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October 13, 2011, 11:01:37 PM
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Almost anything that anyone says is going to offend someone, so we all better just stop talking.

Crap, I probably just offended someone people by saying that.

And some more with the first word in my previous sentence.

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As I've said, I prefer not to hurt people. You told me that I should be ashamed because what I did was "wrong".

Because it is.  Do you really want to have a deep philosophical debate over the meaning of right and wrong in context of your use of bigoted hate speech?
No, because there is no need for an argument. The fact is human perception is vast. Some women can get hurt if you just look at them the wrong way. In the end, right and wrong is based on endless individual perceptions. It's completely arbitrary in terms of preserving happiness through speech and body language.
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October 13, 2011, 11:04:18 PM
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As I've said, I prefer not to hurt people. You told me that I should be ashamed because what I did was "wrong".

Because it is.  Do you really want to have a deep philosophical debate over the meaning of right and wrong in context of your use of bigoted hate speech?
No, because there is no need for an argument. The fact is human perception is vast. Some women can get hurt if you just look at them the wrong way. In the end, right and wrong is based on endless individual perceptions. It's completely arbitrary in terms of preserving happiness through speech and body language.

...and that's why I used an anti-gay slur!


Look guys, some things are likely to hurt people.  You can punch me pretty hard in the stomach and I won't care, that's my perception, but that doesn't make it right to go around punching people in the stomach at random, you know people consider it painful.

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Almost anything that anyone says is going to offend someone, so we all better just stop talking.

If someone specifically asked you to stop doing something they are uniquely sensitive to, you should stop after they tell you this.

Anti-gay or racial slurs do not fall into that category, they are generally known to be hurtful and you cannot plead ignorance of that.

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October 13, 2011, 11:06:17 PM
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As I've said, I prefer not to hurt people. You told me that I should be ashamed because what I did was "wrong".

Because it is.  Do you really want to have a deep philosophical debate over the meaning of right and wrong in context of your use of bigoted hate speech?
No, because there is no need for an argument. The fact is human perception is vast. Some women can get hurt if you just look at them the wrong way. In the end, right and wrong is based on endless individual perceptions. It's completely arbitrary in terms of preserving happiness through speech and body language.

...and that's why I used an anti-gay slur!


Look guys, some things are likely to hurt people.  You can punch me pretty hard in the stomach and I won't care, that's my perception, but that doesn't make it right to go around punching people in the stomach at random because you know people consider it painful.

That's physical aggression. A punch is threatening an organism's ability to sustain itself. A burst of sound waves can only be perceived in various ways of an organism's choosing. It does not directly aggress against nor threaten a being's life support systems.

Big difference.
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October 13, 2011, 11:06:34 PM
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Look guys, some things are likely to hurt people.  You can punch me pretty hard in the stomach and I won't care, that's my perception, but that doesn't make it right to go around punching people in the stomach at random, you know people consider it painful.

Sticks and stones...

Oh wait, I forgot that words that you read on the internet cause physical damage to your body.
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October 13, 2011, 11:09:06 PM
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Look guys, some things are likely to hurt people.  You can punch me pretty hard in the stomach and I won't care, that's my perception, but that doesn't make it right to go around punching people in the stomach at random, you know people consider it painful.

Sticks and stones...

Oh wait, I forgot that words that you read on the internet cause physical damage to your body.

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A punch is threatening an organism's ability to sustain itself.

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Teenagers who are gay or bisexual are more than three times as likely to attempt suicide as other youth, according to a Massachusetts study reported this month in The Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine. Young men are at particular risk, the report found.

Yes, words hurt people.  But precious Immanuel can't be expected not to use slurs just because relentless anti-gay bullying in society leads to teenage suicide...because some women are easily offended and perception is vast!

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October 13, 2011, 11:11:55 PM
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Yes, words hurt people.

But they really shouldn't.  People need to learn to deal with it, because there's always going to be someone out there saying things that "hurt" you or that you don't like.
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October 13, 2011, 11:13:53 PM
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Alright, I broke a girl's heart because I did not want to be in an intimate relationship with her. I'm sure she suffered greatly like most people do when they face notable rejection.

Would it be more morally sound for her to be somehow entitled to my affection and acceptance in the name of her pleasure as opposed to pain?

That's what we are arguing here: entitling people to our acceptance because that's all these words evoke; rejection of their values and who they are.
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October 13, 2011, 11:17:19 PM
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Yes, words hurt people.

But they really shouldn't.  People need to learn to deal with it, because there's always going to be someone out there saying things that "hurt" you or that you don't like.

http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/ptsd.htm#PTSD, PDSD and bullying

Right, go ahead and tell people to just "deal with" their PTSD.  This kind of thing begins at a very young age before kids are able to deal with the consequences of social ostracization as easily as you would like.  

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Alright, I broke a girl's heart because I did not want to be in an intimate relationship with her. I'm sure she suffered greatly like most people do when they face notable rejection.

Would it be more morally sound for her to be somehow entitled to my affection and acceptance in the name of her pleasure as opposed to pain?

That's what we are arguing here: entitling people to our acceptance because that's all these words evoke; rejection of their values and who they are.

No, we are talking about your desire to pepper your internet arguments with anti-gay slurs to make some sort of point.  You are not making deep philosophical points about language or morality.

Again, in this argument the affection you are so desperately hoping to retain is the affection you have for the use of anti-gay slurs.

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October 13, 2011, 11:20:13 PM
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Yes, words hurt people.

But they really shouldn't.  People need to learn to deal with it, because there's always going to be someone out there saying things that "hurt" you or that you don't like.

http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/ptsd.htm#PTSD, PDSD and bullying

Right, go ahead and tell people to just "deal with" their PTSD.  This kind of thing begins at a very young age before kids are able to deal with the consequences of social ostracization as easily as you would like.  

I'll admit it's a little different for kids.... but by the time you're in your late teens you should be able to deal with it.
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October 13, 2011, 11:23:27 PM
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I've been "bullied" all throughout my early school life although I've chosen to not take it as such. I've been called faggot on a daily basis, ostracized in the name of my differences and even had a basketball thrown into my nuts on a weekly basis. However, I chose to realize that there is more to value than how people viewed me albeit suffering horrible depression and suicidal thoughts throughout most of these years.

Honestly, I am not a proponent of the behavior that was used towards me but one can only accept that it is inevitable despite any individual circumstances. All one can do is adapt. People will hardly ever adapt around you. You have to find people that do accept you for who you are.
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October 13, 2011, 11:24:09 PM
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Yes, words hurt people.

But they really shouldn't.  People need to learn to deal with it, because there's always going to be someone out there saying things that "hurt" you or that you don't like.

http://www.bullyonline.org/stress/ptsd.htm#PTSD, PDSD and bullying

Right, go ahead and tell people to just "deal with" their PTSD.  This kind of thing begins at a very young age before kids are able to deal with the consequences of social ostracization as easily as you would like.  

I'll admit it's a little different for kids.... but by the time you're in your late teens you should be able to deal with it.

You really think teenagers are ever going to be equipped to deal with being socially ostracized?  I would think the problem gets worse then as hormones and emotions get out of control.  In the end what people need to grow out of is causing this pain, not being hurt by it.

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However, I chose to realize that there is more to value than how people viewed me albeit suffering horrible depression and suicidal thoughts most of these years.

As we can see, even people who are conscious that words should not hurt is being rendered to depression and suicidal thoughts by them.  Not everyone survives that.  Think how much worse it is for kids who are gay and will face pressure to hide who they truly are for their entire lives because of the fear this bullying generates.  Just stop piling on by using slurs against them in what is supposed to be a community about friggin currency.

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October 13, 2011, 11:31:09 PM
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Well, Rarity, thanks for reminding me how pitifully fragile the human condition is in the face of social rejection. It's completely primal; these feelings. When one was not fully embraced by their community in far earlier times, the prospects of survival were weak.

I despise the human condition in its current form. So weak.
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October 13, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
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Your crusade against free speech is making me suicidal.  I can't stand to live in a world where people aren't allowed to say what they want!
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October 13, 2011, 11:34:48 PM
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Your crusade against free speech is making me suicidal.  I can't stand to live in a world where people aren't allowed to say what they want!
So, what are you going to do, tysat? Blame the whole world for your misery or accept and try to find happiness elsewhere? Enslave society to your will or move forward?

