Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io)

[WaffleMaster]

I am taking nobodies side here. You're both in the wrong for sending blackmailing pms to each other. I'm just giving him advice as to how to better handle the situation. It's not like you're an angel here bud. You are sending him threats as much as he is you.

Act like adults

What was my blackmail PM if I may ask? You have all the pm pictures to show if I really did blackmail somebody. After he extorted me I said I was going to now post scam accusations because it is against the rules? He scammed me because he agreed to make everything right, which would include putting me back in the campaign. It's all in writing. Wow following the rules must be blackmail.

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[jeremypwr]

If that doesn't sound like the biggest threat ever, then I don't know what to tell you.

"You will have 24 hours to respond or else....."

[yahoo62278]

If that doesn't sound like the biggest threat ever, then I don't know what to tell you.

"You will have 24 hours to respond or else....."

This is an example of attempted blackmail. It would be just as bad as me saying, stop this bs thread or i'll tag you both.

This thread has served its purpose, just let it go

[WaffleMaster]

If that doesn't sound like the biggest threat ever, then I don't know what to tell you.

"You will have 24 hours to respond or else....."

This is an example of attempted blackmail. It would be just as bad as me saying, stop this bs thread or i'll tag you both.

This thread has served its purpose, just let it go

No, I gave you time instead of opening a scam accusation immediately. That was being generous, because you were scamming me payment at the time. You were only paying me for 18 posts because of your error. So I was being nice waiting for you to see it and handle it. Telling you I'm going to post scam accusations is not blackmail, you were scamming me. And still are. $900 in potential campaign earnings. Yahoo, I'm not sure how your opinion is so misguided on this. Maybe my explanation helped. I wasn't threatening anything, I gave him time to correct the scam of only 18 posts.

Then we agreed that you would make everything right, which includes payment for all posts and being put back in campaign, then you scammed me again

Here's our agreement. You explicitly stated yes to the offer. And now you're scamming me by not holding up to the $900 agreement.

[jeremypwr]

"And now you're scamming me by not holding up to the $900 agreement."

Wow, this poor guy is seriously confused. 

I'm done.

[Zapo]

This thread has served its purpose, just let it go

Please lock thread @op.

[WaffleMaster]

This thread has served its purpose, just let it go

Please lock thread @op.

Why? It is a reputation thread which shows somebody threatening to withhold payment they agreed to send unless I did something, and also scamming $840 in potential campaign profit which he agreed to let me rejoin, in writing, but now is not honoring?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Act like adults

Agreed, except I would add that since there's no arbitration mechanism for disputes--just a person's trust and reputation--I can see why people get a little crazy about these things and go on the defensive immediately.  The amounts of money involved aren't exactly small by most people's standards.

If jeremypwr made the mistake, and it was me I'd just fix it without restrictions or retaliation.  He does have a decent reputation as a manager, and everyone makes mistakes.  People can see it for what it is, and they should be trusted not to make any long-term judgements.  It just looks like both sides of this dispute escalated it beyond the point where it needed to go.  Kicking OP out of the campaign was a little harsh, but it's jeremypwr's campaign and he has the right to do that if he so chooses. 

OP, there isn't much else to do except move on to another campaign if you can find one.

[WaffleMaster]

Act like adults

Agreed, except I would add that since there's no arbitration mechanism for disputes--just a person's trust and reputation--I can see why people get a little crazy about these things and go on the defensive immediately.  The amounts of money involved aren't exactly small by most people's standards.

If jeremypwr made the mistake, and it was me I'd just fix it without restrictions or retaliation.  He does have a decent reputation as a manager, and everyone makes mistakes.  People can see it for what it is, and they should be trusted not to make any long-term judgements.  It just looks like both sides of this dispute escalated it beyond the point where it needed to go.  Kicking OP out of the campaign was a little harsh, but it's jeremypwr's campaign and he has the right to do that if he so chooses.  

OP, there isn't much else to do except move on to another campaign if you can find one.

I only took to posting because he was the one in the first place that threatened to not pay me what he agreed to. Now here is his new post which I think you'll find interesting in the aspect of him not honoring the agreement we agreed to (scamming).

Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.

Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts? You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 

He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement.

I was owed back into the campaign according to the agreement, which he just admitted was valid. So now what do you say? It's not scamming to put in writing that you'll make everything right, we'll delete it all and forget about it and not follow through with his end? Which lead me to exposing him? And Pharmacist, as you say he has the right to kick me out, yes he did, until he agreed to put me back in, which is in writing and you seem to acknowledge. Scammed $860 in potential because he is butthurt that he didn't follow through and I felt the need to expose all this bullshit he's pulling BECAUSE OF HIS MISTAKE.

[Buraot]

Act like adults

Agreed, except I would add that since there's no arbitration mechanism for disputes--just a person's trust and reputation--I can see why people get a little crazy about these things and go on the defensive immediately.  The amounts of money involved aren't exactly small by most people's standards.

