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August 01, 2018, 08:40:30 AM
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I know will refer to the constitution and human rights on this matter but If a citizen does not contribute to society, how can that citizen have an opinion on it? Ultimately if you do not pay tax, you have no need to affect the political process, and your impact will be negative to others because you will be uninformed on how to vote to improve things.

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August 01, 2018, 10:40:15 AM
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I believe it should be more in the lines of "Should citizens who don't vote be allowed to not pay their taxes". Makes perfect sense, if the government doesn't deserve my vote even, it is definitely undeserving of my moneyZ.  Roll Eyes Liberty lives  Wink Cool

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August 01, 2018, 11:42:42 AM
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I think everyone has a right to vote whether he/she doesnt pay taxes.Theres a law that gives exemption of taxes to those people who had no enough earnings.So I dont think its appropriate not to allow them to vote unless when a certain person who got lots of profit but still doesnt pay taxes its already punishable by law.So the government will be in control in those kind of matter.
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August 01, 2018, 12:29:35 PM
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If people decide not to work to avoid paying taxes (This number is almost certainly lower than you assume it is) they should be given incentives to work, with minimum wages that are actually worthwhile as opposed to state benefits. In my country (UK) people get free healthcare, dental care, prescriptions, council tax exemption, housing benefit and job seekers allowance and more if they have children. When the minimum wage is as low as it is you can see why there are incentives for certain people not to find a job, especially when they have low levels of education and can't get a decent wage. The blame for this either lies with the government, businesses or a combination of both depending on which side of the political spectrum you are on.

A person's right to vote for who runs their country should not be defined by whether they pay taxes or not. What you are saying is that people who do not pay taxes are not as important as people who do and this is not the case. If what you are suggesting was allowed, the government would be able to exploit the lower rungs of society as these people would not have a say in anything, potentially leading to the erosion of their civil liberty and encourage modern day slavery.

It might sound far fetched in this day and age, but when you take away peoples right to vote you are leading society towards a slippery slope and stranger things have happened.


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August 01, 2018, 01:21:26 PM
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Any body or person who does not pay tax is not expected or permitted to vote.
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August 01, 2018, 05:57:56 PM
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Voting is permitted to all who are citizens and are of age. Taxes are required of nobody.

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August 01, 2018, 06:26:47 PM
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Everyone has the right to vote, that's why it's called universal suffrage. Restrictions based on wealth were common centuries ago, first implemented by American Constitution of 1787 and French Constitution of 1791. We evolved from that. It is scary that people in the crypto universe do not understand basic aspects of democracy and decentralization.
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August 01, 2018, 10:59:24 PM
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I guess it depends on their reasoning for not paying taxes. If they're not paying taxes because they don't have the income to be able to qualify to even pay the lowest level of taxes (pretty much like having a 0 percent income tax level) Then I think that these people should be allowed to vote, or people that don't have income, or something along those lines. You're still a citizen even if you don't pay taxes.

Though if you AVOID paying taxes and end up paying nothing on your income in an attempt to defraud services that need your tax dollars to function -- then you shouldn't be able to vote for that year. That's my view on it, and I know that's a tough issue.




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August 02, 2018, 10:52:38 AM
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Well, I would like to start of by saying that all of the citizens of a particular nation is paying taxes eventhough they are not paying it technically. Meaning, eventhough they do not pay taxes directly to the tax payers' lounge, still they are contributing to the country. They still but goods and products of the country, they pay bills, and they work, in which in all of those, taxes are there. Therefore, everyone of us are paying taxes and contributing to the economic welfare of the country. If all of us do pay taxes, then all of us are entitled to vote. Because after all, the extent of power of the leaders within a particular country is not limited only for those who pay taxes but to all its citizens.

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August 02, 2018, 11:18:36 AM
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I know will refer to the constitution and human rights on this matter but If a citizen does not contribute to society, how can that citizen have an opinion on it? Ultimately if you do not pay tax, you have no need to affect the political process, and your impact will be negative to others because you will be uninformed on how to vote to improve things.

