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The US may be ready to target Iran’s nuclear facilities soon amid a bellicose exchange of threats between the two countries, ABC reported. However, Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull dismissed the claim as “speculation.” The outlet cites senior figures in the government of Malcolm Turnbull, who believe the United States is “prepared” to bomb Iran's nuclear sites. The grim prediction suggests the move could happen as early as next month. The report comes at a time when tensions between Washington and Tehran are hitting boiling point. In one of the latest exchanges of threats between the two nations, Iran said that a war with it would be the “mother of all wars.” This prompted Donald Trump to issue a harsh response, warning that Iran would face“consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before.” https://www.rt.com/news
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Iran's economy is currently collapsing and in crisis similar to venezuela and other nations. I doubt there will be a war. The USA can do nothing and iran will likely crumble on its own.
Iran's economic and recent social upheavel are not being widely reported. There could be a serious independence movement there similar to #brexit, the arab spring, catalan independence and similar trends.
It helps to know there was a deal made years ago where the united states would supply iran with billions of dollars and resources. All of which could help iran to build nuclear weapons faster. Trump recently cancelled that deal. That is where the recent conflict between iran and the USA comes from.
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The Iranian rial fell to 112,000 to the dollar on the black market exchange from 98,000 to $1 the previous day, the Associated Press news agency reported. Meanwhile, the official exchange rate was 44,070 to the dollar, compared to 35,186 at the beginning of the year. https://www.rferl.orgIran is spooked
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That's just what we need is more war. The saddest thing is that so many innocent people suffer in these wars. The people don't really have any control over the stupid games their leaders are playing, but they could result in bombs flying over their houses. I don't really know what going on with the Iranian government, but I've been meaning to visit Iran for quite some time now. Everybody I know, who has visited Iran, has said that the people are extremely hospitable. They are always so happy to see foreigner and want to make sure they have a good time. I really hope I can go to Iran before somebody ruins it like they did Syria. Or course, I actually hope nobody ruins it.
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Iran's economy is currently collapsing and in crisis similar to venezuela and other nations. I doubt there will be a war. The USA can do nothing and iran will likely crumble on its own.
Iran's economic and recent social upheavel are not being widely reported. There could be a serious independence movement there similar to #brexit, the arab spring, catalan independence and similar trends.
It helps to know there was a deal made years ago where the united states would supply iran with billions of dollars and resources. All of which could help iran to build nuclear weapons faster. Trump recently cancelled that deal. That is where the recent conflict between iran and the USA comes from.
This right here, if the US really wants to bring some BIG issues to Iran they'll continue their push for sanctions (from the US, and from other allied countries -- mostly Europe as this is going to hurt Iran the most) Then they'll go support some other democratic candidate, fund some opposition, and then boom -- the entire country is crumbling without even having to put boots on the ground. There is a lot governments can do to avoid war, isn't it crazy that they won't sometimes? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) -- HINT HINT
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I think that a lot of Americans think that an invasion of Iran would be similar to Iraq because their names are just one letter apart. But in reality, Iran has a vastly larger economy. Conquering large amounts of territory could only be successful (maybe) if the US entered near-total-war mode, which isn't going to happen. Iran can't do much about airstrikes, though. Iran's economic and recent social upheavel are not being widely reported. There could be a serious independence movement there similar to #brexit, the arab spring, catalan independence and similar trends.
I guess that's what the US is hoping for, but I've heard that despite economic conditions, Iran does not suffer from severe social unrest yet.
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I think that a lot of Americans think that an invasion of Iran would be similar to Iraq because their names are just one letter apart. But in reality, Iran has a vastly larger economy. Conquering large amounts of territory could only be successful (maybe) if the US entered near-total-war mode, which isn't going to happen. Iran can't do much about airstrikes, though. Iran's economic and recent social upheavel are not being widely reported. There could be a serious independence movement there similar to #brexit, the arab spring, catalan independence and similar trends.
I guess that's what the US is hoping for, but I've heard that despite economic conditions, Iran does not suffer from severe social unrest yet. In reality, not only are there huge number of Iranians but their currency is so devalued, everyone wants to move out of there, and they are slowly doing so. Most of them are moving to the Middle Eastern countries like Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Oman,Qatar. The Iranians are nice people in general, and they are very patriotic from what I have heard. They don't care much about money and them crumbling isn't gonna happen soon, the thing is that most of the Iranians run small businesses. They can only survive on that and nothing else. Little part of me tells that the US is the reason why Iranians are facing this terrible fate and right now, something miraculous needs to happen. Their patriotism isn't gonna change anything if they do nothing. Iran's economy is currently collapsing and in crisis similar to venezuela and other nations. I doubt there will be a war. The USA can do nothing and iran will likely crumble on its own.ecently cancelled that deal. That is where the recent conflict between iran and the USA comes from.
I hardly think so. If US has a motive that goes against the likes of Iran, you can definitely see a war. And US aren't focusing on Iran right now because of the Kim Jong Un's latest change of plans.
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July 30, 2018, 10:49:07 AM |
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I think that a lot of Americans think that an invasion of Iran would be similar to Iraq because their names are just one letter apart. But in reality, Iran has a vastly larger economy. Conquering large amounts of territory could only be successful (maybe) if the US entered near-total-war mode, which isn't going to happen. Iran can't do much about airstrikes, though. Iran's economic and recent social upheavel are not being widely reported. There could be a serious independence movement there similar to #brexit, the arab spring, catalan independence and similar trends.
I guess that's what the US is hoping for, but I've heard that despite economic conditions, Iran does not suffer from severe social unrest yet. In reality, not only are there huge number of Iranians but their currency is so devalued, everyone wants to move out of there, and they are slowly doing so. Most of them are moving to the Middle Eastern countries like Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Oman,Qatar. The Iranians are nice people in general, and they are very patriotic from what I have heard. They don't care much about money and them crumbling isn't gonna happen soon, the thing is that most of the Iranians run small businesses. They can only survive on that and nothing else. Little part of me tells that the US is the reason why Iranians are facing this terrible fate and right now, something miraculous needs to happen. Their patriotism isn't gonna change anything if they do nothing. Iran's economy is currently collapsing and in crisis similar to venezuela and other nations. I doubt there will be a war. The USA can do nothing and iran will likely crumble on its own.ecently cancelled that deal. That is where the recent conflict between iran and the USA comes from.
I hardly think so. If US has a motive that goes against the likes of Iran, you can definitely see a war. And US aren't focusing on Iran right now because of the Kim Jong Un's latest change of plans. it is super simple ... 1. israel and iran total war... iran believe israel must be wiped of the map. 2. Iran is part of the Shanghai defense integration and liberation front. this is a big problem... the easy solution is for shanghai to wipe the iranians who opposes the israelis. however this contrary to the practice of non interfering in the domestical matter... however, yeah, here it start to get messy.... and forget the side issues, those are the real ones. of course the iranians leadership hide behind this hate of israel to loot, rape and exploit the iranians people. and the masterkill in all of this? iran population explosion and hydric stress... this is the real killer under all this show. and the real question: why shall american boys have to die there? it's easy to start a war with iran... how to end it is way more difficult... and forget your "beast" mode... if you want to see hell, military chinese advisors + martyrs of allah defending their home land... it's like the israelis... their backs on the sea and 360 enemies.
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I would find it unlikely and unwise to attack Iran “next month”. Sanctions have not yet been put into full effect yet and won’t until at least November.
I suspect the US will first appeal to the people of Iran (and those in military power) to overthrow the current regime.
I suspect that any invasion of Iran would likely be lead by Israel and possibly the Saudis and the US will either provide Air support, including offensive bombings, and possibly with supply pipelines, but I don’t think Tripp’s will be on the front lines.
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I would find it unlikely and unwise to attack Iran “next month”. Sanctions have not yet been put into full effect yet and won’t until at least November.
I suspect the US will first appeal to the people of Iran (and those in military power) to overthrow the current regime.