Here's our point, Rarity: An individual must be able to adapt. There is no way the consensus will be to play nice.

However, I will choose to. I won't say said slur any longer.
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October 13, 2011, 11:35:43 PM
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Well, Rarity, thanks for reminding me how pitifully fragile the human condition is in the face of social rejection. It's completely primal; these feelings. When one was not fully embraced by their community in far earlier times, the prospects of survival were weak.

I despise the human condition in its current form. So weak.

Everything is primal.  We are a fundamentally social species and have been from the start of the first families and tribes.  When we reached for higher standards of living we moved to cities and entered greater levels of interaction and interdependence.  In the end though, we are animals, and when we are hurt emotionally it is only a chemical process in the brain, but that process is as real as anything else.  It's made of energy and matter.  It can set off chain reactions that lead to our total destruction in more ways than anyone could count.  When we have community support, our condition is strong.  When we are alone and afraid, it is weak.

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Your crusade against free speech is making me suicidal.  I can't stand to live in a world where people aren't allowed to say what they want!

The difference is that people actually do commit suicide because of gay bullying.  I just posted scientific stats on that, do you have similar statistics for suicide generated by calls for tolerance?  No, you have a strawman to excuse hate speech.

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An individual must be able to adapt. There is no way the consensus will be to play nice.

Calls for tolerance and restraint can greatly improve the situation.  It's still extremely difficult to grow up gay in the United States, but it has much improved over the decades.  It's much improved over a place like Iran.  Calls for tolerance and education are how we got there.

Slurs can never be wiped out, that is true, but an African American kid has a pretty good expectation that they are going to face far less abuse at school today than they did three decades ago.  Telling people to suck it up and deal with the abuse is not the solution, the perpetrators are the people who have to learn to adapt to a life of being tolerant.

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October 13, 2011, 11:48:24 PM
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Fair enough. The fact is all people have value and it's not in our best interest to reject others in the first place.
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October 13, 2011, 11:50:04 PM
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That's physical aggression. A punch is threatening an organism's ability to sustain itself. A burst of sound waves can only be perceived in various ways of an organism's choosing. It does not directly aggress against nor threaten a being's life support systems.  

I think you misused the word "choosing" where it should lean more toward some sort of 'learned' process or thought or etc.    We do not choose the environments around us that build our realities, we have no choice in how we take in those sound waves.  

Now what we do with that information, that is up to you.  The same however is said for the punch, you can, mind over matter that and feel no pain.  That is fact.   Then the argument could be made that there has to be a point where you cannot deny the physical aggression hitting yourself, but I also argue that the exact same can be said based on words used and how a person is able to withstand the reality of how those words were used around them when they were a child.

It now comes down to the intent of the punch.    And along those lines it comes down to intent of the sound waves.

Or it now comes down to, you have to learn to take a punch, and you have to learn to take in peoples bullshit and know it means nothing, even though it feels different sometimes.     It does suck though that the punch a 30 year old man took to learn may not effect people as badly as these kids using these slang terms with no care  or full understanding on the meaning behind them.

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October 14, 2011, 01:27:06 AM
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Well, Rarity, thanks for reminding me how pitifully fragile the human condition is in the face of social rejection. It's completely primal; these feelings. When one was not fully embraced by their community in far earlier times, the prospects of survival were weak.

I despise the human condition in its current form. So weak.

People are social animals. Ostracism can be fatal, even neglecting emotional issues.

If you don't see that, it may explain why you have so much faith in the free market.

To paraphrase  Oliver Wendell Holmes: your right to property ends when another is deprived of the necessities of life.

While it is good to be suspicious of government (and majority rule), there are limits to private property. If I dislike my neighbour, I am not allowed to buy a ring of land around his house and kill him when he goes for supplies, for example. In most cities, you can't even buy such a ring of land since the city retains a "right of way" (for roads and utilities).

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Hmmmm so productivity has increased, yet inflation-adjusted income has remained flat. Perhaps that means non-inflation adjusted income has risen, and perhaps that means the inflation tax is where you should channel your antagonism - toward the money printing that is robbing families without them knowing, instead of toward the corporations employing people toward productive ends.

Or perhaps the fact that during that same time period executive salaries have increased expontentially might have something to do with it?

Nah, easier to blame the government.
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