Newbies are not the only issue on Bitcointalk!

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Ok, this could be unpopular opinion but i'm speaking my mind here and i'm not out to cause trouble or start mud slinging here...but this NEEDS to be said!

As stated in the title Newbies are NOT the only problem here!

I don't think anyone claimed they were the only problem, but everyone stats off as a Newbie, so that is where the issues start. I don't think people should transcend from Newbie unless they've received at least one merit, otherwise all that rank means is you've been here a month. I think if ranks are based on merit then you've at least earned your rank here. If you're a Newbie with 1000 posts and no merit then I think that says a lot.

The last statement to me implies utter contempt to 'newer' members and that anyone new here is of no importance. I'm sorry but i have as much right as anyone else to be here. Yes there are people who've been here longer than i and built this place to what it is, i just don't think it gives someone the right to be judge, jury and executioner just because you rank higher.

I'm only using this as an example of MANY other negative and quite often vindictive behaviour toward other members.

I don't think anyone has made such claims that "newer members are of no importance". Everyone starts off as a newbie, but it's not surprising that people are getting annoyed at the sheer volume of clueless people who are signing up here who have absolutely no interest in bitcoin other than their friend/neighbour/bother/sister told them they can earn by posting nonsense here. And post nonsense they do. Do we really need another thread just asking "bounty or airdrop?", or "is bitcoin going to 0/1/10/100/1 million dollars? No.

And as you can see....i always make lengthy posts!  

Lengthy isn't always good. Often it's better to make posts concise to get your message across.

I completely agree. If a newbie makes a good post here in meta, the comments are like "Whose alt is this ? " .

Oh the irony.

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[TheUltraElite]

All members in a forum must experience as a newbie first. and when it is necessary to adjust to the new environment.

If you are new to the forum you would read the rules and stickies and read more than you post. Thats what I suggest every newbie here but who listens to advice?

lucky if the presence of newbies can bring a better impact for a forum.

A few remarkable posts are often made by some low ranked member but 99.99% of newbies here are shitposting in bounties.

but if you can not get the chance to give him a chance to adjust if he wants to learn from his seniors.

Problem is they dont want to learn. They are more interested in getting paid from shitbounties.

because when we join the community it means we will interact with many people. and will find some variables like feelings, emotions and ego that must be felt, for that do not be discouraged and continue to learn in order to provide a positive effect for a new environment.to watch out for.

In the internet there is no place for any "emotion". Accept and move on is what works here.

[spiker777]

Sometimes being thorough comes off as being annoying and trying to grab merit, particularly when the comment is unusually detailed, or far beyond what would be expected for a generic question for example. It's good to be thorough, but you should also determine when enough is enough, and try to remain concise.

[jackg]

All members in a forum must experience as a newbie first. and when it is necessary to adjust to the new environment.

If you are new to the forum you would read the rules and stickies and read more than you post. Thats what I suggest every newbie here but who listens to advice?

Did you read them though?
I know I didn't read the rules until about full member (they're quite well hidden for newbies, it's not like it's on the registration page)

but if you can not get the chance to give him a chance to adjust if he wants to learn from his seniors.

Problem is they dont want to learn. They are more interested in getting paid from shitbounties.

But now it's turning to not offering them a chance to learn.

Sometimes being thorough comes off as being annoying and trying to grab merit, particularly when the comment is unusually detailed, or far beyond what would be expected for a generic question for example. It's good to be thorough, but you should also determine when enough is enough, and try to remain concise.

Yeah, sometimes it's just quite a lot to read especially if it is accidentally inflated.

[TheUltraElite]

Did you read them though?
I know I didn't read the rules until about full member (they're quite well hidden for newbies, it's not like it's on the registration page)

For different sections which I post in, yes I did read the rules, not just once but several times. I still read them to clear any doubt that arises in my mind while answering someone in a thread to make sure I give them as much correct information as I can and not mislead them.

Even if they are not on the registration page, it came to me naturally to read before posting. Dont know about others though. Some people just like to jump the gun.

But now it's turning to not offering them a chance to learn.

I highly doubt that. They can learn a lot about the forum and crypto and gather merits while doing so even if they seem to be in a dire situation about merits. While the number of merit sources and their patrolling habits is not enough to cover all parts of the forum I think there is always a chance for improvement.

[xtraelv]

The problem with new thread starters is that they usually don't check if there is an existing thread talking about the same thing.

Almost everyone will have been guilty of that at some time - including myself.

Some of the most frequent new duplicate thread starters are well established members. But the hordes of newbies often make things hard to find.

I should also add that the "newbies" that cause the most problems are actually established account farmers. So "newbie" is not really the right term.
Most newbie accounts that cause the problems are multi accounts of bounty hunters or account farmers that sell ranked accounts to bounty hunters and signature spammers.

Which is part of a much wider problem - the injustice of poverty. Some of the bounty spammers see it as their only way to earn a living.

In 2016 and  2017 I started no new topics. The conversation I had was in threads started by others. If nobody started new topics it would be a dull place but if people were more careful as to the reasons for starting a new thread it would make it easier to read.

Another thing that would make it easier to read is if people read opinions of others already voiced in the threads. This is why I find some of the bitcoin threads so hard to read - because it is so repetitive.

Meta seems to be the least dull place on the forum with many new interesting things brought up daily. So posters get criticized here for bad posting habits.

The problem seems to be lack of prior research.

The problem can be viewed here


EDIT:
Use the search function (especially google for bitcointalk specifically)



For newbies - this is a good place to find nice threads to read if you don't want to search through loads of boring posts:

I tend to follow my favorite posters by checking where they have posted.

At the bottom of their profile:



(A bit stalker-ish - I know - but they find good posts for me without even realizing it   )

Another good place to find stuff is:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats