MUST READ article on our bitcoin future

[mosley]

This.  This 1000x.  We can change and make bitcoin better.

http://www.bitcoinsachs.us/editorials/we-need-to-talk/

[BittBurger]

"We have continuously alienated new people by being curt or just assholes."

This happened in spades last week when I went to Litecoin forum and asked for help with my mining rig.
I all but got humiliated, mocked, and kicked in the ass as I ran out the front door while everyone was laughing.
Seriously.  All because I didn't know what I was doing with my troublesome hardware setup.

Anyways, thats not the point of the article.
Big +1 on everyone reading this article.

Good find.

-B-

[RodeoX]

Amen.
It has been a struggle to evolve a culture when so many are always streaming in. Especially when so many newbies have misunderstood what they are in for. They heard in the news that they can get rich making tax free on their PC. Once here they get distracted by scams or irrelevant side projects.  No wonder they leave frustrated.
 

[DooMAD]

I agree with the parts about more focus being placed on infrastructure, products, and services, along with making more information and help available to newcomers.  But as usual, talking about government regulation being needed without any idea of how that would be implemented effectively makes me lose interest in the overall message.  It doesn't matter how many people say we need regulation, unless a single person could tell me how it could actually be done without killing the currency by turning it into some bureaucratic quagmire, I'm not interested.  Because that's what it would turn into.  An absolute, unmanageable clusterfuck of red tape and government manipulation.  

Also, anyone who actually understands the point of decentralised money would instantly jump ship to another unregulated currency.

[runam0k]

This is why I love Zetacoin and know it will succeed. The people behind have revolutionary thinking.  They can lead us into not only making bitcoin stronger, but more sustainable.  

Why must every thread have at least one of these painfully obvious alt coin pump posts?

[arousr]

This is why I love Zetacoin and know it will succeed. The people behind have revolutionary thinking.  They can lead us into not only making bitcoin stronger, but more sustainable.  

Why must every thread have at least one of these painfully obvious alt coin pump posts?

I agree this is annoying. 

(btw check out AnnoyingCoin it's the future!) 

[seriouscoin]

This is why I love Zetacoin and know it will succeed. The people behind have revolutionary thinking.  They can lead us into not only making bitcoin stronger, but more sustainable.  

Go suck their dicks then retard

and get the fck off this forum

[Elwar]

In summary:

Collectivist wants a circle jerk of friends to get along and play nice.

Try moveon.org or go join a fraternity or something.

Bitcoin is a currency. Not a club.

[justusranvier]

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?showDataPoints=false&timespan=all&show_header=true&daysAverageString=7&scale=0&address=

[LiteCoinGuy]

"We have continuously alienated new people by being curt or just assholes."

This happened in spades last week when I went to Litecoin forum and asked for help with my mining rig.
I all but got humiliated, mocked, and kicked in the ass as I ran out the front door while everyone was laughing.
Seriously.  All because I didn't know what I was doing with my troublesome hardware setup.

Anyways, thats not the point of the article.
Big +1 on everyone reading this article.

Good find.

-B-

Sorry for that. Normally the answers are quite nice.

Do you have a link?

[BittBurger]

Will PM it.  Didn't mean to hijack this thread.

[gentlemand]

Communities like this combine the sainted combo of a youtube comments box and shit tons of money and greed.

Historically that's rarely been a recipe for a band of cheerful souls spreading the love.

As a protocol and currency it's lovely. If you choose to start participating with (some) of the people involved it's not going to do your mental health much good.

[Beliathon]

Agreed, OP. Well said by BitcoinWife.

I see the same thing on the Star Citizen forums (another boy's club).

The problem basically all comes down to the extremely fucked up way our culture socializes young boys.

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc45-ptHMxo

[DeathAndTaxes]

Sincerely I over-estimated Bitcoin development.

Unlikely (at least based on your examples)

Protocol is immature, it has duplicate fields adding to traffic,

Please name some specific examples along with an analysis of the % bandwidth savings.  Compare that to the cost of a hard fork in terms of risk.

it has no SSL

Why would you SSL something which is public knowledge? 
SSL is useful to either protect privacy (the blockchain is public information) or to authenticate the other party (which in this case is an anonymous peer).

it is dependent not on medium-speed solver but on the fastest solver breeding with inevitable consolidation - pools or one megapool.

This was Satoshi solution since v0.  The idea that proof of work would simply be dropped in v0.8 is kinda silly.  If your goal is for a consensus system that doesn't use PoW you shouldn't be looking at Bitcoin.  At this point that is one aspect which will never change.

the vanilla wallet is understandable to developers only

120K or so people would disagree with you.  Of course YOU have already developed and release a superior wallet right?  What was that link?

blockchain is just a concatenation of blocks with no compression or any sorting done.

