A Good Thing Or Not?

[cabalism13]

We know that campaigns causes traffics in the internet which is beneficial to these related websites. And also with this, the forum might have donations for advertising their projects.

But nowadays, Bitcoin Value is continuously dropping and as I observed this affects the online markets as well as the investors. Although we know that the value of bitcoin is volatile, we still can't deny that having a dropped down value also causes the deminishing number of campaigns here in the forum. Or having the fact that there are so many tokens and platforms had been generated these past months, that's why they dont seem to have some unique ideas to introduce and make it for the competition in the market.

With this bounty hunters, spammers, and other members that posts low qualities are on a vacation of flooding the forum. And as I think about it, if these campaigns where about to disappear (although its impossible), It wouldn't leave us a large impact of loss.
There would be no other reasons for the others to continue posting if they know nothing will benefit them(JMO).

It will be BER months soon and as the majority expects on Bitcoin, the value should rise up again and Campaigns will definitely appear again. (I wish?)

[yahoo62278]

So what you're saying is you hope during september to december you hope bitcoin rises in value so that more companies start signature campaigns? If this happens then you have more incentive to post? If it doesn't you'll stop posting?

Honestly what you posted sounded more like gibberish. People are not supposed to be on here posting only because they are being paid to do so. Being in a signature campaign is supposed to be a privilege. Users from all the poorer areas of the world have made it their sole income.(which is fine as long as they can post constructively but as you see a lot of users bitching about the sub par posts and spammy shit)


Now when you're talking about "bounty hunters", they're never gonna go away no matter the rates. The number of them keeps increasing weekly. They don't really give a damn about much except getting paid in whatever currency is promised. They work really hard, just ask em. It's super tough to copy/paste a link on twitter a few times a week.

Don't get me wrong, there are advantages to campaigns on the forum. All the backlinks created, getting more ppl involved with bitcoin, and getting more businesses involved with bitcoin. The problem is all the scams that come along with all the legit companies. We are looking at something like for every 1 legit company 10 scams are launched.

With the bitcoin rate dropping, I think more companies would be willing to open up more campaigns vs if the rate keeps increasing. They would much rather spend 12-15k a month on campaigns vs 60-80k a month when bitcoin was up around 20k per.

Just my 2 cents

[cabalism13]

So what you're saying is you hope during september to december you hope bitcoin rises in value so that more companies start signature campaigns?

Well yes, I just think so. As long the companies knows that they'll have more profits I think? During that time the market flows fast unlike now, that's why I think it is the time other campaigns will simply pop out of the bleu.

If this happens then you have more incentive to post? If it doesn't you'll stop posting?

I think it still depends on how it goes. (Well, if its just me, I'm still posting even though I'm not on a campaign just to keep myself updated from here)

Honestly what you posted sounded more like gibberish. People are not supposed to be on here posting only because they are being paid to do so. Being in a signature campaign is supposed to be a privilege. Users from all the poorer areas of the world have made it their sole income.(which is fine as long as they can post constructively but as you see a lot of users bitching about the sub par posts and spammy shit)

I sincerely apologize if you see my posts as gibberish as you think, I respect your opinion. You maybe right on the fact that "People are not supposed to be on here posting only because they are being paid to do so. " but we can't deny that almost the majority of those who are in the bounties is doing these things.

Now when you're talking about "bounty hunters", they're never gonna go away no matter the rates. The number of them keeps increasing weekly. They don't really give a damn about much except getting paid in whatever currency is promised. They work really hard, just ask em. It's super tough to copy/paste a link on twitter a few times a week.

Then, even if the campaigns is deminishing, I guess they're still not on a vacation based on your statement.

Don't get me wrong, there are advantages to campaigns on the forum. All the backlinks created, getting more ppl involved with bitcoin, and getting more businesses involved with bitcoin. The problem is all the scams that come along with all the legit companies. We are looking at something like for every 1 legit company 10 scams are launched.

