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Author Topic: 0.1% guys hold 50% Bitcoins, that's too CENTRALIZED!  (Read 15223 times)
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October 11, 2011, 06:52:51 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44008.0

HASH160                                                                 BTCs
D3BB642EB4EBA79C2BCF81D5AB0C9925911886EF   105000
CD8D1EEFAF01BAF1893ACCB03368CEF36642F7BB   104895
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How do you know that each address only belongs to one person? One of those address could be from MtGox for example.
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So are you suggesting that people should only be able to acquire/hold some arbitrary amount of Bitcoins?

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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On the other hand,
there're 600,000 "Address" holding the other 50%

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October 11, 2011, 07:07:49 AM
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One of those wallets is mine. What should I do? Do I have too many bitcoins for you?

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1000 BTC are only 4000$...  Roll Eyes If you wish today i buy them so i am too one of the 0.1%  Shocked
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1000 BTC are only 4000$...  Roll Eyes If you wish today i buy them so i am too one of the 0.1%  Shocked

Most of the accounts listed hold amounts which wouldn't affect the price of Bitcoin significantly if the wallet owner sold the entire wallet contents all at once, so I'm not really sure why the OP is so concerned about small holdings - there's no indication that those wallet owners are suddenly going to start joining together and operating like some kind of cartel.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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How do you know that each address only belongs to one person?

On the other side of the (bit)coin, how do you know 95% of those addresses don't all belong to one person?
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considering < 0.1% do all the work to make this possible, I'm fine with this.

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October 11, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
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That statistic is false.

Two reasons.

The way you are counting people is assuming each address is a person when in reality almost everyone has tons of addresses.  When you combine them together, each person will have more coins AND there will be less people total so the .1% will turn into a greater number such as 3%.

The second is obvious, with 'joint' accounts such as exchanges, that concentrate bitcoins that are really owned by many different people. 

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A more realistic user count can be gleaned by adding all the active (varying on base period of time) users from the the largest mining pools.
Not everyone mines.
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A more realistic user count can be gleaned by adding all the active (varying on base period of time) users from the the largest mining pools.
Not everyone mines.

No one suggested that. But the strictly 'buyers' are not much of the issue and unfortunatly are not a large percentage of the user base. That is the real issue, getting more people to be buyers.

I quoted you word by word. You're also forgetting people who buy mining contracts, people who invest in mining companies, people who turned off their rigs due to the price drop, people who spend time everyday promoting bitcoins on blogs and youtube, people who spend countless hours coding and debuging bitcoin clients. IMHO less than 50% of the active community are miners.

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My thoughts on these income disparity arguments:



It doesn't matter. Money has no value until it is spent. When it's spent, somebody is provided with value. There is nothing coercive about a high range of income or Bitcoins.

It's just envy in the end.
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There is nothing coercive about a high range of income

Remember, nothing can ever be bad unless someone holds a gun to your head and makes you do it. Giving you a choice of a dozen minimum wage jobs that won't sustain you? IT'S STILL A CHOICE! Not coercion! Totally moral!

Of course, if that job doesn't have health insurance and you die because of that like 45,000 other Americans each year, your employer still didn't do anything wrong because, check it out: humans lived without medicine for thousands of years!

This is what libertarians actually believe.
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You guys realize that at least 2-3 of those are stolen from Mybitcoin,  MtGox's hack,  the polish exchange hack,  bitcoin7 hack, the guy that had 25,000 coins taken right from his desktop...   literally you are staring at a criminal's bank account and can't do anything about it.

Bitcoin is a tea party dream....   and look how it worked out in those instances.






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There is nothing coercive about a high range of income

Remember, nothing can ever be bad unless someone holds a gun to your head and makes you do it. Giving you a choice of a dozen minimum wage jobs that won't sustain you? IT'S STILL A CHOICE! Not coercion! Totally moral!

The only reason you wouldn't be able to sustain yourself on a low wage is inflated costs on housing, food and other essentials due to regulation. That's what we are experiencing today: costs that are too high caused by government. Your dilemma is a liberal pipe dream.

It's the same thing with health insurance. The government has given countless subsidies, benefits and monopolies to the pharmaceutical and insurance corporations. The playing field has been intentionally rigged against the consumer through the monopolistic power of the state. It would be affordable to everyone otherwise. The pre-1920s agree with me wholeheartedly and so do competitive healthcare markets in China. I can get a broken leg fixed for $20 in free Asian markets without socialism.
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Right. When a company that profited $15 billion last year (Wal-Mart) still has a substantial portion of its workers so poor that they need to take welfare, that's because of government regulations.

If only they had made $20 billion, everyone would be wonderfully compensated because they're just nice guys like that. Like everything bad that has ever happened, this is naturally the fault of the government.
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You guys realize that at least 2-3 of those are stolen from Mybitcoin,  MtGox's hack,  the polish exchange hack,  bitcoin7 hack, the guy that had 25,000 coins taken right from his desktop...   literally you are staring at a criminal's bank account and can't do anything about it.

Bitcoin is a tea party dream....   and look how it worked out in those instances.

I love how no one replied to that one.


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The only raise you wouldn't be able to sustain yourself on a low wage is inflated costs on housing, food and other essentials due to regulation. That's what we are experiencing today: costs that are too high caused by government. Your dilemma is a liberal pipe dream.

Housing, debatable. Food and other essentials? Not a chance. Food and water is heavily subsidized by the government.
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October 11, 2011, 05:25:09 PM
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Right. When a company that profited $15 billion last year (Wal-Mart) still has a substantial portion of its workers so poor that they need to take welfare, that's because of government regulations.

If only they had made $20 billion, everyone would be wonderfully compensated because they're just nice guys like that. Like everything bad that has ever happened, this is naturally the fault of the government.
I never raised such a point. Wal-mart is actually a pretty moral company. They receive little government-welfare and turn most markets they enter into efficient and productive ones.

The workers are making a fair wage. It's just the goods in their area (housing, food and utilities) are inflated to senseless highs through building codes, agriculture patents and subsidies, etc.

Their wage is just diluted by other factors. That's all. A below-minimum wage Korean worker can get more for his pay than here.
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