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What if you're disabled and can't work? What if you dedicate your entire life to working for charities and getting no pay at all? What if you live in a country that doesn't have taxes? Those people shouldn't have a vote in who leads them? What about someone who earns money but is a complete moron? What about someone who earns money but would vote for Hitler or someone like him if he could? Should it be that the only things that qualifies someone to vote is age and in your case paying taxes?
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August 02, 2018, 11:46:42 AM
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I know will refer to the constitution and human rights on this matter but If a citizen does not contribute to society, how can that citizen have an opinion on it? Ultimately if you do not pay tax, you have no need to affect the political process, and your impact will be negative to others because you will be uninformed on how to vote to improve things.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
It would be very hard to control. I don't see any real good reason to implement a policy like that. If you're a business owner, for example, you may only pay tax at the end of the year. If the election is in the middle of the year, you can't very well say that the business owner is not a taxpayer. There are already mechanisms in place to catch and punish people that are avoiding taxes. If you break those laws you'll be fine and/or put in jail. In that case, the question would become, should inmates be allowed to vote? I think that they should be able to vote too because decisions the president will make will affect them in their lives in prison too.
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August 02, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
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This tax payment issue is one sided. In a situation where am just selling what we call sachet water to put food on my table, how do I pay tax from such? In my believe I think tax payment does not have anything to do with voting. If the right kind of leaders are voted in and the economy becomes better, I can change from my street sales and do something good and meaningful to enable me pay tax the way it should be. This situation is like asking a homeless and hungry man to pay tax before he can vote. It is not ok.
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August 02, 2018, 06:19:25 PM
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I know will refer to the constitution and human rights on this matter but If a citizen does not contribute to society, how can that citizen have an opinion on it? Ultimately if you do not pay tax, you have no need to affect the political process, and your impact will be negative to others because you will be uninformed on how to vote to improve things.

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I don't think paying taxes is the only way one can contribute to society, that's a narrow minded premise in my opinion.  I'm more concerned about those who are misinformed and uneducated having a vote.

The push to allow non-citizens to vote in some municipalities is a scary thought, not only are they not educated on American history, but they are not guaranteed to have America's best interest in mind when going to the polls.

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August 03, 2018, 09:21:04 AM
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This tax payment issue is one sided. In a situation where am just selling what we call sachet water to put food on my table, how do I pay tax from such? In my believe I think tax payment does not have anything to do with voting. If the right kind of leaders are voted in and the economy becomes better, I can change from my street sales and do something good and meaningful to enable me pay tax the way it should be. This situation is like asking a homeless and hungry man to pay tax before he can vote. It is not ok.


You will usually find that in most countries you have to be earning a minimum amount before you start paying taxes. You can't be expected to pay taxes if you're not earning anything or very little. People who are barely making enough to survive obviously won't be taxed. This bring up an interesting point though about who votes for who. The lower classes will surely vote for someone who promises them no taxes and many other benefits if they're poor, whereas the upper classes will vote for the people who promise them lower taxes and tax breaks whilst stiffing the poor out of benefits because they don't want to pay for them. Whoever wins will depend on whether there's more poor or rich people in the country, but as I said before neither parties will probably do the things they promised and perhaps even the opposite whilst the real people who benefit are the corporations and super rich who financed their campaigns in the first place as it's them who get the tax breaks and gov contracts so they can reap the rewards of donating to their campaign in the first place. Legalized bribery at the end of the day, but that's what democracy has become. Corporatocracy.
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August 03, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
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If government will do this,then Government will ignore these people without their fault:

1.All student,who are doing education, (they are future of any country)
2.Dependent person of that country,
3.Disable persons,who are not able to work,
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Guys, remember that there are many types of taxes, if you buy a coffee you are paying taxes. Everyone pays.
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August 03, 2018, 07:14:50 PM
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I know will refer to the constitution and human rights on this matter but If a citizen does not contribute to society, how can that citizen have an opinion on it? Ultimately if you do not pay tax, you have no need to affect the political process, and your impact will be negative to others because you will be uninformed on how to vote to improve things.

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historically voting rights were always interlinked with taxes. this was especially the case when there was no banking cartel.

universal voting rights came also with universal enslavement by a banking cartel.

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August 03, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
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historically voting rights were always interlinked with taxes. this was especially the case when there was no banking cartel.

universal voting rights came also with universal enslavement by a banking cartel.

how they benefit from it? can you elaborate this and provide sources?
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August 04, 2018, 12:57:39 AM
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I would gladly not vote if I didn't have to pay taxes. But if they forced me to pay taxes, I would vote, and vote them out of office. Then, without having to pay taxes any longer, I wouldn't vote any more... at least until the cycle started again.

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August 04, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
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I would gladly not vote if I didn't have to pay taxes. But if they forced me to pay taxes, I would vote, and vote them out of office. Then, without having to pay taxes any longer, I wouldn't vote any more... at least until the cycle started again.

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So, you always vote to try to get people out of office, so they will stop forcing you to pay taxes? Have you had an success with this yet? You must do a lot of voting, since I'm pretty sure there is not one country with absolutely zero taxes. How do you imagine this society with no taxes? Do you have some economy and political system in mind?
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