should Ponzi's be in the gambling section?

[zolace]

It seems clear the mods don't care very much about the gambling section. 

I'm thinking it's time for a forum demonstration.  A protest if you will. 

First thoughts (just spit-ballin' here.  Feel free to focus this / throw out other ideas):

-- 10x posts with the same subject.  "The People of Marketplace/gambling demand removal of Ponzi and Ponzi-esque Sites"
-- other points to list:
---- it appears only few operators are opening many new sites to clutter the front page
---- it appears many of the ponzi sites are copy-pasted to new URLs almost daily
---- the Ponzi game of "next guy needs to send for me to get paid" is not classified as a gambling game.  It is something similar for sure, but we don't want it here.

-- possibly doing this in meta as well to get some attention to the growing problem

Good Idea but there are already 2 other threads and yet and no action has been taken I did get a response from Mage, says he dont see anything wrong and they will die shortly, but if they get just one person from this sight they will keep doing it cause just to make 5 dollars in there poor country can get them a week of food, They will keep doing it.  I think we should flood the Mods With PMS  and the head Mod.  This is the only way we can get this moving faster. before many get scammed

[quone17]

I do think all ponzis should go into some other forum. They've just taken off like crazy and there's no way to tell if one is a scam or not, at least for a beginner.  But I fear the spamming idea will hurt my credibility on the forum.  I'm not sure what else to do.  We can certainly PM admins but I doubt that will do anything.

[Micon]

Pretty embarassing that many are same operator. 

if anyone is familiar with them, can you please lead a "report to moderator" charge at the ones that are simply copy-pastes?  at least try the one-thread-per-site ruling, although akin to nailing Capone for tax evasion, may be the only way to stop this nonsense. 

either way I will keep fighting it, this place is too important for these early stages of btc gambling.

[Maged]

Within the next few minutes I will be moving all of the ponzis that are clearly based on the same script and are not innovative into Games and Rounds. I do apologize, but it wasn't previously mentioned to me that these all use the same script despite using a different domain name. I see this practice as no different than Bitcoinduit, so it will receive the same treatment.

As I mentioned in my sticky, the letter of the rule doesn't matter. All I care about is the spirit of the rule.

[Maged]

Ok, I think that I got everything that was a direct dupe off of the first two pages. Let me know if I missed any or if I made a mistake.

[FUR11]

Ok, I think that I got everything that was a direct dupe off of the first two pages. Let me know if I missed any or if I made a mistake.

Doing the lord's work.

[Maged]

Alas, most of the ponzi sites are legitimately unique. They might use the same backend, but the websites themselves are totally custom.

[Rulishix]

I believe nisaai deserves to stay where it was. I messaged Maged about that.

[FUR11]

There are right now three ponzi threads at the top of the gambling section.

As I mentioned in my sticky, the letter of the rule doesn't matter. All I care about is the spirit of the rule.

The spirit of the rule is that ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes are not gambling.  Thus then they do not belong in the gambling section.  Please relegate these schemes to the far corner of bct.

[fantasycoin]

There are right now three ponzi threads at the top of the gambling section.

As I mentioned in my sticky, the letter of the rule doesn't matter. All I care about is the spirit of the rule.

The spirit of the rule is that ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes are not gambling.  Thus then they do not belong in the gambling section.  Please relegate these schemes to the far corner of bct.

I couldn't agree more with this gentlemen.

[BlueMonkey]

There are right now three ponzi threads at the top of the gambling section.

As I mentioned in my sticky, the letter of the rule doesn't matter. All I care about is the spirit of the rule.

The spirit of the rule is that ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes are not gambling.  Thus then they do not belong in the gambling section.  Please relegate these schemes to the far corner of bct.

I couldn't agree more with this gentlemen.

I'm also agree with him. They not belong in gambling section

[wayneyoyo]

There are right now three ponzi threads at the top of the gambling section.

As I mentioned in my sticky, the letter of the rule doesn't matter. All I care about is the spirit of the rule.

The spirit of the rule is that ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes are not gambling.  Thus then they do not belong in the gambling section.  Please relegate these schemes to the far corner of bct.

I couldn't agree more with this gentlemen.

I'm also agree with him. They not belong in gambling section

They are not , and the ponzi is getting more and more . i am sure the owner have good profit from it since he can invest early or get out of it if theres anything .

[BitcoinCasino.org]

Agreed, ponzi schemes are not gambling. Thus, they should be moved to a more appropriate section, or a new sub-section.

[Vortuarackne]

I honestly dont understand why it cant be classed as a gamble. Some players win, the majority lose.

The crossover comes between an actually Ponzi scheme, which by definition will eventually die, and an owner who is just looking to make a quick buck by running off with a high wallet balance.

[FUR11]

I honestly dont understand why it cant be classed as a gamble. Some players win, the majority lose.

The crossover comes between an actually Ponzi scheme, which by definition will eventually die, and an owner who is just looking to make a quick buck by running off with a high wallet balance.

Gambling involves a stated definition of odds.  When I play blackjack, I know the odds.  When I play craps, I know the odds.  When I play VP or slots, I'm legally allowed to know the hold percentage.  Dice game have stated odds.  Shit, when you buy scratchers, you can look on the back and see the odds.

Schemes don't have odds.  Because they are not fair.  If they said "82.5% of the time, you will 1.2x your money", and had a provably fair way to decide who won and lost, that would be gambling.  They don't.  You just have to hope that the owner decides to not run off with your money AND that enough suckers will invest after you to get a return.  That's not gambling.

[zolace]

More new ponzi everyday, They gonna have to start blocking any threads with ponzi in them, this freaking nuts.  Easy for them to make these cheap websites

Here is a link to show why they should be removed [Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/eO3lq9G.png?1)  Violating TOS

[hilariousandco]

Agreed, ponzi schemes are not gambling. Thus, they should be moved to a more appropriate section, or a new sub-section.

I'd say it's a pretty big gamble. It's more of a gamble than a legitimate investment opportunity that's for sure. If they're allowed or tolerated they should have their own section I think.

[Vortuarackne]

More new ponzi everyday, They gonna have to start blocking any threads with ponzi in them, this freaking nuts.  Easy for them to make these cheap websites

Here is a link to show why they should be removed [Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/eO3lq9G.png?1)  Violating TOS

If bumping is a violation of the TOS, then that should be enforced with every forum member, not just ponzi operators. You really are scraping the barrel now.

[darkmule]

If bumping is a violation of the TOS, then that should be enforced with every forum member, not just ponzi operators. You really are scraping the barrel now.

It already has been against other members.  That's why the free offers some site operators have that require bumping the thread have been moved to Games and Rounds as of months ago.  This should be enforced against Ponzis too.

[zolace]

More new ponzi everyday, They gonna have to start blocking any threads with ponzi in them, this freaking nuts.  Easy for them to make these cheap websites

Here is a link to show why they should be removed [Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/eO3lq9G.png?1)  Violating TOS

If bumping is a violation of the TOS, then that should be enforced with every forum member, not just ponzi operators. You really are scraping the barrel now.

Yeah I took action against a casino who also was bumping there thread, so you should follow the rules and stop bumping your thread.