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February 25, 2014, 04:29:13 PM
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Hi,

This sunday i've sent a transaction to 3 different addresses using my blockchain.info wallet using 0.0001 commissions (i thought it was enough, was i wrong?). Today the transaction is still not confirmed, and propagation is very low (2 nodes).

What should i do now? Someone told me to rescan my wallet but i can't 'cos i used a blockchain.info account

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February 25, 2014, 04:47:21 PM
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Can you give us the transaction IDs so that we can check?
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February 25, 2014, 04:57:24 PM
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sure: 033480dc55e79381f69dbf9097d3e9d2a13194ea94b5b93a2cebc52027d58dae

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February 25, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
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I see why. It is because your transaction has many inputs and many outputs.
If you don't understand, it means you are sending the bitcoins from many addresses to many other destinations.

It should eventually confirm, but it's difficult to know when. You should've paid more fees.
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February 25, 2014, 05:01:38 PM
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 Grin Takes time but will be confirmed for sure!
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February 25, 2014, 05:03:16 PM
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Ok, so i just have to wait? Rougly how much time? (days, weeks, centuries...). Thank you, i'm more relaxed now...

How can i correctly calculate the fees the next time?

also, do i need fees to move btc between different addresses of my blockchain wallet?

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February 25, 2014, 05:06:46 PM
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Ok, so i just have to wait? Rougly how much time? (days, weeks, centuries...). Thank you, i'm more relaxed now...

How can i correctly calculate the fees the next time?



I have no idea how long you will have to wait. What client are you using?
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February 25, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
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blochchain.info online wallet.

I would prefer not to mess things up more, but there's no way to "pump" the transaction?

When you say "i have no idea" you mean that it could be mounths/years/centuries? If so, i for sure need a fix

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February 25, 2014, 05:12:27 PM
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blochchain.info online wallet.

I would prefer not to mess things up more, but there's no way to "pump" the transaction?

No, you cannot add more fees to an existing transaction. You should always use the recommended fee of the blockchain.info wallet, unless you are sending to 1 person only.
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February 25, 2014, 07:32:40 PM
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Ok, so i just have to wait? Rougly how much time? (days, weeks, centuries...). Thank you, i'm more relaxed now...

Generally if the transaction doesn't confirm within 3 days or so, blockchain.info will stop broadcasting the transaction.  As long as nobody else re-broadcasts the transaction, blockchain.info will drop the transaction and return the funds to your wallet.
 
How can i correctly calculate the fees the next time?

The blockchain.info wallet should calculate the correct fee for you unless you use "custom transaction".  If you use "custom transaction" and you don't know what you're doing, you are likely to pay insufficient fees and have this problem.

also, do i need fees to move btc between different addresses of my blockchain wallet?

Yes.

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February 25, 2014, 08:58:35 PM
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Ok, so i just have to wait? Rougly how much time? (days, weeks, centuries...). Thank you, i'm more relaxed now...

Generally if the transaction doesn't confirm within 3 days or so, blockchain.info will stop broadcasting the transaction.  As long as nobody else re-broadcasts the transaction, blockchain.info will drop the transaction and return the funds to your wallet.
 
How can i correctly calculate the fees the next time?

The blockchain.info wallet should calculate the correct fee for you unless you use "custom transaction".  If you use "custom transaction" and you don't know what you're doing, you are likely to pay insufficient fees and have this problem.

also, do i need fees to move btc between different addresses of my blockchain wallet?

Yes.



Your blockchain wallet means nothing. You are simply controlling various addresses from the same place.
If you do 1 to 1 or 2 to 2 transactions, (1 input, 1 output or 2 input, 2 output) you can add a fee of 0.001BTC, and it should work with no problems.
But in your case it is a 4 to 4 transaction, and you should use the default setting to send them.
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February 25, 2014, 09:55:04 PM
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Ok, so i just have to wait? Rougly how much time? (days, weeks, centuries...). Thank you, i'm more relaxed now...

Generally if the transaction doesn't confirm within 3 days or so, blockchain.info will stop broadcasting the transaction.  As long as nobody else re-broadcasts the transaction, blockchain.info will drop the transaction and return the funds to your wallet.
 
How can i correctly calculate the fees the next time?