I suspect that any invasion of Iran would likely be lead by Israel and possibly the Saudis and the US will either provide Air support, including offensive bombings, and possibly with supply pipelines, but I don’t think Tripp’s will be on the front lines.
there will be no invasion, that would be a sure way to maximalize american deaths... totally useless. But the iranians should really think a little right now... they continue with their will to destroy israel, they will end worst than syria... summer is great... water access is harder. anyway, when you think about the size of the operation needed to finish the iranian gov (meaning they have no capacity left what so ever, but mass burials), I think it will even be day time... http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-iran-nuclear-20170830-story.html"Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear ... As the Trump administration raises pressure on U.N. inspectors to demand access to Iranian military sites, Iran insists it won't allow such visits." let me joke... first the coast will be cleared of all life form, and then it will be down in a few minutes (I mean it could be days) but all in all... it's just a kinetic/logistical question. the thing where the iranians and their supporters are wrong, is that they don't understand that many israelis speak farsi... no need for translators, and what the iranians gov and most of the populatio say is clear as diamond...
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I just don't know why US government join every war in the other country , and there are some info that they don't just join it , they made it . Every country have oils or a lot of resources have been being in war and there is always a hero try to "save" that country , and it's American ....! Including my country ![Lips sealed](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/lipsrsealed.gif)
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I just don't know why US government join every war in the other country , and there are some info that they don't just join it , they made it . Every country have oils or a lot of resources have been being in war and there is always a hero try to "save" that country , and it's American ....! Including my country ![Lips sealed](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/lipsrsealed.gif) I often wonder the same thing. It's like they have to be the heroes of the world. The propaganda there talks about other countries like it is their duty to "protect" the whole world. They constantly talk about terrorism. They create so many "enemies" for themselves in the media. This is all done to justify all the military spending. If anybody suggests cutting military spending, somebody will answer, "But how? There are so many enemies? You want them to attack us?" So, they just continue invading countries and stealing resources.
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Iran can't do much about airstrikes, though.
We got your stealth drones though. Iran does not suffer from severe social unrest yet. Not going to happen because we know the enemy.
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I just don't know why US government join every war in the other country , and there are some info that they don't just join it , they made it . Every country have oils or a lot of resources have been being in war and there is always a hero try to "save" that country , and it's American ....! Including my country ![Lips sealed](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/lipsrsealed.gif) I often wonder the same thing. It's like they have to be the heroes of the world. The propaganda there talks about other countries like it is their duty to "protect" the whole world. They constantly talk about terrorism. They create so many "enemies" for themselves in the media. This is all done to justify all the military spending. If anybody suggests cutting military spending, somebody will answer, "But how? There are so many enemies? You want them to attack us?" So, they just continue invading countries and stealing resources. https://www.google.com.vn/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwit0t6ogMvcAhVIXrwKHR6SANUQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2F9buz.com%2Fmedia%2Fu-s-army-world-tour&psig=AOvVaw3k7epXrySbjkSIyA9uEGjL&ust=1533183613605239 It seems like they have a lot of enemies hehe . And one more thing that they just made a lot of war or but they blame Russian . just like Irag or the IS , their media said that Putin made it , and they just wanna "protect" the word . They still look at us like idiots , we all know their lie . And u know what ? I think American is a free country , but there is too much freedom ....!!
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I don't think Iranian government can afford to go to war now, there economy is crumbling and an average Iranian is uncertain about his future. Sooner or later, I think they will come to the negotiation table because they will not want their citizens to rise against them which will give USA a chance to overthrow the Islamic regime
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I don't think Iranian government can afford to go to war now, there economy is crumbling and an average Iranian is uncertain about his future. Sooner or later, I think they will come to the negotiation table because they will not want their citizens to rise against them which will give USA a chance to overthrow the Islamic regime
Iran military could join the Mahdi [end times in Islamic]. Does not look good for middle east and gulf countries.
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I would find it unlikely and unwise to attack Iran “next month”. Sanctions have not yet been put into full effect yet and won’t until at least November.
I suspect the US will first appeal to the people of Iran (and those in military power) to overthrow the current regime.
