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August 06, 2018, 04:58:59 PM
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Ann thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4830762.new#new
Bounty Thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4830773

Website : https://neofinance.io/
WP : https://neofinance.io/documents/White_Paper.pdf

Archives:
http://archive.is/esYWy
http://archive.is/eUbOx

The concept : "Given the rapid growth of the cryptocurrency market, the best way to preserve and increase profits, with the growth of cryptocurrency assets, is to store cryptocurrencies in the long term. In other words, stick to the HOLD strategy."

Another random platform with crypto-fiat card.

All social media pages are a few days old or empty

THE GITHUB


Not really reassuring (and the editor made a spelling mistake on the name of his own company...)



THE TEAM:

All profiles have a few days and between 1 and 13 connections (actually). Even the "PR manager" and the "community manager" worrying for people who must have good networks (not to mention the CEO and the legal advisor, also unknown and untraceable on Google...)

NEO FINANCE Linkedin page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/neo-finance-ltd/





So the profile photos also seem very suspicious to me... but I let professional of the photo theft detection give me their opinion!




I like the CEO profile ! [/b] Grin




THE TOKEN




The NEF token... already exists





And btw, the brand NEO FINANCE too...












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Their site is ugly and created more recently



Fake Profile Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/NEOFinance/ — original
https://www.facebook.com/neo.fin.963 — counterfeit

Twitter and Reddit are empty...
These guys are the dumbest of all scammers  Grin
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To add to your investigation:

I think Andy Curtman is Idris Gitinaev - https://www.instagram.com/idris_iris/ . Amazon Rekognition agrees with me :









https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenserdons/







https://www.scribd.com/document/250391882/Daniel-Nemerciuc-CV




I'm pretty confident 90% of team has stolen photos from Russian photo-sharing websites. Will check later today, but this is without a doubt - scam.

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To add to your investigation:

I think Andy Curtman is Idris Gitinaev - https://www.instagram.com/idris_iris/ . Amazon Rekognition agrees with me :




We can also verify the same information

Designer Andy Curtman = Model Idris Gitinaev

http://valet-ru-bsml71ntempl.runscope.net/user/144678676/
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August 06, 2018, 10:02:11 PM
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Looks really like a scam, but no strong proofs, yet.

Just clarify an important moment, please: have they already started an ICO and gathered money?



A business using the image of someone is a crook and enough to not believe in their project. At least if it was me, I wouldn't look further.
Also, I know it isn't an indicator but WTF their website! It's very ugly, it makes me think about a website design in the 90's, I can do better with Paint.

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Looks really like a scam, but no strong proofs, yet.

Just clarify an important moment, please: have they already started an ICO and gathered money?



Really? "not strong proofs" what else do you want? Any HONEST ICO or business should never use a FAKE image of their team.

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FOREWORD.
Dear users, critics, current investors, potential investors.
We are glad that you criticize and discuss our project, up to nuances and minor flaws. It is wonderful. You help us to improve and develop.
And now our personal opinion: before launching the development of ICO and our project, we analyzed the market, from the current projects released to the stock exchange, to projects that decided to deceive investors by issuing a fraudulent fund-raising.
At the end of the analysis - we made a decision and declare:
"We are not going to adapt to the system, we are not going to produce a project on a template, the same goes for the compensation program, stories about the personal life of our team and their achievements in society." We gathered a circle of experts and experts capable of producing a really high-quality product and we will show Do you need this to show the quality of the team - do you need to know each member of this team personally? Or do we still look at the product itself? We are not going to involve most of the crypto-general in its implementation We believe that it is not advisable to declare publicly and demonstrate to the state authorities and the ordinary society their financial achievements and estates at the disposal of millions of dollars for the sale of the product, because in the first place - we must provide the product itself, our creation, our achievement. "

1. Another random platform with crypto-fiat.
We are well aware that to date there are several companies that have announced the creation of their own plastic card. This is explained by the desire to optimize and simplify the possibility of urgent transfer of funds without the participation of online exchange offices, which currently regulate the rates and interest for withdrawal, as well as exclude the possibility of fraud from the exchange office. Sometimes it is worth paying a fixed interest rate for the urgency of withdrawal in an ATM, rather than saving on nerves and emotions.