Don't worry, I do undertsand what you're saying. It's just that I've just created this topic based on my own observations during the outmost time (jan-april) there have been a lot more campaigns and the value of bitcoin is still way up on the heavens, unlike now less campaign low bitcoin value. (JMO)

With the bitcoin rate dropping, I think more companies would be willing to open up more campaigns vs if the rate keeps increasing. They would much rather spend 12-15k a month on campaigns vs 60-80k a month when bitcoin was up around 20k per.
Just my 2 cents

Sorry for having a different thinking from yours

[Strufmbae]

Bounty/signature/avatar/facebook/twitter campaigns are not the real problem,  the real problem is the posters,  even thou there are always camps no matter what rates they offer there would be still participants that will join. But,  the only thing that can fix it is by choosing the participants  well.
And you also, as a part of bitcointalk forum/community should do your job as well, same time member of the forum and a participant of the campaign.  "etiquette"
Only fools does not accept correction. 
Good/not is broad.
  I rest my case.

[BTCforJoe]

Here's the thing. Not every company will succeed with a signature or bounty campaign here. Most of the campaigns that are started and conducted here are absolute shit and ran by managers who don't care about the health or integrity of the forums. There are very few managers that run responsible campaigns that manually check the progress and posts of their users. Very few.

So what you're saying is that you wish more companies would use the forums to advertise through a signature or bounty campaign? This just produces more spam, thus losing the effectiveness of any given campaign in general. But I will say this. The successful responsible campaigns here are the ones that are always full and have lists of forum members waiting to get into. In my opinions, we need more of THESE types of campaigns, not just "more" in general.

While it's great that you can make money by posting here and joining bounties, I really hope that you don't just look at the forums as a dollar sign. It's cool to have you here, but I really hope that you're posting constructively, and not just wishing that there are more campaigns to join just so you can make some money during the "slower" or more active Bitcoin seasons...

[mobilazy]

If ICOs start hiring only trustworthy bounty managers we'll all win here. Less spam (wouldn't be counted), fewer alt accounts (would be found and kicked) and therefore better experience both for bounty hunters and rest of the people. But the majority are lazy SOB not doing their job accordingly and letting in spammers (more like welcoming them) and alts. It is becoming normal not to see the spreadsheet updated for 3 and more weeks then all of the sudden everybody gets their stakes. Imagine how badly they do the posts filtering and catching spammers.

I'm saying we need trust system for bounty managers and not every shmucker deserves to be one.

[mdayonliner]

People are not supposed to be on here posting only because they are being paid to do so.

Absolutely correct. Being here is not about earning money, being here means hanging out with the community, help and spread the positive vibe about bitcoin, being here is to make the bitcoin community stronger.

Unfortunately, some people think it as a platform to earn their bread and butter and these people will exist everywhere. It's ok for them to earn money using the platform but it's wrong when they do not care about the platform a little. Instead of posting shits all the time they could use some of their time to improve their relationship with the forum.

[Mpamaegbu]

Here's the thing. Not every company will succeed with a signature or bounty campaign here. Most of the campaigns that are started and conducted here are absolute shit...

I don't know what it is I actually miss about this post because as it sounds contrary to near general conception. I know this forum is the most active cryptocurrency site and with the highest level of signature and bounty campaigns. If advertisers don't feel they get their money's worth why would they flock here? I bet the companies running their campaigns and adverts here will disagree with you, BTCforJoe.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There would be no other reasons for the others to continue posting if they know nothing will benefit them(JMO).

I didn't quite get the point of this whole post, but I understood the above quite well and I agree with it.  I'm assuming it's the whole reason why Theymos hasn't nuked signature campaigns and has basically said he's not going to.

If you wanted to solve the shitposting problem on bitcointalk, you could probably do it in the blink of an eye just by banning campaigns and bounties.  I don't think that's a great idea, though I sort of used to.  I think the rules of participant selection should be tightened up a lot, and I do see some managers requiring both a merit and rank minimum, and that's a really good thing--even though that doesn't stop idiots from applying for those campaigns even though they don't qualify.

Need an example of that?  Voila:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=471336
Post Count: 543
Merit Count: 500
BTC Address: 31jYX3Jgm9C6FLuePNhmcW2Sf6NByiZpw4
Telegram Username: @Gekko463

I know that the merit requirement is 550 but I have 500. We can negotiate a custom payment offer.