I suspect that any invasion of Iran would likely be lead by Israel and possibly the Saudis and the US will either provide Air support, including offensive bombings, and possibly with supply pipelines, but I don’t think Tripp’s will be on the front lines.
there will be no invasion, that would be a sure way to maximalize american deaths... totally useless. But the iranians should really think a little right now... they continue with their will to destroy israel, they will end worst than syria... summer is great... water access is harder. anyway, when you think about the size of the operation needed to finish the iranian gov (meaning they have no capacity left what so ever, but mass burials), I think it will even be day time... http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-iran-nuclear-20170830-story.html"Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear ... As the Trump administration raises pressure on U.N. inspectors to demand access to Iranian military sites, Iran insists it won't allow such visits." let me joke... first the coast will be cleared of all life form, and then it will be down in a few minutes (I mean it could be days) but all in all... it's just a kinetic/logistical question. the thing where the iranians and their supporters are wrong, is that they don't understand that many israelis speak farsi... no need for translators, and what the iranians gov and most of the populatio say is clear as diamond... The first thing the US will do is try to overthrow the government without the use of force as this will result in the least amount of US deaths. However at the end of the day, if an invasion is necessary it will happen. If we can’t overthrow the Iran government we will probably resort to airstrikes at first if we are going to engage in conflict with Iran. If our intelligence is confident they do not have nuclear weapons the air strikes will probably start “slow” at first and escalate over time. In general civilian deaths will be avoided and this is possible because of advances in technology. If we believe Iran might have a nuke, we will probably try to take out their military and communications ability in a night, or even possibly in an hour. John Bolton argued for a pre-emptative nuclear strike against North Korea in a WSJ opt-ed earlier this year and he would presumably make the same argument for Iran. I would imagine we would use multiple aircraft carriers and submarines/boats capable of launching missles into Iran at the same time (the airstrikes against Syria involved a single boat last year).
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I would find it unlikely and unwise to attack Iran “next month”. Sanctions have not yet been put into full effect yet and won’t until at least November.
I suspect the US will first appeal to the people of Iran (and those in military power) to overthrow the current regime.
I suspect that any invasion of Iran would likely be lead by Israel and possibly the Saudis and the US will either provide Air support, including offensive bombings, and possibly with supply pipelines, but I don’t think Tripp’s will be on the front lines.
there will be no invasion, that would be a sure way to maximalize american deaths... totally useless. But the iranians should really think a little right now... they continue with their will to destroy israel, they will end worst than syria... summer is great... water access is harder. anyway, when you think about the size of the operation needed to finish the iranian gov (meaning they have no capacity left what so ever, but mass burials), I think it will even be day time... http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-iran-nuclear-20170830-story.html"Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear ... As the Trump administration raises pressure on U.N. inspectors to demand access to Iranian military sites, Iran insists it won't allow such visits." let me joke... first the coast will be cleared of all life form, and then it will be down in a few minutes (I mean it could be days) but all in all... it's just a kinetic/logistical question. the thing where the iranians and their supporters are wrong, is that they don't understand that many israelis speak farsi... no need for translators, and what the iranians gov and most of the populatio say is clear as diamond... The first thing the US will do is try to overthrow the government without the use of force as this will result in the least amount of US deaths. However at the end of the day, if an invasion is necessary it will happen. If we can’t overthrow the Iran government we will probably resort to airstrikes at first if we are going to engage in conflict with Iran. If our intelligence is confident they do not have nuclear weapons the air strikes will probably start “slow” at first and escalate over time. In general civilian deaths will be avoided and this is possible because of advances in technology. If we believe Iran might have a nuke, we will probably try to take out their military and communications ability in a night, or even possibly in an hour. John Bolton argued for a pre-emptative nuclear strike against North Korea in a WSJ opt-ed earlier this year and he would presumably make the same argument for Iran. I would imagine we would use multiple aircraft carriers and submarines/boats capable of launching missles into Iran at the same time (the airstrikes against Syria involved a single boat last year). What a scary thing. It seems like you know a lot about the military. It's amazing that so much damage can be done so quickly. I really hope it doesn't happen. Do you think this is actually a good idea, to attack Iran? Would to world be made better for it? I personally hope it doesn't happen.
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Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism. It would probably be best to remove the government nonviolently, preferably by getting their people to overthrow it.
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August 03, 2018, 11:27:21 PM |
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Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism. It would probably be best to remove the government nonviolently, preferably by getting their people to overthrow it.
Wait, do you actually think overthrowing that government by the people is a non violent solution? Or did you mean non violent for America? LOL
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