If jeremypwr made the mistake, and it was me I'd just fix it without restrictions or retaliation.  He does have a decent reputation as a manager, and everyone makes mistakes.  People can see it for what it is, and they should be trusted not to make any long-term judgements.  It just looks like both sides of this dispute escalated it beyond the point where it needed to go.  Kicking OP out of the campaign was a little harsh, but it's jeremypwr's campaign and he has the right to do that if he so chooses.  

OP, there isn't much else to do except move on to another campaign if you can find one.

I only took to posting because he was the one in the first place that threatened to not pay me what he agreed to. Now here is his new post which I think you'll find interesting in the aspect of him not honoring the agreement we agreed to (scamming).

Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages?
The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential.

He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed.

Since you agreed to let me back in the campaign, why shouldn't you be obligated to hold up to that arrangement which was also included in me deleting the posts? You literally just check mated yourself admitting that you're scamming me for $840 in 7 weeks potential payments (If I follow the rules) because you agreed to make everything right, which includes payment and putting me back in cus I was taken out in error. You are fully in the wrong, and you even just admitted it further.

 

He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement.

I was owed back into the campaign according to the agreement, which he just admitted was valid. So now what do you say? It's not scamming to put in writing that you'll make everything right, we'll delete it all and forget about it and not follow through with his end? Which lead me to exposing him? And Pharmacist, as you say he has the right to kick me out, yes he did, until he agreed to put me back in, which is in writing and you seem to acknowledge. Scammed $860 in potential because he is butthurt that he didn't follow through and I felt the need to expose all this bullshit he's pulling BECAUSE OF HIS MISTAKE.

If he already paid you for your work, then it's done. If he kicked you out from his campaign, it's his right, his privilege as the campaign manager and you can do nothing about that, go on and live your life, find another campaign and move forward, don't be a kid crying over something that were already out.

[Buraot]

I was owed back into the campaign according to the agreement, which he just admitted was valid. So now what do you say? It's not scamming to put in writing that you'll make everything right, we'll delete it all and forget about it and not follow through with his end? Which lead me to exposing him? And Pharmacist, as you say he has the right to kick me out, yes he did, until he agreed to put me back in, which is in writing and you seem to acknowledge. Scammed $860 in potential because he is butthurt that he didn't follow through and I felt the need to expose all this bullshit he's pulling BECAUSE OF HIS MISTAKE.

No, he did not owe something from you. He is the campaign manager and you are a participant, you can not force him to let you stay if he wanted to kick you out, it is his prerogative. In fact, you are the one who's blackmailing him. Move on bro, look for another campaign. You already paid for your work, so, it's done.

[WaffleMaster]

I was owed back into the campaign according to the agreement, which he just admitted was valid. So now what do you say? It's not scamming to put in writing that you'll make everything right, we'll delete it all and forget about it and not follow through with his end? Which lead me to exposing him? And Pharmacist, as you say he has the right to kick me out, yes he did, until he agreed to put me back in, which is in writing and you seem to acknowledge. Scammed $860 in potential because he is butthurt that he didn't follow through and I felt the need to expose all this bullshit he's pulling BECAUSE OF HIS MISTAKE.

No, he did not owe something from you. He is the campaign manager and you are a participant, you can not force him to let you stay if he wanted to kick you out, it is his prerogative. In fact, you are the one who's blackmailing him. Move on bro, look for another campaign. You already paid for your work, so, it's done.

How am I blackmailing him? How did I ever blackmail him? I gave him a days worth to figure out the situation and what he wants to do before opening a scam accusation against him for not paying me .0042 BTC more than he says he owed me (his mistake, really a bad campaign manager for all of this, but that especially). That's really fair allowing him time. He might have had work or be sleeping, or wanted to fix it (surprise, he just lied about wanting to make everything right).

Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything. He said he would fix everything. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No.

Also, he does owe me something if HE AGREES TO IT IN WRITING. (last picture) You talk about payment, what do you think about this payment talk in the pictures? Want to just ignore it?

[Buraot]

You're blacmailing him by forcing or insisting to let you stay on his campaign.
I agree with him, YOU'RE A TOTAL MORON.
You can't understand a simple logic. Let me input it into your brain by making the letters bold:
HE IS THE MANAGER AND HE HAD THE RIGHT TO KICK YOU OUT FROM HIS CAMPAIGN WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION!

[WaffleMaster]

You're blacmailing him by forcing or insisting to let you stay on his campaign.
I agree with him, YOU'RE A TOTAL MORON.
You can't understand a simple logic. Let me input it into your brain by making the letters bold:
HE IS THE MANAGER AND HE HAD THE RIGHT TO KICK YOU OUT FROM HIS CAMPAIGN WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION!

