Anunymint ban

[Anon136]

What the fuck is wrong with forum..its a cesspit of shit posters and third world bounty whore posters. But when a glimmer of intelligent discussion comes from Anonymint aka Shelby Moore he gets deleted. I dont care what he did or who he pissed off. He is probably the last chance this forum holds any relevance into the next stage of crypto. Geeez wept. Whats wrong with you mods?


For the sake of the crypto community let the guy share discuss and argue his points. Ffs

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

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[Traxo]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

[Anon136]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

I would have taken him more seriously if I knew. Maybe even read some of those huge essays on the wall observer. I always liked that guy back in the early days.

Let's be real though. Hes probably right here right now. Probably reading this. If deleting accounts didn't stop him before it probably won't stop him this time.

[kubricktrader]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

I would have taken him more seriously if I knew. Maybe even read some of those huge essays on the wall observer. I always liked that guy back in the early days.

Let's be real though. Hes probably right here right now. Probably reading this. If deleting accounts didn't stop him before it probably won't stop him this time.

The point is he shouldn't be stopped. Unless the guy committed some serious crime why is he being censored here? My guess is his criticisms of some members here made enemies. Honestly the guy can be obnoxious at times and arrogant but he clearly knows enough to demand as much respect as a Satoshi or a Vitalik IMO. Very sad some mods here are being hard asses about the rules here when this forum has become a ridiculous mess of sock puppets that are allowed to make multiple accounts and often scam people. Whatever anyone think about Shelby he has gone public and doesn't hide behind sock puppets, he is just trying to discuss higher level shit with the right people.


I personally want the Mods to explain fully why he is permanently banned here and him being rude or an asshole simply won't cut it. He should be allowed to post under this real name or this forum for me lost the last drop of credibility it has left. I'm not asking for Shelby and I'm not asking for the mods I'm asking cause I want to read his discussions I doubt he gives a shit. But why push a valued crypto developer into running around with socks like a damn criminal.


*I just noticed im actually being deleted. Wow. This forum really has turned to shit.

[Wind_FURY]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

I would have taken him more seriously if I knew. Maybe even read some of those huge essays on the wall observer. I always liked that guy back in the early days.

You would? Personally, I would not take someone that seriously if he believes that non-mining nodes are not needed for the network, and that only mining nodes matter. I would be very cynical to be frank.

But he was good to have a around for discussion's sake.

Let's be real though. Hes probably right here right now. Probably reading this. If deleting accounts didn't stop him before it probably won't stop him this time.

Hi anonymint. The forum oligarchy banned you.

[aliashraf]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

I would have taken him more seriously if I knew. Maybe even read some of those huge essays on the wall observer. I always liked that guy back in the early days.

You would? Personally, I would not take someone that seriously if he believes that non-mining nodes are not needed for the network, and that only mining nodes matter. I would be very cynical to be frank.

Wouldn't you? Personally, I don't take people that serious who think mining nodes are jokes and everything is about Blockchain.info wallets.
@anunymint, Shelby is a polemic, a warrior. He goes beyond polemics by too much exaggerations and insistings on lost fronts but it is not his fault, it is ours and our prominent figures in bitcoin who have betrayed the cause, the resistance axiom, who have compromised bitcoin.

A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.

As of non-mining nodes issue, it is not about underestimating them, it is about the importance of mining nodes which is being denied, intentionally and hypocritically by people who are in charge here to hide the insane situation with Bitmain with an anti-Bitmain gesture... disgusting.

Hi anonymint. The forum oligarchy banned you.

I'm against banning people in such cases at least but what happened is far beyond banning, It was a slaughter.
A considerable amount of posts, including his and our posts that have quoted him has been removed.
It seems to me like our supreme leader is too busy, so he just issues an assessenation command and his bot agents remove the user and his posts and all the posts that has quoted his posts ... again, disgusting.

[JayJuanGee]

A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.

That's bullshit.

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  Bitcoin is powerful as fuck and powerful as fuck as a disrupter of traditional systems. If you are unwilling or unable to present your ideas amongst the disrupters (meaning core developers and those kind of technical folks), then what the fuck you doing spending a whole hell of a lot of time appealing to the masses with disjointed rants....

Anyhow, if his ideas were so meaningful and great, then perhaps even a BIP or two might be productive to bring attention to those supposed important various matters and to attempt to work with out great minds within core in weeding out the good, bad and the ugly of his ideas.  

