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October 15, 2011, 06:29:37 PM
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Alright, that is a contradiction. However, I don't feel a poll is an accurate measure. There is more incentive for those who don't like me to vote than those who happen to support me and casually read the forum.

So what you're saying is you have supporters, just not ones that are dedicated enough to support you if the effort involves two or more mouse clicks.
No. I really don't know. Do what you wish. The fact is I am an honest and reliable individual.
Honest, except that you told everybody you were dedicated to projects you now admit you weren't.  Reliable, except you've never finished a single project you've proposed.

Right.

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October 15, 2011, 06:30:39 PM
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Deep research = literally just typing the name of your charity into Wikipedia
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October 15, 2011, 06:33:38 PM
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Alright, that is a contradiction. However, I don't feel a poll is an accurate measure. There is more incentive for those who don't like me to vote than those who happen to support me and casually read the forum.

So what you're saying is you have supporters, just not ones that are dedicated enough to support you if the effort involves two or more mouse clicks.
No. I really don't know. Do what you wish. The fact is I am an honest and reliable individual.
Honest, except that you told everybody you were dedicated to projects you now admit you weren't.

I haven't done this.
Go read post #45 in this very thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48325.msg576554#msg576554

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October 15, 2011, 07:07:02 PM
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I would have been interested in this, but you have a bad reputation on these forums and I want nothing to do with you.
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October 15, 2011, 07:31:32 PM
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Hahaha, fuck you dude. Kiva isn't a charity at all, it isn't even close. "Charity" is giving away the money for free and expecting NOTHING in return. Kiva expects you to pay back with at least a 35% interest rate.


Non-interest-free microlending is pretty much straight-up harmful to growing economies, see this npr story for a brief overview: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/01/10/132803684/the-microfinance-backlash

Way to prattle on and on about how everything in society like paying taxes and doing homework makes you a slave while utilizing your means to turn actual disadvantaged people into debt slaves, you fucking selfish cunt.
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October 15, 2011, 07:32:45 PM
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I really don't. Ask the majority and they will say I am a reputable guy.
Why do you keep asserting this when the evidence clearly points to the opposite conclusion?  The fact that you cling to your delusions and refuse to attempt to ascertain the truth is just further evidence of your unreliability.

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October 15, 2011, 07:35:08 PM
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Atlas might be controversial but I haven't seen anybody who has actually lost money to him.

He has explicitly stated before, that he wants to get his project-ideas out early to get feedback, even if they are not fully thought through.

Although I don't necessarily approve of this strategy and while I certainly don't share his world view, he strikes me as a passionate and honorable young man with a civilized style of debate who indeed does have earned himself some respect around here.

Regardless of that, I don't think ad hominem attacks are very helpful in any case and the tone in this particular thread leaves certainly much to be desired.
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October 15, 2011, 07:38:29 PM
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Atlas might be controversial but I haven't seen anybody who has actually lost money to him.

He has explicitly stated before, that he wants to get his project-ideas out early to get feedback, even if they are not fully thought through.

Although I don't necessarily approve of this strategy and while I certainly don't share his world view, he strikes me as a passionate and honorable young man with a civilized style of debate who indeed does have earned himself some respect around here.

Regardless of that, I don't think ad hominem attacks are very helpful in any case and the tone in this particular thread leaves certainly much to be desired.

Reputation is everything, and if you actually dug through his post history you'd see why you are wrong.
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October 15, 2011, 07:40:02 PM
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Atlas might be controversial but I haven't seen anybody who has actually lost money to him.

He has explicitly stated before, that he wants to get his project-ideas out early to get feedback, even if they are not fully thought through.

Although I don't necessarily approve of this strategy and while I certainly don't share his world view, he strikes me as a passionate and honorable young man with a civilized style of debate who indeed does have earned himself some respect around here.
What a load of BS.  If you saw a contractor bid on your neighbors' jobs again and again and again and never show up or do any work, you'd get pretty pissed off when you saw him bid on yet another job, regardless of whether he eventually returned their deposits or not.  

Reputation matters.  If you don't want a bad one, stop proposing shit you can't follow through on.

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October 15, 2011, 07:41:51 PM
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Hahaha, fuck you dude. Kiva isn't a charity at all, it isn't even close. "Charity" is giving away the money for free and expecting NOTHING in return. Kiva expects you to pay back with at least a 35% interest rate.


Non-interest-free microlending is pretty much straight-up harmful to growing economies, see this npr story for a brief overview: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/01/10/132803684/the-microfinance-backlash

Way to prattle on and on about how everything in society like paying taxes and doing homework makes you a slave while utilizing your means to turn actual disadvantaged people into debt slaves, you fucking selfish cunt.
I see no consensus pointing towards Kiva's lending program doing harm. Credit can be harmful but it can be done consciously and responsibly. It is necessary for starting many businesses and entrepreneurship is the engine that drives wealth product.

I hold Kiva as a charity because it does help people and it helps them efficiently with actual production of wealth for societies.




Lending != charity; and credit is definitely harmful when you are lending money to people who are in such a dire situation that they feel they need a microloan and then charge them interest at a rate roughly 10x as large as the rate on many home mortgages
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October 15, 2011, 07:42:34 PM
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I hold Kiva as a charity because it does help people and it helps them efficiently with actual production of wealth for societies.

Why, because their website said so? You've already admitted that all the research you've done was reading their own site (or at least some of their own site).
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October 15, 2011, 07:45:40 PM
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Quote from: Atlas
If an organization's profit is help bringing people out of poverty and the means are effective, I hold it as a charity.
And again, your judgement of their efficacy is based entirely on what you read in their promotional materials.
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October 15, 2011, 07:47:23 PM
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No. I've seen the statistics and the critiques. There is room for improvement but I only see a net positive.

If you've seen these things, why were you telling everyone they charged no interest as recently as an hour ago?
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October 15, 2011, 07:47:27 PM
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Immanuel, what robotics were you a part of and what was your position there if it was first please provide the team number as a former member and current mentor of a first team for 7 years now(4 as a student 3 and counting as the mentor for their cad program) this is of intrest to me.

More relevant to this topic i see an employee od kiva was in the newbies section a few days ago why is it you and not this member
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43677
attempting such a thing as this?

You may have potential as a PR representive or a public speaker however your track record as an organizer and project lead outside of your "project mainstream"(a pr campaign) does not look to be quite the caliber you continually insist it is.

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October 15, 2011, 07:47:48 PM
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I would highly prefer if all of you stayed out of my affairs and used your time more effectively.

Wha...?

Guy, you're the one who made a thread about a project you haven't done adequate research into.

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October 15, 2011, 07:50:23 PM
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What a load of BS.  If you saw a contractor bid on your neighbors' jobs again and again and again and never show up or do any work, you'd get pretty pissed off when you saw him bid on yet another job, regardless of whether he eventually returned their deposits or not.  

Reputation matters.  If you don't want a bad one, stop proposing shit you can't follow through on.


I don't bid on jobs. Nobody ever came to me for the ideas I proposed. Your analogy is bunk.
Do you actually know what an analogy is?  The point is that people can get sick of you proposing projects you won't follow through on, even if you don't actually steal people's money, in the same way they'd get sick of seeing a contractor competing for contracts and then not showing up to do the work.  See, the situations are analogous, even if the details differ.

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October 15, 2011, 07:54:07 PM
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If an organization's profit is help bringing people out of poverty and the means are effective, I hold it as a charity.
Hahahaha... so in your eyes, any multi-national corporation who pays it's staff enough to eat and put a roof over their heads is a charity in your eyes? PMSL!  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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