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August 01, 2018, 08:03:36 AM
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I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?
As far as I know you have to combine them. I even think you need to lose small amounts knowingly so that the other person thinks you are strict about your hand. If you only bet on the good hands than the opponent will not bet when you have a good hand and increase the pot. However, if you mix it up and both bluff and play on good cards and intentionally lose money all those three combined would make you unpredictable and when you invest a high amount the other side will never know if its a sure thing or not. In some sense, poker is for experienced gamblers. Newbies are recommended to start by watching professional poker players.

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August 01, 2018, 10:43:45 AM
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if you stick to only one way then your opponents will know that and will use it against you . of course, each individual has his/her strategy to play poker or gambling in general,but the best way according to my mindset is to make a mix between bluffing and playing with good cards,that way they will never know what you thinking.

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August 01, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
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if you stick to only one way then your opponents will know that and will use it against you . of course, each individual has his/her strategy to play poker or gambling in general,but the best way according to my mindset is to make a mix between bluffing and playing with good cards,that way they will never know what you thinking.

Opponents in low or micro levels, know as recreational players or fish, don’t pay attention to any strategy, they just think about their hand. Bluffing vs those players is usually EV- because they pay with weak hands.

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August 01, 2018, 12:55:02 PM
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I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?
In my own point of view, i think its much better if you bluff your opponents in playing poker rather than having a good cards because you do not need any good cards if you can easily bluff your opponents, so they could fold their cards.
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I haven't played poker for quite a while and I don't know if/how much times have changed, but when I used to play back in the day there was a lot of bluffing going on especially in the tournament and sit&go matches. If you wanted to have a better chance of going further in the tournaments you had to try to double your stack as early as possible. It was basically a massive shitshow of people going all-in with all sorts of bad combinations hoping to catch a good card on the river and win the pot. Then if you somehow made it into the later stages there was the ante stealing which was mandatory in order to stop rapidly losing your chips. Sit & go games were in the same fashion only slower.
I would say, in general, bluffing happens less frequently on cash tables as regulars know each other pretty well and are less likely to use tricks over solid hands.
Nothing has changed, I prefer to play in large tournaments and sit and go tournaments and things have not changed at all, the very first hands in the large tournaments are nothing more than a lottery, but once things get more calm bluffing is mandatory but you need to adjust your play depending on the composition of the table, if the table is full of aggressive players it is better to play a very tight game, if you do you could double your chips easily.

One of my favorite plays in such a table is to check-raise when I have pocket aces since this confuses them, they see me as a passive player and they think they can easily steal my money only to realize that they have big problems, if they fold I get their money which is the equivalent of many blinds but if they call they will have the lower chances of winning, so it is a win-win for me.

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August 01, 2018, 08:02:31 PM
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I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?

Bad cards = Bluff then the next round will be the other way around.

Remember that continous behaviour might be an easy read by your opponents so try to manipulate it by changing chores of movement.

Based on your statement, are you fairly new to the game? The answer on your question can be seen by actual testing it and see if it's effective in any of the rounds. Anyways there are lots of strategies you will learned all the way if you will continue to play. Build experience and soon you can deal with your problem

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August 01, 2018, 08:13:05 PM
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I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?
If playing poker only with a dealer I think the "bluffing" strategy is not the right thing. But to play with a lot of people at one table, "bluffing" might be a strategy that might work if you believe their cards are not as good as you imagine.
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August 02, 2018, 04:43:09 AM
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I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?
If playing poker only with a dealer I think the "bluffing" strategy is not the right thing. But to play with a lot of people at one table, "bluffing" might be a strategy that might work if you believe their cards are not as good as you imagine.

Bluffing is the SHOULD be one of the ways you play in Poker.
Without it there isn't a more chance for you to win vs others who will just try it on.
Consider it as a PLUS when you really need it to.

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August 02, 2018, 05:44:54 AM
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Poker is a game with Bluffs and good cards to but each person needs to understand what's good for him and what's not, you may be good at playing with good combinations but equally be bad at bluffing, pokers pros can spot a fake bluff miles away and bluffing with them will only make you loose money, the art of bluffing comes with experience and should be avoided by newbies, they should trust their cards.

Sounds about right, bluffing is the high risk strategy and the gamble ontop of the gamble.   I think anyone who has to wonder between the two should just play the simple take of playing the best cards they have working out their opponents.  Later trying to make something out of nothing can maybe make sense every now and again,

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August 02, 2018, 06:42:20 AM
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I'm not really a heavy poker player but I played poker a long time ago and tried to bluff my way to win some games and this poker game is real life not online. Body language plays a big part in bluffing, there should be no difference when you bluff or you are playing with good cards, that way other players cant read your movement.
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August 02, 2018, 07:34:18 AM
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I'm not really a heavy poker player but I played poker a long time ago and tried to bluff my way to win some games and this poker game is real life not online. Body language plays a big part in bluffing, there should be no difference when you bluff or you are playing with good cards, that way other players cant read your movement.
If you play poker at online, that all thing are useless because they can see the person each other which is this is an online world. I think how to bluff at online world is, act like you have a good card and raise, also don't call fastly, wait around 5-10second to make it like you have a good card.

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August 02, 2018, 09:03:17 AM
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If you play poker at online, that all thing are useless because they can see the person each other which is this is an online world. I think how to bluff at online world is, act like you have a good card and raise, also don't call fastly, wait around 5-10second to make it like you have a good card.
Yeah, playing poker online and offline has differences.

You can bluff easily if you are facing with other players but if its through online things are becoming different.

I have watched those incredible moments with bluffers but it's not because they are good but they know how to do it, they are the real professionals in poker.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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August 02, 2018, 09:28:02 AM
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I'm not really a heavy poker player but I played poker a long time ago and tried to bluff my way to win some games and this poker game is real life not online. Body language plays a big part in bluffing, there should be no difference when you bluff or you are playing with good cards, that way other players cant read your movement.
Body language and the expressions in your face can be used by your opponents to know whether you are just bluffing or you really got a good cards on hold, one of the practice of experience players is to have a poker face when playing, trying to play without any emotions and can tricked out their opponents, really hard if you are not that much engage with this game.

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August 02, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
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As far as I know you have to combine them. I even think you need to lose small amounts knowingly so that the other person thinks you are strict about your hand. If you only bet on the good hands than the opponent will not bet when you have a good hand and increase the pot. However, if you mix it up and both bluff and play on good cards and intentionally lose money all those three combined would make you unpredictable and when you invest a high amount the other side will never know if its a sure thing or not. In some sense, poker is for experienced gamblers. Newbies are recommended to start by watching professional poker players.
I think mixing the options is a great strategy however you need to make sure you only bet big on the ones you have great hand.
Do not go in all the hands thinking you will either bluff or lose intentionally, just bet on great hands and put up a small amount on just decent hands and when you have horrible hands try to not bet as long as possible, if there is no bet increasing on the table of course you can just sit and watch the game with your bad hand but if there is bet increasing and you have a horrible hand there is no point of bluffing or even intentionally losing with that hand.

Do what you said but with either great hands or decent hands at worst, never do it with horrible hands.
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August 02, 2018, 10:55:00 AM
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I think for a skillful player both strategies could be combined to work really well but bluffing is not for everyone and sometimes can be really costly.
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I'm not really a heavy poker player but I played poker a long time ago and tried to bluff my way to win some games and this poker game is real life not online. Body language plays a big part in bluffing, there should be no difference when you bluff or you are playing with good cards, that way other players cant read your movement.
You can apply the same philosophy when bluffing online, there are many people that when they bluff they bet too little or too much, there are also those that take too much time or too little, you need to bluff in the same exact way that you bet, also it is very important to remember that most of the time bluffs are more effective when you have more chips than your opponent, you have the advantage of the position in the table and people recently saw you winning a big hand, that way that memory will be fresh on their minds and when they see you raising they will imagine that you have another good hand and they will prefer to just forfeit the pot.

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August 05, 2018, 08:16:33 PM
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It's much safer not to bluff and focus on the cards, but there are exceptions. If you play with newbies they will sometimes be scared and playing very offensive and bold can scare them even more and make them fold with something like a pair in hand. So bluffing can work but it's much better to avoid bluffing with nothing. I never bluff with a bad hand, only if I see a potential in a flop.
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It's much safer not to bluff and focus on the cards, but there are exceptions. If you play with newbies they will sometimes be scared and playing very offensive and bold can scare them even more and make them fold with something like a pair in hand. So bluffing can work but it's much better to avoid bluffing with nothing. I never bluff with a bad hand, only if I see a potential in a flop.
Being able to bluff with a bad hand is the riskiest way to play. The only way that you're gonna win is by making everyone else fold. You have to make them believe that you have a really good hand and that you're going to win. Sometimes a good bluffer can make someone with a good card just fold. For example, if you can easily make a flash from the cards that are already out. Let's say there's three cards of hearts out, you betting big all of a sudden will make your opponent assume that you have a pair of hearts and that you have a flush. Another way that you can win with a bluff with a bad hand is when the other person who played you until the end also has a bad hand, and it's worse than yours.

I think it's important to bluff sometimes so they will not think that you only raise during times that you have a combination. You have to make them scared of you when you are bluffing, and you have to make it look like you're scared of them (look like you have a bad card) when you have a good card so they will keep on raising. Thus, having the most pot, winning the most.

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I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?
Actually, all of the people that playing pokers has a different strategies or ways of playing. Sometimes, it is good to be a bluffer but it is much better that if we played with a good a better cards.  It is very hard to do bluffing because the  chances to win is also difficult. It can 50% to win and 50% to loose. However, playing having a good cards can gives a 90-99% chances of winning. But I think it is depends on the situations that it has in a certain time.

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I've been watching some poker tournaments with Antonius, Negreanu and Cates lately. Most of the time the person with better combination actually wins, but there occur some great bluffs from time to time as well. Do you think it is better to fold if you don't have at least one high card in a pair or two cards of the same suit? Is it worth to try out overbetting tricks when you really have shitty cards? When I tried playing poker, overbetting usually made me fold, because it is a hard psychological attack for me and I am not the kind of a person that is willing to risk a lot. But I am bad at poker. What is your opinion on this matter?

You will never win in the long run if you only play with your good cards, Poker is about to read your opponents.
The guys you mention above, they are expert on this, that is why they after 10 years still are among the best players in the world

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