2. The short period of existence of pages of social networks, media sources and journalistic accounts is explained by the fact that we are of the opinion that there is no need in some cases for a public statement on the implementation of collection of such a scale of investment funds. To date, there are many precedents associated with public statements of the estate at the disposal of working capital (it does not matter whether it is a crypto currency or another kind of bank notes).
Take as an example the fact: how do you think how many crypto-billionaires try to keep anonymous, because? can fall under further pressure from the state authorities of the country of their stay or the country of their business.
No, we do not in any way claim that our team uses extraneous names, surnames, photographs and so on. We simply adhere to the rules of conducting a quality business that can lead our company to success and provide you with a developed product that can change the world and make it richer.

3. GITHUB. A linguistic error in the name of the company.
This fact was checked and the relevant persons responsible for content and content were brought to disciplinary punishment! Thank you to our critics, for helping us improve! We appreciate it and perceive it as support!

4. As for our PR-manager, Jessica Anderson. To date, at its disposal more than 3 projects for implementation. Some of them require no time spent on participating in outside projects.

5. The name JOSEF is correct. The general manager of the company comes from the Czech Republic, the name is written without the use of the "PH" signs at the end.

6. NEF TOKEN: We are aware that earlier some companies announced the release of a similar (by name) token. Relations with him we do not have. Our goal: the early release of the token on the exchange, analogues at the moment for linguistics and the origin of the crypto currency in the market - no. We act like an "Arms Race", and we will take pride of place in the top 10 crypto currency. We are sure.

7. We have no relations with organizations with similar names dealing with a similar type of activity. all of them are on the territory of the traditional market, which has nothing to do with the market of crypto-currencies.

8. The early term of creating a website and registering a domain, we consider not an objective reason for identifying doubts. Initially, the project strategy and its further implementation plan are developed. Everyone has their own business model of development.

9. Andy Curtman is our freelance designer, with whom we have been working for more than six months. We published it in the section of our team, not so that you would check how competent it is in this matter, and first of all to show you our performers. This photo was published by him personally, and even if he has to do with the account in the instagram - for us it does not matter its origin, t. first of all we look at the quality of the product, which every member of our team controls.

10. Similarity of descriptions (2-3 sentences) with some sources on the Internet.
Note that the wordings coincide in the description of the position of a specialist. Is it that the copywriter who prepared the text used a template, a ready source and did not pay 2 minutes for rewriting - is there something bad?

11. Regarding your opinion that you should not trust a company that used someone's photo: we do not consider it objectively and not applicable to our project. First: we analyze one photo. The answer was previously stated. Read above.
Secondly: we did not call a special photographer to photograph the team on the same background and so on. We are all people and this is our desire, choose the photo on which we look best. Or are there any mandatory requirements for placing photos in the project?

12. Regarding the presence in the team of investors of early periods: how did the company take it that all investors publicly advertised sources of their investments and relations with the projects? Why should this be published somewhere?

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So, you don't want to show your team members to investors?

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So, you don't want to show your team members to investors?


Based on what do you have this question? Based on our foregoing opinion that the quality of the product for us is more important than showing a personal life? We tried to show our position on this score as clearly as possible. We are perfectly aware that the market for implementing projects through ICO is now full of fraudulent teams, but nevertheless we have posted enough information about the team using material from our personal lives. Criticizing photos is one thing, but to argue that the project deserves the status of SCAM is another. Want to see a detailed report of the team on the work done - you will see, we have prepared a very convenient model for tracking the status of product manufacturing and budget allocation. Right now we are preparing its implementation and will soon produce a technical announcement with demo access.

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So, you don't want to show your team members to investors?


Based on what do you have this question?

Based on you trying to collect 60 million dollars from naive people.

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So, you don't want to show your team members to investors?


Based on what do you have this question?

Based on you trying to collect 60 million dollars from naive people.

How many people - so many opinions. But getting a negative evaluation from you to the status of trust was superfluous. We also know how to listen to criticism, tomorrow we will raise the question about the developer's video diary, in order to once and for all end up doubting. Thank you for your opinion, we appreciate it and are ready to listen to everyone.

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https://like.doctor/chelyabinsk/vrachi/hakimov-andrey-enesovich

http://vkontakte.info/id4739738

Interesting part is both Aндpeй and Дapья are from Chelyabinsk  Roll Eyes what are the odds... I'd say both pictures are taken from the same photographer/studio.