Blocks are sequential.  What other sorting would be beneficial?  Alphabetical?  The UXTO is index which is the subset of the blockchain used in validation.
As for compression.  Try compressing the blockchain let me know what you find out.   Hint: cryptographic hashes are indistinguishable from random values and thus are incompressible.

Seriously stop playing money and start making solid software.

What development have you done for Bitcoin?  No need, I already know the answer.

[thresher]

This article makes sense, but then also shows the point why we can't do anything.
The demographic, white college educated males under 30....   The majority of people in that demographic have massive student loans, are unemployed, have shit jobs, don't own any major companies that they could accept bitcoin with, lack powerful connections, you get where i'm going with this.
Bitcoin and litecon mining, trading, etc, is really the only legal option for many of us to try and make some decent extra income or if luck has it become wealthy.

"We have continuously alienated new people by being curt or just assholes."

This happened in spades last week when I went to Litecoin forum and asked for help with my mining rig.
I all but got humiliated, mocked, and kicked in the ass as I ran out the front door while everyone was laughing.
Seriously.  All because I didn't know what I was doing with my troublesome hardware setup.

Anyways, thats not the point of the article.
Big +1 on everyone reading this article.

Good find.

-B-

Its bighead syndrome.  When people have a knowledge others do not they get inflated opinions of themselves and don't understand not everyone is as great as them.   

[DeathAndTaxes]

This.  This 1000x.  We can change and make bitcoin better.

http://www.bitcoinsachs.us/editorials/we-need-to-talk/

While I don't disagree with anything in the article it is simply a restating of what is "wrong" with the crypto-currency movement without any agenda or plan to improve it. There author says there should be more focus on education.  Ok.  I don't think many people will argue with that.  So what is the authors plan?  Is this article the launching of the first in a twenty part education video aimed at crypto-currency novices? No.  The author proposes and has done nothing to provide education.

On the other hand you have people like Andreas who simply decided (without the need for self aggrandizing speech about what is wrong) to start actually ... educating people.

One article, one podcast, and one tv appearance at a time.  His large number of podcasts and articles got him invited to speak at conferences and that has led to media outlets asking him to speak on the air.

Most recently:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1yWihBNA4

I will take one Andreas over 100,000 articles linked in the OP.  Did the author in the article forget about people like Andreas or was it just not convenient to the narrative, which paraphrased is "Bitcoin sucks and only I can see it"?

[mosley]

I think the point many of you are missing is that we've gotten away from the ideals bitcoin was under-- namely to stop the greed of the big banks and reclaim our monetary system.  However, most of the community only cares about pump and dumps, insider trading and manipulation.  Most are just as bad  if not worse than what BTC was rebelling against.  The article doesn't pretend to have any answers, but aims to open up a dialogue on how to continue to grow this community before we all eat each other alive.

[DeathAndTaxes]

I think the point many of you are missing is that we've gotten away from the ideals bitcoin was under-- namely to stop the greed of the big banks and reclaim our monetary system.  However, most of the community only cares about pump and dumps, insider trading and manipulation.  Most are just as bad  if not worse than what BTC was rebelling against.  The article doesn't pretend to have any answers, but aims to open up a dialogue on how to continue to grow this community before we all eat each other alive.

I can't control what other people do, I can control what I do.  Are there ignorant, greedy, untrustworthy people in the Bitcoin "community" (and I use the term loosely).  Absoluete.   Last time I checked there are ignorant, greedy, untrustworthy people in the human race.

I am not going to eat anyone alive, nobody is going to eat me alive either.  I will wakeup each day and go to work trying to improve the services our clients have come to rely on.  In my free time I try to break complicated concepts down to a level that a non-developer can understand.  Based on feedback it seems I am succeeding at least part of the time at both.  What "everyone else" does is beyond my sphere of influence. 

So who is the "open dialog to"? The people who are ignorant, greedy, and dishonest, who I would imagine aren't going to be receptive?  The people who are not and thus it is just preaching to the choir?

[James-Cryptonomics]

This is perfectly written. I tried recently to write an article addressing a few of the issues the author raised and was met by a barrage of criticism, so I understand why the author says that people will not like what he is saying. But it is true. I do think the larger bitcoin community need to discuss rationally the coins future, and how we all can be helping it along. Here here......

[James-Cryptonomics]

Also this thread here highlights why I love bitcoin talk, and get frustrated with reddit. Just look at the responses: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y5jj9/we_need_to_talk/