Sig campaigns are a fantastic idea, and I've always thought it was pretty clever.  The way they get executed is another matter, and the altcoin bounties are even worse, since they don't seem to like using escrow and pay in tokens that could easily go to zero.  And while I don't think sig campaigns are going to be extinct anytime soon, there certainly don't seem to be as many of them as there used to be.  Not sure that has anything to do with bitcoin's price, but I don't have a better explanation for that.

[edwardceng]

this's a funny thing when the price of Bitcoin affects the number of campaigns and participants in this forum. when someone is on this forum with the sole purpose of only looking for dollars, of course, this will not make them care about the quality of this forum and they scream every day because it isn't enough to take part in several campaigns with certain criteria.

[BTCforJoe]

Here's the thing. Not every company will succeed with a signature or bounty campaign here. Most of the campaigns that are started and conducted here are absolute shit...

I don't know what it is I actually miss about this post because as it sounds contrary to near general conception. I know this forum is the most active cryptocurrency site and with the highest level of signature and bounty campaigns. If advertisers don't feel they get their money's worth why would they flock here? I bet the companies running their campaigns and adverts here will disagree with you, BTCforJoe.

They flock here because they know they can find a campaign manager that will accept anybody and everybody into their campaigns. I've been marketing for the better part of two decades now, and what I know is that successful companies launch campaigns with a budget in mind. Paying a couple thousand dollars for a campaign here to bring views to the company is cheaper than spending tens of thousands on conventional promotions and advertising campaigns. What they fail to realize is that just because you bring views does NOT mean that those views equate to conversions of sales.

I'm willing to bet that less than 10% of the companies who offer bounty campaigns and signatures here extend them to more than just one round of campaigns.

[MainIbem]

Bitcointalk.org is not only about bounty. It is a forum for discussing and promoting the cutting edge technology, blockchain and its associated cryptocurrencies. Yes, there is a reward for working on campaigns but that is not all there is.

I urge you to expand your thinking about bitcointalk.org and stop thinking that this forum is for bounty alone.

[hilariousetc]

But nowadays, Bitcoin Value is continuously dropping and as I observed this affects the online markets as well as the investors. Although we know that the value of bitcoin is volatile, we still can't deny that having a dropped down value also causes the deminishing number of campaigns here in the forum. Or having the fact that there are so many tokens and platforms had been generated these past months, that's why they dont seem to have some unique ideas to introduce and make it for the competition in the market.

With this bounty hunters, spammers, and other members that posts low qualities are on a vacation of flooding the forum. And as I think about it, if these campaigns where about to disappear (although its impossible), It wouldn't leave us a large impact of loss.
There would be no other reasons for the others to continue posting if they know nothing will benefit them(JMO).

It will be BER months soon and as the majority expects on Bitcoin, the value should rise up again and Campaigns will definitely appear again. (I wish?)

I don't think there's any logic or truth to what you're saying at all (if I understand you correctly). Where are your figures or sources for the 'diminishing number of campaigns'? Bitcoin paying campaigns come and go, but they don't magically pop up in droves when the price is high then disappear when it falls. Many are promoting bitcoin-based business and they don't suddenly shut up shop when bitcoin has a "bad" time because it is irrelevant to them and is business as usual regardless of bitcoins current value. Also, ICO campaigns are more popular than ever and multiple new ones pop up every month and they will only continue to grow here because it costs them nothing to pay people in tokens and even if their ICO fails they've lost nothing but time so a signature campaign is too good of an opportunity not to take.

I'm assuming it's the whole reason why Theymos hasn't nuked signature campaigns and has basically said he's not going to.

Not entirely true. Theymos has stated the next option if merit fails will likely be to just remove signature completely. Problem solved. I don't think that should be done without trying the other options that are available first and I have personally suggest numerous things that would help greatly, but they all need the go-ahead or input from theymos.

If you wanted to solve the shitposting problem on bitcointalk, you could probably do it in the blink of an eye just by banning campaigns and bounties.  I don't think that's a great idea, though I sort of used to.  I think the rules of participant selection should be tightened up a lot, and I do see some managers requiring both a merit and rank minimum, and that's a really good thing--even though that doesn't stop idiots from applying for those campaigns even though they don't qualify.