Otherwise if he is engaged in an ongoing battle against core, then it merely appears that he is attacking bitcoin rather than attempting to be persuasively and warriorly constructive (and on the right side of the disrupters).

Seems like bullshit to put banned folks like this on a pedestal, and then to proclaim that somehow they have great, wonderful, yet censored ideas, when even while he (anunymint) was posting, he was having difficulties making his ideas clear and even staying on topic, rather than devolving into continued and ongoing ad hominen lambasts.

[vapourminer]

A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.

That's bullshit.

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  Bitcoin is powerful as fuck and powerful as fuck as a disrupter of traditional systems. If you are unwilling or unable to present your ideas amongst the disrupters (meaning core developers and those kind of technical folks), then what the fuck you doing spending a whole hell of a lot of time appealing to the masses with disjointed rants....

Anyhow, if his ideas were so meaningful and great, then perhaps even a BIP or two might be productive to bring attention to those supposed important various matters and to attempt to work with out great minds within core in weeding out the good, bad and the ugly of his ideas.  

Otherwise if he is engaged in an ongoing battle against core, then it merely appears that he is attacking bitcoin rather than attempting to be persuasively and warriorly constructive (and on the right side of the disrupters).

Seems like bullshit to put banned folks like this on a pedestal, and then to proclaim that somehow they have great, wonderful, yet censored ideas, when even while he (anunymint) was posting, he was having difficulties making his ideas clear and even staying on topic, rather than devolving into continued and ongoing ad hominen lambasts.

and yet roach can post his crap all over the place and not get banned??? yet shelby gets banned?? at least shelby is trying to help people preserve their wealth.

forum is full of double standards.

[hornetsnest]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

I would have taken him more seriously if I knew. Maybe even read some of those huge essays on the wall observer. I always liked that guy back in the early days.

Let's be real though. Hes probably right here right now. Probably reading this. If deleting accounts didn't stop him before it probably won't stop him this time.

The point is he shouldn't be stopped. Unless the guy committed some serious crime why is he being censored here? My guess is his criticisms of some members here made enemies. Honestly the guy can be obnoxious at times and arrogant but he clearly knows enough to demand as much respect as a Satoshi or a Vitalik IMO. Very sad some mods here are being hard asses about the rules here when this forum has become a ridiculous mess of sock puppets that are allowed to make multiple accounts and often scam people. Whatever anyone think about Shelby he has gone public and doesn't hide behind sock puppets, he is just trying to discuss higher level shit with the right people.


I personally want the Mods to explain fully why he is permanently banned here and him being rude or an asshole simply won't cut it. He should be allowed to post under this real name or this forum for me lost the last drop of credibility it has left. I'm not asking for Shelby and I'm not asking for the mods I'm asking cause I want to read his discussions I doubt he gives a shit. But why push a valued crypto developer into running around with socks like a damn criminal.


*I just noticed im actually being deleted. Wow. This forum really has turned to shit.

Its a pity that one person can make a decision to simply ban and wipe out a persons posts and hours of time and effort to narrate them all in one go.Even if someone disagrees with someones opinion they shouldnt have the right to be able to simply push a button and get rid of them.They should come on the thread and argue their opposing point.

Protecting the status quo or narrative through this form of censorship is no better than how the mainstream media overlook the opposing elements or use selective truth to suit their own narrative.

His posts had passionate arguments and a lot of indepth insight indicating he was extremely knowledgeable on these matters and people enjoyed reading them even if they didnt agree with some of the points made.

[Traxo]

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  

You’re an expert troll who desires an echo chamber and intentionally obfuscates (archived here and here) that you are unwilling or unable to learn the technological details (archived here and here)

Seems like bullshit to put banned folks like this on a pedestal

You’re jealous when your trolling isn’t effective at maintaining the echo chamber. But this isn’t about putting anyone on a pedastal. It's about removing the groupthink and old boys’ clubs that plunge society into clusterfucked totalitarianism.

Well anyway, it's partly my fault for steering this off course but let's not make this the anonymity discussion thread.

Not really. It was @mprep and his automated scripts that caused this diversion.

Protecting the status quo or narrative through this form of censorship is no better than how the mainstream media overlook the opposing elements or use selective truth to suit their own narrative.

Somebody is awake. Kudos.

people enjoyed reading them even if they didnt agree with some of the points made.