What am I doing by forcing or insisting he allow me back into the campaign? I said I wouldn't even be involved after all this, check my pm logs I have in my scam accusation. ALSO, HE LITERALLY AGREED IN WRITING TO LET ME BACK IN, fixing his error. Any manager has a right to kick somebody out. When they admit it was a mistake and say they will make everything right, but then don't, that's a scam. And this scam was worth $840. But I guess you don't care because it doesn't happen to you and you just choose to ignore all the evidence, pictures, pms.   revealing the fraud, dishonesty, extortion, immaturity, bad managing and rule breaking of an individual is not blackmail. The 2nd pm is after he was continuously threatening to withhold agreed to funds, as in the pictures above.

[Joel_Jantsen]

lol really you guys are blowing it out of proportions @Waffle - Why can't you just take the payment and leave him alone? He hires you in the campaign, is ready to pay you money,  how is that extortion? As a campaign manager, he doesn't owe you an explanation for getting kicked out of the campaign.

My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE.

Maybe sportsbet.io should also pay "thousands of dollars" to the players whose withdrawals are stuck since ages.

[WaffleMaster]

lol really you guys are blowing it out of proportions @Waffle - Why can't you just take the payment and leave him alone? He hires you in the campaign, is ready to pay you money,  how is that extortion? As a campaign manager, he doesn't owe you an explanation for getting kicked out of the campaign.

My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE.

Maybe sportsbet.io should also pay "thousands of dollars" to the players whose withdrawals are stuck since ages.

Lol I like your little mention at how bad sportsbet.io is with withdrawal scamming. That aside, I really don't think somebody scamming another person and lying about an agreement made is blowing anything out of proportion. All my claims are from discussion which have evidence, so the fact that there exists detailed documentation almost certainly counters whatever claim of "blowing things out of proportion" can be made. The claims are made because they exist. As for extortion, IDK, what is threatening to not pay somebody unless they do something? What is threatening to hurt somebody financially or physically if they don't do what you want when you want? Extortion?

Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats.

[ImHash]

Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats.

This is what you are doing to this campaign manager, You are trying to force him to let you stay in the campaign, I'm sure some DT members tag you for doing it this way.

[audaciousbeing]

How am I blackmailing him? How did I ever blackmail him? I gave him a days worth to figure out the situation and what he wants to do before opening a scam accusation against him for not paying me .0042 BTC more than he says he owed me (his mistake, really a bad campaign manager for all of this, but that especially). That's really fair allowing him time. He might have had work or be sleeping, or wanted to fix it (surprise, he just lied about wanting to make everything right).

Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything. He said he would fix everything. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No.

Also, he does owe me something if HE AGREES TO IT IN WRITING. (last picture) You talk about payment, what do you think about this payment talk in the pictures? Want to just ignore it?

Having read the entire thread, I think its time for you to move on. You have made your point, he has admitted his fault and its time to lock it up and go on. You guys might need to work together some other time and if he so wish, he won't enlist you again and if you wish too, take up a campaign management and not hire him if he should apply. Its your prerogative. I noticed that you have been hammering on potential earnings but my question is, how can you hold him accountable for a job you have not done exactly. It does not work that and continuing pushing this matter will only make you sound like a but-hurt who cannot live without what he will earn from this campaign.

I am actually more surprised that both of you could not resolve this issue of simple mistake till it degenerate to this point and both of you are at fault just as @Yahoo have rightly said. Managers are human and they are prone to mistakes, when that happen, there is a way to approach it and get it resolve without any noise about it. The two of you have just unleashed to the whole community how much ego you took in yourself over the welfare of another. #My opinion.

[WaffleMaster]

Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats.

This is what you are doing to this campaign manager, You are trying to force him to let you stay in the campaign, I'm sure some DT members tag you for doing it this way.

Again, verifiable as wrong. I've already stated to the manager and others, it's out there for anybody to see LOL. I would never be interested in interacting with somebody like this in a business relationship.

I noticed that you have been hammering on potential earnings but my question is, how can you hold him accountable for a job you have not done exactly. It does not work that and continuing pushing this matter will only make you sound like a but-hurt who cannot live without what he will earn from this campaign.

I am actually more surprised that both of you could not resolve this issue of simple mistake till it degenerate to this point and both of you are at fault just as @Yahoo have rightly said. Managers are human and they are prone to mistakes, when that happen, there is a way to approach it and get it resolve without any noise about it. The two of you have just unleashed to the whole community how much ego you took in yourself over the welfare of another. #My opinion.

Thanks for commenting about these things. It was pretty surprising after we agreed to go back to the normal relationship before the big mistake he made that he then was threatening me, I agree. The thing about profit potential is huge in the business world, and I am residing within that world. That's $840 that would have been made if this campaign manager wasn't so bad and threatening randomly. Imagine if he just upheld his agreement to correct everything and it returned to normal. Pretty mind bending he would then threaten me after I upheld it. If I was reliant on the money I likely would have made a bigger deal out of it, but thanks for assuming I need it to live off of

[Mpamaegbu]

The war of attrition already started here? Damn! Trump fooled me watching the cable for his Chinese attack.

BTW, this thread should be locked for peace to reign. I believe the issue has been resolved, except both parties love the sound of their keyboards. Silence is golden most times.