7nm Avalon ASIC (A3206) • AvalonMiner A9 • 0.06-0.07 J/GH

[HagssFIN]

This is the unit they had at their press conference yesterday:

https://imgur.com/Hn44X8i

It looks just like the 841 models, with 1 fan.

They also showed a Litecoin miner and a TV miner.

Cool, thanks for the image.

That's surprising, I haven't heard about their Litecoin miner before this.

[Thetaj]

Where did you see it?

think I saw it on red's twitter

edit: ok, so the A9 is the same design as the 841s. I mistaken another case for the a9's

[Steamtyme]

Cool, thanks for the image.

That's surprising, I haven't heard about their Litecoin miner before this.

I remember reading about the litecoin miner the same time I believe the CEO started talking about potentially building the TV's last year. They both shared a blurb in the write-ups.

I did inquire about it but never heard anything official. Up until now I hadn't heard of anyone seeing one for sure.

[frodocooper]

Canaan has added the avalon9 branch to their cgminer repository on GitHub. It looks like the first of the A9 series will be called the AvalonMiner 921.

Options to tweak the voltage level ("--avalon9-voltage-level") and the voltage level offset ("--avalon9-voltage-level-offset") remain.

The A921's default temperature target appears to have been bumped up to 97°C. The cutoff temperature remains at 105°C.

The default fan speed percentage remains at 100%.

The OpenWrt firmware for the A9 series appears to be incompatible with earlier AvalonMiner models. This means that it would be not possible to run a mix of different generations on the same Raspberry Pi.

Release binaries for the A921 that incorporate the most recent commits from the avalon9 branch have not been released yet. The latest release binary of the A921's OpenWrt firmware is dated June 28, 2018 at the time of writing. The nexttesting directory is dated September 10, 2018, but is empty at the time of writing. This means that there could yet be further changes to the A921's cgminer code before its first release.

The A921's MM firmware, however, has been released. The latest release, at the time of writing, is dated September 10, 2018, and its changelog simply says:

Code:

Version 9211809-ac35af0

* First MM's firmware for A921

[philipma1957]

Good news  it will be interesting to see how efficient it is.  Maybe a very early October release is in the cards.

[minefarmbuy]

When did they post their 8 series branch LY? Might help speculate a release.

[philipma1957]

When did they post their 8 series branch LY? Might help speculate a release.

It was around for more then 50 days prior to release of 821.

But I think avalon wants to get the a9 out the door asap.  So I hope for early October.

I also hope the A9 lives up to spec.  the 841 were good. the 851 not so good.  but my tests involved 3 841's and 2 851's  small samples to base results on.

[fccs]

I am thinking November honestly.  They may release info about pricing and release dates available for preorder in October though.  That's usually how they do it.  Price is what is going to be most important, canaan makes great miners but price is always the highest.  The competitor is the M10 at the moment which keep in mind also comes with power supply at $1788.  So we will round up and just say $1800-1850 shipped all said and done to your door.  If Canaan stays under $2000 they have this in the bag.  If over $2000, it would be iffy considering by that time the M10 will be 2nd batch and $1600.  I wouldn't be very happy paying say $2300 for essentially a 28-30TH miner with power supply all said and done knowing I could have gotten a M10 miner for most likely $1600-1700 all said and done and be pushing 3 more TH.  So they have to be weary of the price.  Same with the litecoin miner they have coming out.

[minefarmbuy]

Canaan does well with design and pricing and have always been competitive to market. Speculation is really timing of release. I don't recall 821 dates announced till Nov and units not hitting the US till mid/late January'18 or maybe it's the beer right now.

If their stocking a 921/941, just release the 921 now and push 941 to market November. Forget about liquidating old inventory and capitalize on the open market. Price it 1500 and sell out in days. If it's already hitting high 20's/low 30's and is lean. Then they know what their doing and should just do what they do.

[fccs]

Canaan does well with design and pricing and have always been competitive to market. Speculation is really timing of release. I don't recall 821 dates announced till Nov and units not hitting the US till mid/late January'18 or maybe it's the beer right now.

If their stocking a 921/941, just release the 921 now and push 941 to market November. Forget about liquidating old inventory and capitalize on the open market. Price it 1500 and sell out in days. If it's already hitting high 20's/low 30's and is lean. Then they know what their doing and should just do what they do.