Of course we will not know who was not wearing underwear until the tide rolls out. So all of us can claim he was full of shit, but the confirmation of who is wrong comes in the future.

A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.

True. And good point. But let’s wait to see if the reality some 4 or 6 years from now is not exactly as bad as Shelby has predicted. We can only judge in hindsight not in foresight.

[JayJuanGee]

A warrior is out of options in this situation, he has to over magnify the truth, to make it distinguished from the lies and to bring it out from the shades and shadows.

That's bullshit.

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  Bitcoin is powerful as fuck and powerful as fuck as a disrupter of traditional systems. If you are unwilling or unable to present your ideas amongst the disrupters (meaning core developers and those kind of technical folks), then what the fuck you doing spending a whole hell of a lot of time appealing to the masses with disjointed rants....

Anyhow, if his ideas were so meaningful and great, then perhaps even a BIP or two might be productive to bring attention to those supposed important various matters and to attempt to work with out great minds within core in weeding out the good, bad and the ugly of his ideas.  

Otherwise if he is engaged in an ongoing battle against core, then it merely appears that he is attacking bitcoin rather than attempting to be persuasively and warriorly constructive (and on the right side of the disrupters).

Seems like bullshit to put banned folks like this on a pedestal, and then to proclaim that somehow they have great, wonderful, yet censored ideas, when even while he (anunymint) was posting, he was having difficulties making his ideas clear and even staying on topic, rather than devolving into continued and ongoing ad hominen lambasts.

and yet roach can post his crap all over the place and not get banned??? yet shelby gets banned?? at least shelby is trying to help people preserve their wealth.

forum is full of double standards.

I am not an administrator, and I don't know every single factor.  Sure each of see a bunch of bullshit from Roach, but has he actually violated the same rules as anunymint?  Do you know?  I doubt that there is a double standard, and there is adminstrative discretion regarding when lines are crossed.  Surely, there would be a desire not to ban folks, so it seems pretty fucking difficult to get banned in this forum, but anunymint and several of his alts (apparently) have reached (and breached) that level of nonsense.

Regarding, the supposed substantive importance of anunymint:  I would imagine if he was actually saying something that was so fucking substantively important, then it would either not be deleted or others would be ready, willing and able to say it.. in other words, we are likely not losing much if anything substantively by getting rid of peeps, such as anunymint, who rise to such high level of nonsense to actually get banned from a relatively permissive forum.

[JayJuanGee]

A warrior can learn how to present ideas clearly consisely, persuasively and even forcefully rather than employing various emotional outbursts, irrelevancies and personal attacks.  

You’re jealous when your trolling isn’t effective at maintaining the echo chamber. But this isn’t about putting anyone on a pedastal. It's about removing the groupthink and old boys’ clubs that plunge society into clusterfucked totalitarianism.

You apparently don't understand what is a troll.  You should look in the mirror or look at your fuck buddy, anunymint, as examples of what is a troll. If you spent more time providing good arguments and substance, then perhaps you could get somewhere with your various arguments, instead you and your fuck buddy, anunymint, seem to get caught up on questions of status and personalities. 

Present some good ideas about bitcoin, segwit, lightning, big blocks, security or whatever is your supposed bitcoin (and on topic) questions/concerns concisely and clearly, and perhaps, we could make some substantive progress in our discussion.  I am waiting, waiting, waiting to see it.

[Traxo]

@JayJuanGee, @infofront suggested that we move the offtopic discussion to Meta, but I see you refuse.

I have put my reply to you there in Meta. Please continue your further replies there.

[JayJuanGee]

@JayJuanGee, @infofront suggested that we move the offtopic discussion to Meta, but I see you refuse.

I have put my reply to you there in Meta. Please continue your further replies there.

I just responded to you in that other thread. 

[Anon136]

Haha what the heck. Some mod did this? Well it makes sense I suppose but I feel like there are gods in the sky using me as a toy.

Either way I guess I should be thankful, I am the one that asked that my other thread not be used as an anonymint discussion thread. 

[mprep]

Yeah, it was Anonymint (or at the very least someone pretending to be him). A statement from theymos on why Anonymint is banned from the forum:

He has several accounts all banned for ban evasion. It seems that the underlying offense which caused him to initially get into trouble (and often the thing which causes his alts to get noticed) is excessive multi-posting. But when he was warned and/or temporarily banned for this minor thing, he kept evading his bans. This forum cannot operate unless its few rules are followed, so ignoring the warnings and temporary bans that you receive and continuing to do the same stuff is unacceptable. People who do so are not welcome here.

