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July 26, 2018, 08:01:20 PM
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I see many people keep on trolling the bitcoin whenever it goes peak.


Personally I assume the bitcoin for long time in all the aspects so I have strong faith on bitcoin and it will be reach the peak value again in the market. I expect the bitcoin to touch the 20k USD on this coming christmas.


If you do not like the crypto currencies you may stay away but should not troll.

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July 26, 2018, 09:01:29 PM
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I see many people keep on trolling the bitcoin whenever it goes peak.

well, you must understand the side of people. People bought when the price was $18000 and if they did it was probably because there were many analysts who made very high price forecasts, we are saying that had analysts who predicted that by January 2018 the price of bitcoin would be $40,000. then comes January 2018 and the price drops to $6000, see that this was a big loss for many people, it was the high expectations of the people that were taken, so it is normal for people to be hurt.

Personally I assume the bitcoin for long time in all the aspects so I have strong faith on bitcoin and it will be reach the peak value again in the market. I expect the bitcoin to touch the 20k USD on this coming christmas.

I think it's very difficult for the bitcoin price to reach $20,000 later this year, with the pressure from governments and regulations, it's very difficult to have large price increases

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July 26, 2018, 09:04:44 PM
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I see many people keep on trolling the bitcoin whenever it goes peak.


Personally I assume the bitcoin for long time in all the aspects so I have strong faith on bitcoin and it will be reach the peak value again in the market. I expect the bitcoin to touch the 20k USD on this coming christmas.


If you do not like the crypto currencies you may stay away but should not troll.

IGNORE THE NEGATIVE POSTER AND SUPPORT BITCOIN.

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July 28, 2018, 06:51:02 AM
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Again, you can't please anybody here. This is a community and everyone is free too expressed their opinion. I think trolls makes this community more lively and inter active. Kwukduck for one is one Legendary known for his anti-bitcoin sentiments, and we could have thousands of arguments against him, but at the end of the day, its a good and healthy discussion.

What I don't like though, is the way this shills after newbie traders and investors. And that task is up to us to tell newbies and trying argue against those trolls and prove them wrong. There's no better and satisfying feeling shutting down those trolls.  Grin

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July 28, 2018, 07:02:34 AM
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I see many people keep on trolling the bitcoin whenever it goes peak.

well, you must understand the side of people. People bought when the price was $18000 and if they did it was probably because there were many analysts who made very high price forecasts, we are saying that had analysts who predicted that by January 2018 the price of bitcoin would be $40,000. then comes January 2018 and the price drops to $6000, see that this was a big loss for many people, it was the high expectations of the people that were taken, so it is normal for people to be hurt.

Personally I assume the bitcoin for long time in all the aspects so I have strong faith on bitcoin and it will be reach the peak value again in the market. I expect the bitcoin to touch the 20k USD on this coming christmas.

I think it's very difficult for the bitcoin price to reach $20,000 later this year, with the pressure from governments and regulations, it's very difficult to have large price increases


Yeah exactly, it all depends on what that person's experience with bitcoin is. Far too many jumped on the train when the buying madness was at its peak, and then they got disappointed when the forecasts for the moon ended up crashing back down to the earth. Unfortunately, a lot of these people blame the coin before taking into account that it was they themselves who decided to click that button and put the money into it. Who believes forecasts anymore anyways? It's impossible to take everything into account at any given moment, and markets are so dynamic that a forecast I make now can easily be changed tomorrow. Just look at any historical data from governments or investment banks about forecasting and compare it with the real prices. I bet almost all of them were way off the mark.

I'd agree with your opinion about having trouble reaching 20k as well though. After such a huge rally it's hard to regain steam so quickly.
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July 28, 2018, 07:18:11 AM
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Unfortunately, success comes with many "side effects". FUD and trolling are almost inevitable aspects of success, it simply comes along with the territory. Bitcoin being the most successful cryptocurrency, will always be the benchmark - at least for many years to come.

The positive aspect of this is that even bad coverage is good coverage. Every FUD and trolling helps bring it into the consciousness of the public, and those who know to do their own research will realise the FUD is false.

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July 28, 2018, 02:45:36 PM
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I think it's very difficult for the bitcoin price to reach $20,000 later this year, with the pressure from governments and regulations, it's very difficult to have large price increases
I am also inclined to this trend, not because of "price manipulation," but because of the lack of positive factors that were in the past year, for example, free money from BitcoinCash, forks, positive news, continuous highs, and significant differences between platforms.
In the same way, I also ruled out a drop below $ 5,000.
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July 28, 2018, 04:08:26 PM
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Maybe they are bitcoin haters who got jealous by seeing the growth of bitcoin over the years.This year also we looks like getting ready for new all time high in the price of crypto currencies because from the second half of this year the bitcoin price started to move.