Yea Jan, I was first batch buyer for 821 and 841.  They said they are releasing earlier this time the new A9 stuff so I'd assume November December.  If it's under $2000 ill buy it, if it's something redic like $3000 then sadly no lol

[mgoz]

They just added 921 firmware a couple days ago:
https://canaan.io/downloads/software/avalon921/

[DaveF]

I am thinking November honestly.  They may release info about pricing and release dates available for preorder in October though.  That's usually how they do it.  Price is what is going to be most important, canaan makes great miners but price is always the highest.  The competitor is the M10 at the moment which keep in mind also comes with power supply at $1788.  So we will round up and just say $1800-1850 shipped all said and done to your door.  If Canaan stays under $2000 they have this in the bag.  If over $2000, it would be iffy considering by that time the M10 will be 2nd batch and $1600.  I wouldn't be very happy paying say $2300 for essentially a 28-30TH miner with power supply all said and done knowing I could have gotten a M10 miner for most likely $1600-1700 all said and done and be pushing 3 more TH.  So they have to be weary of the price.  Same with the litecoin miner they have coming out.

Canaan has usually started high in price and then dropped. I have been buying them since their 4.0 / 4.1 (2014?) and Bitmain and others have always been cheaper. The Avalons have been better more solid products.

The 1720 watts is going to be an issue. Yes I know 220v is better then 110v but I have a lot of 110v / 20a circuits that are going to be too close to comfort to run at that power.

If I can drop the speed a bit and get it to 1600w at the wall I might look into getting a few.

-Dave

[fccs]

Canaan has usually started high in price and then dropped. I have been buying them since their 4.0 / 4.1 (2014?) and Bitmain and others have always been cheaper. The Avalons have been better more solid products.

The 1720 watts is going to be an issue. Yes I know 220v is better then 110v but I have a lot of 110v / 20a circuits that are going to be too close to comfort to run at that power.

If I can drop the speed a bit and get it to 1600w at the wall I might look into getting a few.

-Dave

That will be ok for winter but once it warms up avalons like to use more power.  I run on 240v so I don't have a issue but yes I see what you are saying.  I'm sure you will be able to undervolt it some and be fine for winter though.  1700w on 110v is fine anyways.  That's right to the 20% safe zone at under 16amps constant.  I believe that's why they made it 1700watts for this reason.

[AniceInovation]

Love to see avalon in the efficiency front, hope they keep their remarkable reliability.

[smracer]

$2000???   

Anything over $800 is too risky, and I am at .05/Kwh total.

If I used my whole 300KW and bought 180 of them it would cost 144K @ $800 ea.  ~ 25 BTC with PSU's and shipping

If they were running right now they would make 5.8 BTC/mo. Maybe 5 BTC by the time they arrive.

Subtract 1.5BTC for power costs and rent, etc leaving 3.5 BTC profit the first month.  After that it will slowly decline each month.

I would be lucky to BTC ROI in 10 months.  That is also figuring Bitcoin will go up and I can use less BTC each month for expenses.

$2000 per unit and it would take years to BTC ROI, maybe never.

[SkyLakeMine]

Canaan has added the avalon9 branch to their cgminer repository on GitHub.

Questions for the group:

1) since miner is based on cgminer I should be able to monitor it with the regular cgminer api commands? Is this correct? e.g. stats command

2) the controller controls several miners? therefore, i cannot send ssh commands? so my only option to restart miner is through the api?

Thanks

[minefarmbuy]

Did you just answer your own questions? Or am I that wasted?

[frodocooper]

1) since miner is based on cgminer I should be able to monitor it with the regular cgminer api commands? Is this correct? e.g. stats command

Yes.

2) the controller controls several miners? therefore, i cannot send ssh commands? so my only option to restart miner is through the api?

Yes, one Controller can control up to 20 miners — i.e., up to five miners on each AUC3, with up to four AUC3s per Controller.

The Controller uses OpenWrt as its operating system, which itself uses Dropbear as its built-in SSH server. Simply configure Dropbear according to your needs (it's enabled by default) through the Controller's web interface and you'll be able to connect to the Controller via SSH.

[ccgllc]

I'm hoping for November, and that the US/China tradewar is over by then.  Otherwise some of us are going to see prices 25% higher than others.

[SkyLakeMine]

1) since miner is based on cgminer I should be able to monitor it with the regular cgminer api commands? Is this correct? e.g. stats command

Yes.

2) the controller controls several miners? therefore, i cannot send ssh commands? so my only option to restart miner is through the api?

Yes, one Controller can control up to 20 miners — i.e., up to five miners on each AUC3, with up to four AUC3s per Controller.

The Controller uses OpenWrt as its operating system, which itself uses Dropbear as its built-in SSH server. Simply configure Dropbear according to your needs (it's enabled by default) through the Controller's web interface and you'll be able to connect to the Controller via SSH.

Thanks!
Canaan is something new to me so I didn't know exactly how the controllers worked.