His bans will not automatically expire, and any future alts we see from him will be permabanned. I may manually reconsider his ban if he promises to actually try not to break forum rules. The rules are not meant to silence anyone, but to keep the forum usable and fair. When someone multi-posts excessively, it monopolizes a thread in a way which harms everyone else's ability to communicate. Based on his posts in this thread, I think that he will just continue to break rules if unbanned, so I will not unban him at this time.

bitcointalk.org is not a normal for-profit company. Even if banning iamnotback somehow stopped all future ad revenue, he would still be banned, since his rule-breaking is disrupting the forum's mission of hosting free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. (As explained above, "free discussion" is not "unmoderated discussion".) Similarly, I would welcome effective competition from decentralized forums, and I would be thrilled to be able to shut down bitcointalk.org in favor of a better-in-all-ways decentralized alternative. But although decentralized forums have existed for a long time (eg. Freenet's FMS is almost exactly what iamnotback keeps describing, and has existed since before Bitcoin), they have unfortunately not been widely used since the era of the semi-decentralized Usenet system, mainly due to vastly inferior usability.

tl;dr he refused to follow the forum's rules, got temp banned several times, ban evaded and continued breaking the rules, got permabanned and continues creating new accounts and ban evading.

For anyone still not aware of the roller coaster that is the Anonymint general discussion thread, feel free to check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0.

[Wind_FURY]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

I would have taken him more seriously if I knew. Maybe even read some of those huge essays on the wall observer. I always liked that guy back in the early days.

You would? Personally, I would not take someone that seriously if he believes that non-mining nodes are not needed for the network, and that only mining nodes matter. I would be very cynical to be frank.

Wouldn't you? Personally, I don't take people that serious who think mining nodes are jokes and everything is about Blockchain.info wallets.

As of non-mining nodes issue, it is not about underestimating them, it is about the importance of mining nodes which is being denied, intentionally and hypocritically by people who are in charge here to hide the insane situation with Bitmain with an anti-Bitmain gesture... disgusting.

Who said mining nodes were a joke? All nodes and any node are important in the network, non-mining nodes or mining nodes. From the node's perspective, they are only fellow nodes and does not care or know that it is a "mining node" or not.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

He doesn’t confirm anything to YOU via Crypto.cat

You are him.

[miscreanity]

Quite aggravating. A curated filter mechanism would be preferable to banning, especially when the ban is arbitrary.

Bitcoin is not a moderated system (yet) and the supporting communication channels also need to be free from authoritarian decree.

I have not been participating on this forum for some time, partially because of the excessive noise and mod actions, mostly due to the fact that Bitcoin is now a mite boring.

Good luck to all those still participating - may you spend ever more time enjoying life rather than starting at displays

[Shelby_Moore_III]

I understand that I, Shelby Moore III (aka Anonymint), even while perma-banned am allowed to create a new user account strictly for posting to the Meta subforum on this anonymously managed and anonymously owned forum bitcointalk.org website which some people mistakenly think is the canonical or official website for discussions related to Bitcoin or the cryptotokens (aka blockchain) ecosystem in general.

Yeah, it was Anonymint (or at the very least someone pretending to be him). A statement from theymos on why Anonymint is banned from the forum:

[…]

tl;dr he refused to follow the forum's rules, got temp banned several times, ban evaded and continued breaking the rules, got permabanned and continues creating new accounts and ban evading.

For anyone still not aware of the roller coaster that is the Anonymint general discussion thread, feel free to check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0.

There are two sides to every story. I explained my side of the story at the following blog:

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption

Please note the section I added to that blog just now (if you had read it before):

Lack of Compassion For the Morbidly Ill

I sometimes wonder if the people who criticize me at bitcointalk.org have any compassion for anything. Sometimes they are highly abusive.

And/or if they completely lack comprehension of what the word delirium means. They must think I am exaggerating when I explain that my mental condition resembled delirium for much of the time from 2013 onwards, and especially so after approximately May 2015 when the Tuberculosis took me down into the worst of it. Even as of 2016, I didn’t know I had Tuberculosis. Here was a copy of my medical report.

Delirium means thoughts are scrambled in a meat grinder.