Merely enforcing the signature campaign guidelines would go a long way. As long as campaigns can get away with doing nothing then they will. If there's repercussions then they will change their ways. It will be pretty annoying if signatures ever do get banned completely because those that have caused the mess in the first place will instantly leave in a mass exodus never to return, and then all the quality posters are punished for something the spammers who don't even care about bitcoin  or the forum have caused. This is why I think signatures should be removed from lower ranks and you don't get them until you've acquired a decent amount of merit. People should have to earn their right to earn from here, and everyone shouldn't be punished just because of those that look to exploit the forum.

[markdario112616]

Bitcointalk.org is not only about bounty. It is a forum for discussing and promoting the cutting edge technology, blockchain and its associated cryptocurrencies. Yes, there is a reward for working on campaigns but that is not all there is.

Well, that is supposed to be the purposed of the forum. But, not all think the same, especially if the reason of some is only to earn and not to be educated. I agree, that this wasn't to supposed to be the mindset of some, but in reality, money really talks. They seize this type of opportunity by sacrificing a much brighter future.

I urge you to expand your thinking about bitcointalk.org and stop thinking that this forum is for bounty alone.

It's easy to say than done, most probably 1 out of 10 would be the possible ratio of those, let's say new member/s are interested in learning and the rest are just for the bounty itself. Nonetheless, I agree that each everyone here must open their mind about this community but like I won't that be easy (for others, I guess).

[2girls]

There would be no other reasons for the others to continue posting if they know nothing will benefit them(JMO).

I didn't quite get the point of this whole post, but I understood the above quite well and I agree with it.  I'm assuming it's the whole reason why Theymos hasn't nuked signature campaigns and has basically said he's not going to.

If you wanted to solve the shitposting problem on bitcointalk, you could probably do it in the blink of an eye just by banning campaigns and bounties.  I don't think that's a great idea, though I sort of used to.  I think the rules of participant selection should be tightened up a lot, and I do see some managers requiring both a merit and rank minimum, and that's a really good thing--even though that doesn't stop idiots from applying for those campaigns even though they don't qualify.

Need an example of that?  Voila:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=471336
Post Count: 543
Merit Count: 500
BTC Address: 31jYX3Jgm9C6FLuePNhmcW2Sf6NByiZpw4
Telegram Username: @Gekko463

I know that the merit requirement is 550 but I have 500. We can negotiate a custom payment offer.

Sig campaigns are a fantastic idea, and I've always thought it was pretty clever.  The way they get executed is another matter, and the altcoin bounties are even worse, since they don't seem to like using escrow and pay in tokens that could easily go to zero.  And while I don't think sig campaigns are going to be extinct anytime soon, there certainly don't seem to be as many of them as there used to be.  Not sure that has anything to do with bitcoin's price, but I don't have a better explanation for that.

So you can solve the spam problem in a blink of an eye by banning signature campaigns    Well There are a lot of people on the forum who work hard to permote the projects and get money for it. 
Those hard workers problem can be solved too in a blink of an eye by Removing your DT Membership 

[finaleshot2016]

In short, you're saying that forum is non-sense if BTC falls down?

Well, there are so many people who enjoys discussion, debate, analysis, and study with everybody and learning different kind of things from each other that may help our society in improving, innovating and development that can affect the community and cryptocurrency. Forum's main purpose is to be informative, interactive and sharing thoughts mainly about the crypto. Campaigns isn't really the matter here, it is the way of helping someone who is asking for your assistance about the things you know.

[cabalism13]

this's a funny thing when the price of Bitcoin affects the number of campaigns and participants in this forum.

I think it's not funny at all, In fact, it is a real thing.

I urge you to expand your thinking about bitcointalk.org and stop thinking that this forum is for bounty alone.

Already knew that. What I'm talking about is the campaigns that I solely think it is decreasing in number.
I do understand if you're not getting my point, well atleast yahoo62278 have given a very suitable reply.

In short, you're saying that forum is non-sense if BTC falls down?

When did I say that? Seriously? Can you quote it?
I think you'd better start learning English again mate.

Campaigns isn't really the matter here, it is the way of helping someone who is asking for your assistance about the things you know.

Sorry mate but I'm the one who started this TOPIC, but it seems you can't understand it well. If you're just here to repeat all the statements above by just reconstructing it in your own then your post doesn't belong here. Go somewhere else on the other sections or maybe just stay on the Philippine section.