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July 28, 2018, 04:30:54 PM
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Yes there are many of them exist in the cryptocurrency world when the value increases they are buying many of it and the value increases more if there are people who will sell their bitcoin they will follow them so the result will be going down of its value. So better to stay away from them if you know someone.
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July 29, 2018, 09:57:42 AM
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well, you must understand the side of people. People bought when the price was $18000 and if they did it was probably because there were many analysts who made very high price forecasts, we are saying that had analysts who predicted that by January 2018 the price of bitcoin would be $40,000. then comes January 2018 and the price drops to $6000, see that this was a big loss for many people, it was the high expectations of the people that were taken, so it is normal for people to be hurt.


I also have this view that people will continually get burnt in this market because this is the true nature of business, you lose someday and you gain someday  Grin. People will keep diving into "hot waters " for the market to continue moving, so we might not see trolling ending.
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Bitcoin has a lot of potential and maybe potentially replace fiat currency and the current monetary system that is exploiting, oppressing it's citizens this should not how a currency works. A currency needs to be free from third party tracking, regulations and is convenient to use fast and secure. They can laugh now but soon they'll be using it as payment.

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July 29, 2018, 07:25:12 PM
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I see many people keep on trolling the bitcoin whenever it goes peak.

well, you must understand the side of people. People bought when the price was $18000 and if they did it was probably because there were many analysts who made very high price forecasts, we are saying that had analysts who predicted that by January 2018 the price of bitcoin would be $40,000. then comes January 2018 and the price drops to $6000, see that this was a big loss for many people, it was the high expectations of the people that were taken, so it is normal for people to be hurt.

Personally I assume the bitcoin for long time in all the aspects so I have strong faith on bitcoin and it will be reach the peak value again in the market. I expect the bitcoin to touch the 20k USD on this coming christmas.

I think it's very difficult for the bitcoin price to reach $20,000 later this year, with the pressure from governments and regulations, it's very difficult to have large price increases


Prediction can be done anyone but all will not gonna be true in the market bro. I love to go with the marketplace movement and make the trading accordingly. I do not think trolling is comes with that one reason alone. May be we may find more problems because of these people.

I too know about regulations bro but how it can be stopped. There are many people go to invest on bitcoin. As number of users increased everyday on crypto currencies then who can stop the bitcoin. Then we have to understand it bitcoin is decentralized cryptocurrencies. So that is why I believe bitcoin will touch the 20k USD.
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July 31, 2018, 12:52:46 AM
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Some are trolls but there are people left who are still entitled for their opinion to speak as a counter to us.

We may feel upset whenever they appear to these threads and share their sentiments on how pessimistic they have been. But there are also people who have been feeling bad since they have bought at the peak and like today, they never sold when it went down.

I can understand the feeling of their lost but its inevitable to see pessimistic people everywhere.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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July 31, 2018, 05:11:10 AM
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That is the truth. Because there are guys who are always looking for opportunities to create FUDs when they are left behind. We will not avoid that, they will not stop when the goal is not completed. But we can limit that if we are fully aware of bitcoin and crypto.
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July 31, 2018, 06:30:07 AM
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That is the truth. Because there are guys who are always looking for opportunities to create FUDs when they are left behind. We will not avoid that, they will not stop when the goal is not completed. But we can limit that if we are fully aware of bitcoin and crypto.


And this is the importance of having conviction. We believe in what we have, so these people don't even faze us. We don't have to pay attention to the FUD if we don't want to, and if we ignore it, they'll feel even more useless for spreading something that no one cares about. It's like facing an angry friend with a smile on your face. If you don't return their negative energy, they can't continue giving you theirs. We have the belief in crypto and the knowledge of it, so we've got nothing to worry about.
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August 01, 2018, 09:41:00 AM
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cryptocurrency is our future
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August 01, 2018, 10:32:52 AM
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I also like Bitcoin very much. I like it because it is the first coin I know, and its mechanism is very attractive to me, although it does not bring me too much profit, but hobbies and make money. It doesn't matter!

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August 01, 2018, 10:54:34 AM
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I see many people keep on trolling the bitcoin whenever it goes peak.

well, you must understand the side of people. People bought when the price was $18000 and if they did it was probably because there were many analysts who made very high price forecasts, we are saying that had analysts who predicted that by January 2018 the price of bitcoin would be $40,000. then comes January 2018 and the price drops to $6000, see that this was a big loss for many people, it was the high expectations of the people that were taken, so it is normal for people to be hurt.

Personally I assume the bitcoin for long time in all the aspects so I have strong faith on bitcoin and it will be reach the peak value again in the market. I expect the bitcoin to touch the 20k USD on this coming christmas.

I think it's very difficult for the bitcoin price to reach $20,000 later this year, with the pressure from governments and regulations, it's very difficult to have large price increases

But it is still not impossible. If bitcoin price can decrease from 20000$ to 60000$, then no doubt that it can recover its previous high price less in less time. I am still sure about bitcoin price that it will surely reach to 20000$ before the end of 20118.
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August 01, 2018, 12:21:35 PM
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Some of them creating FUD took opportunities on it. They want the market to go down so they can buy on dip. It is their strategies. But some also the have their bad experience and the only way to express their disappointment is to create FUD.  If you like Bitcoin so much, you must avoid them and create your own way to be positive.
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August 01, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
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There are things that we can not influence. Refers to them must be calm and understanding. Conclusions are appropriate.
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