Basically every fucking day for the past 5 years, I struggled (like a slithering worm that has been stepped on) to stay awake and struggled with the (chronic insomnia) inability to sleep, while constantly being inside of a mental meat grinder and entirely exhausted always. With all due respect to you the reader, I don’t think you have any fucking clue what I was going through. I am blind in one eye and most people can’t even tolerate covering their one eye for 15 seconds, and my blindness is an easy stroll through the park compared to the illness I suffered through.

https://i.imgur.com/44f4UFH.jpg

I know there are others who post on bitcointalk.org that are also chronically ill. But I don’t know if they’re experiencing the same horrific meat grinder delirium, total exhaustion (from years upon years of no sleep), and extreme total body feeling of horrific unwellness, discomfort, and nausea from entire dysfunction (and partial shutdown/devolution) of the digestive, endocrine, and immune systems. Fuck does any reader know what it feels like to slowly die over a period of years while your organs degrade? Those who die from TB usually die from a ruptured blood vessel or organ failure.

Note though even as ill as I was, I didn’t lose appreciation that there are others worse off than me and not to look down on them as so many boyz at bitcointalk.org do thinking they’re superior to the slobs who never bought Bitcoin yet.

Do you realistically expect someone who is as ill as I was to always think clearly, be always fully aware of all their actions, and to be in a cheerful mood? And to endure the sort of ridicule (they also ridiculed Chris Langan who has a 200 IQ) I endured wherein they even blamed my illness, poverty, lack of quality healthcare, problems with my ex-wife, accused me of being a bad parent (c.f. also and also), etc. all on me. WTF? So I should be nice?

And @‍mprep is the moderator for Altcoin Discussion where those linked posts above are located, yet he never did anything to maintain civilized discussion (note I didn’t start that “Bitcoin Killer” thread so I had no power to moderate it although we can see his red colored comments inserted in my posts where he had deleted some of the content in my posts, so clearly he was reading all the attacks against me). Perhaps @‍mprep was bought off as implied by @‍‍stereotype?

You are telling me anunymint was the real anonymint?

He confirms that to me via Crypto.cat, so yes.

He doesn’t confirm anything to YOU via Crypto.cat

You are him.

How many BTC would you like to bet (and lose!) on that?

@Traxo communicates with me regularly on Crypto.cat. I appreciate very much his support and assistance. He is a very kind and understanding person.

He oftens checks in every day with me but sometimes I am too busy to talk to him. Today he didn’t come online probably because it is Sunday and presumably because the past 2 days were exhausting for him. Even I am age 53 and still slightly ill (but significantly improved health) and he AFAIR age 20-something, he can’t keep up with me, lol. (actually he can, we just have only partially overlapping waking hours)

@Traxo is AFAIK in Croatia. I believe he’s in Croatia because he has explained to me about the life there. Whereas, I am in the Philippines. AFAIK, neither of us post from VPNs. I always post from my same PLDT Internet Service Provider unless I am traveling. I have read that @Traxo says he always posts from his Croatian ISP and not a VPN. I do use a VPN when I sign-up new accounts, because this site has banned PLDT presumably because of me (lol), which means no filipinos can sign-up for this forum using the most popular ISP in the country unless they pay a BTC fee after signing up. I avoid that fee by using a VPN to sign-up. After signing up, I switch back to using my PLDT account. Note that although the BTC is minuscule, the transaction fee for sending BTC from wallet (not an exchange) is still unreasonably high for many filipinos to pay.

Quite aggravating. A curated filter mechanism would be preferable to banning, especially when the ban is arbitrary.

Bitcoin is not a moderated system (yet) and the supporting communication channels also need to be free from authoritarian decree.

I have not been participating on this forum for some time, partially because of the excessive noise and mod actions, mostly due to the fact that Bitcoin is now a mite boring.

Good luck to all those still participating - may you spend ever more time enjoying life rather than staring at displays

Most of the truly wealthy such as yourself have left.

I hope you’re enjoying life on the ocean.

I am still slaving away on the computer, trying to get healthy and reach a goal.

Who said mining nodes were a joke? All nodes and any node are important in the network, non-mining nodes or mining nodes. From the node's perspective, they are only fellow nodes and does not care or know that it is a "mining node" or not.

You keep repeating that nonsense even through I carefully explained to you why it is no so and only mining nodes matter.