The blockchain.info wallet should calculate the correct fee for you unless you use "custom transaction".  If you use "custom transaction" and you don't know what you're doing, you are likely to pay insufficient fees and have this problem.

also, do i need fees to move btc between different addresses of my blockchain wallet?

Yes.



Thank you for the explanation. I used the custom transaction 'cos i needed to send money to 3 wallets and wanted to minimize the fee, now i know it don't work like that (a formula for calculating the fees would be nice tough). I also used to store my money in many different address for inventary purpouse, now i know it's not a good thing for fees issues when i want to transfer money.

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February 25, 2014, 10:00:15 PM
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Ok, so i just have to wait? Rougly how much time? (days, weeks, centuries...). Thank you, i'm more relaxed now...

Generally if the transaction doesn't confirm within 3 days or so, blockchain.info will stop broadcasting the transaction.  As long as nobody else re-broadcasts the transaction, blockchain.info will drop the transaction and return the funds to your wallet.
 
How can i correctly calculate the fees the next time?

The blockchain.info wallet should calculate the correct fee for you unless you use "custom transaction".  If you use "custom transaction" and you don't know what you're doing, you are likely to pay insufficient fees and have this problem.

also, do i need fees to move btc between different addresses of my blockchain wallet?

Yes.



Thank you for the explanation. I used the custom transaction 'cos i needed to send money to 3 wallets and wanted to minimize the fee, now i know it don't work like that (a formula for calculating the fees would be nice tough). I also used to store my money in many different address for inventary purpouse, now i know it's not a good thing for fees issues when i want to transfer money.

There is a section on the bitcoin wiki about the transaction fees, but after reading it I still have no idea how it works. There are no calculators either.
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February 25, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
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not much user friendly... Sad

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February 26, 2014, 09:05:05 PM
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Note that one of your outputs is 1 satoshi (0.00000001). This is generally considered as an "dust output", and transactions containing those sometimes are not ever relayed through the network. Most miners won't include them in the blocks as well. In future, try to avoid creating these.

Source: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10986/what-is-meant-by-bitcoin-dust
It was included in main Bitcoin client here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577
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February 26, 2014, 10:03:52 PM
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Shit... 3 days passed, i got no refund and the transaction is stuck @ "0% - 2 nodes".

So my money are basically lost? That would be a shame...

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February 26, 2014, 10:13:52 PM
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Shit... 3 days passed, i got no refund and the transaction is stuck @ "0% - 2 nodes".

So my money are basically lost? That would be a shame...

Try asking for help from support at blockchain.info

I suspect they'll drop the transaction eventually.  I thought they typically did after about 3 days.  Perhaps they are waiting more like 5 days now?  Their support team should be able to help you.
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February 26, 2014, 10:26:03 PM
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So my money are basically lost? That would be a shame...
No, don't worry. The money is not lost. The transaction is not confirmed, so basically it is not "executed" -- and the money is still where it was initially.

The problem is that the transaction has a very small output; 0.00000001 BTC which is about 0.0005 cents.

The support of blockchain.info should be able to help you.

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February 26, 2014, 10:28:34 PM
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So my money are basically lost? That would be a shame...
No, don't worry. The money is not lost. The transaction is not confirmed, so basically it is not "executed" -- and the money is still where it was initially.

The problem is that the transaction has a very small output; 0.00000001 BTC which is about 0.0005 cents.

The support of blockchain.info should be able to help you.



Either contact support or wait for the transaction to get dropped from the pool memory.
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February 27, 2014, 07:58:43 AM
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No, don't worry. The money is not lost. The transaction is not confirmed, so basically it is not "executed" -- and the money is still where it was initially.

That is correct, even though blockchain.info misleads you by showing the transaction as "unconfirmed" (due to the fact that they authored the transaction, so they've included it into their memory pool) it doesn't exist anywhere else in the Bitcoin network. You can check that by using the alternative Block Explorer:

http://blockexplorer.com/tx/033480dc55e79381f69dbf9097d3e9d2a13194ea94b5b93a2cebc52027d58dae

So as tholenst said, just go to blockchain.info support and they will be able to resolve this. It's also a bug on their side that they allow sending such small outputs from their UI, so be sure to tell them that as well so nobody else encounters this issue.
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