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11. Regarding your opinion that you should not trust a company that used someone's photo: we do not consider it objectively and not applicable to our project. First: we analyze one photo. The answer was previously stated. Read above.
Secondly: we did not call a special photographer to photograph the team on the same background and so on. We are all people and this is our desire, choose the photo on which we look best. Or are there any mandatory requirements for placing photos in the project?

identity theft ?
How would you feel if someone is using your personal picture and using it for whatever? What about if I edit a porn zoophile video and use your face then show the video to your friends, neighbors, etc, and to the whole www. and it will be in forever. Why do you think some people are working hard to manage their e-reputation and sometimes lawyers are used

Did you ask the permission to someone to use the photos of other people
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Identity theft is the deliberate use of someone else's identity, usually as a method to gain a financial advantage or obtain credit and other benefits in the other person's name,[1][2] and perhaps to the other person's disadvantage or loss. The person whose identity has been assumed may suffer adverse consequences,[3] especially if they are held responsible for the perpetrator's actions

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We are glad to welcome you! Thank you for being with us. Despite numerous attempts to doubt our project, we continue to fight for the right to sell our product, because we have the right to do so.
Everyone who spends time trying to find reasons to push investors away from our project, we express our enormous gratitude. we know that all this implies a waste of time and attention to our project, and this is still work. Thanks you! But our goal is clear, the position is clear, the product is in demand, the team is cohesive.

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Why do you write all this, what are you trying to achieve? Your excuses are so naive that no investors will be interested in your questionable "project". Once again: the photos are not yours, the site is made by the child, the brand is clearly stolen.

Based on what do you have this question? Based on our foregoing opinion that the quality of the product for us is more important than showing a personal life?

These words are meaningless!
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we continue to fight for the right to sell our product, because we have the right to do so.
You have right to show to potential investors real pictures of your CEO, COO, CTO with real resume. What happened to their linkeding profiles?

But our goal is clear, the position is clear, the product is in demand, the team is cohesive.
All I can see is this: fake team members, resume stolen from other people, no whitepaper, lending platform with exactly the same name and idea as another lending platform (neofinance.com)...
Btw, where is your company registered at?

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we continue to fight for the right to sell our product, because we have the right to do so.
You have right to show potential investors real pictures of your CEO, COO, CTO with real resume. What happened to their linkeding profiles?

But our goal is clear, the position is clear, the product is in demand, the team is cohesive.
All I can see is this: fake team members, resume stolen from other people, no whitepaper, lending platform with exactly the same name and idea as another lending platform (neofinance.com)...
Btw, where is your company registered at?

1. Regarding the fake team, we wrote above our opinion.
2. Concerning the coincidence of the two lines of summary - similarly, everything is written above, let's save both your and our time and just read carefully.
3. How is it that we do not have WhitePaper? https://neofinance.io/documents/White_Paper.pdf, is located on the site in the Problem / Solution section, there is also OnePager https://neofinance.io/documents/One_pager.pdf and Token sale https://neofinance.io/documents/Token_sale.pdf
4. Coincidence of the company name and activity? NO! The concept of NEO and FINANCE in terms of its semantic load entails innovative activity in the financial sector. The company you are talking about working with traditional currencies, our ideas with them are not similar and do not coincide, the same applies to the financial model.
5. We want to note a little about the phrase above "Children's Design". The design for this site is made by the author's method with the use of author's illustrative techniques and the best marketing techniques. Do not so defiantly react, keep the intelligentsia in communication and ethics.

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Where is your company registered? Where can we find your office?

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August 08, 2018, 02:34:00 PM
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So according to you, you are fine with stealing identity pictures just because you "do not consider it objectively and not applicable to your project" and you "analyzed" a photo that you liked? Which expert would like to have his name tied with the photo of someone else? Using your logic it would be ok to create an ICO using Kardashian selfies.

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do you need to know each member of this team personally?
No, because nobody is interested to know someone using the photo of someone else

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The design for this site is made by the author's method with the use of author's illustrative techniques and the best marketing techniques.
Best marketing techniques? we are in 2018 not in 1990!

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The profile pics looks like stock images or random pics from internet
The domains registered last month,but the it claims that project is in development from many months
Their github account is new and empty (and they claim the project is in active development !)
The grammer ,writing style is same on all linked in profiles

I dare the ICO owner (scammer) to make  live video AMA with all the team members to prove that their team and ICO is legit

Until then, this is a SCAM ICO for me


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