targeted
<[WTC-SWE]> when you joined the second time(or your friend)
<[WTC-SWE]> i thought it was a troll messing around.
<[WTC-SWE]> So it wasn't a personal vendetta against you nor against bitcoins.
<[WTC-SWE]> mizerydea : You can quote me as much you want, but the truth is i don't give a rats ass about bitcoins or whatever.I simply explained to you earlier what happened and if you guys think you're smarter,then by all means....
<[WTC-SWE]> I lifted the ban as expected and cleared the hash for you-
<mizerydea> [WTC-SWE], I understand.  I'm just providing full disclosure of events.
<[WTC-SWE]> If you still think i'm 12 ...then good luck..
<mizerydea> I never made that claim and therefore am not the one who thinks that.
<[WTC-SWE]> My idea of one or more of those individuals being incompetent still stands.   <<--just for that comment i should of permanent ban you,BUT we're TPB and believe on free speech.So you see i'm not the one being "twisted" here.    
<[WTC-SWE]> That is clearly your comment!!
<EG> I love it,someone disagrees with what shit product you peddle so they must be incompetent
<mizerydea> [WTC-SWE], Yes.  It is referring to the initial recognition of the torrent (or the contents to be downloaded affiliated with the torrent file) being evaluated as a ponzi scheme (which I had established understanding of with your initial suggestive comments shortly after I joined to inquire about my account being banned).  I am not sure what led to the evaluation of 'ponzi scheme' by the particular data affiliated with the torrent
<mizerydea> , and I also am not certain or aware of who is involved in the banning of the account.  Therefore my claim of incompetency is not directed at anyone in particular, but is generally aimed at whoever was responsible for such evaluations and related response triggered upon 'ponzi scheme' evaluation (again, the 'ponzi scheme' claim is derived from your initial suggestive comment)
<suzitasti> O.O
<[WTC-SWE]> As i said earlier..The circumstances were thoose that you simply got banned though of similar sites.I've also explained the situation we had recently in here.You got kicked,send another guy in here ..etc...the whole process reminds of spam/troll activity, but you can't be aware of that since you'd proabably never been an op.Even if so ,barely the same stuff to deal with.If i knew you
<mizerydea> oops
<[WTC-SWE]> whereabouts and the quotes of yours an wouldn't accept it.
<mizerydea> K`Tetch's initial claim
<[WTC-SWE]> If you still think we're incompetent then i feel sorry for you
<[WTC-SWE]> Besides you qoute that damn thing even after i apologized to you on behalf of me/TPB
<mizerydea> [WTC-SWE], I'm certain you're fairly intelligent in various aspects, especially technical/technological aspects, however, for this particular issue, I am still a bit skeptical about the level of effort or thought put into making sure the account was banned appropriately instead of mistakenly.
<[WTC-SWE]> That shows low moral and definetely not worthy to arguee with
<[WTC-SWE]> now do me a favor
<[WTC-SWE]> GET OUT OF THIS CHANNEL
* You have left channel #thepiratebay.org (Leaving)

[genjix]

Well that's nice to know that it was a misunderstanding. These things usually are and it can be hard being a mod. I guess bitcoinmarkets did look commercial at first glance, especially if you're busy.

[ineededausername]

Wow what a jackass.
(referring to mr. conspiracy theorist)