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July 20, 2010, 01:19:00 AM
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I would like to know what information is displayed when sending and receiving payments using various payment processors. I'm particularly interested in Liberty Reserve and Moneybookers. Please feel free to ask or post information about other payment processors.

I think PayPal displays your real name to the other person when sending or receiving transactions. You shouldn't link your private email address to your public PayPal account because people could find out your name by sending you a small payment. When you send a Purchase payment, as opposed to a Personal payment, it displays your shipping address. Please correct me if any of the above is not correct.

With Pecunix, you have to set a name which doesn't have to be your real name and can easily be changed. It is displayed when sending or receiving payments. Another cool aspect of Pecunix is that you can make payments public with a secret web address which can be sent to a third party to prove that a payment occurred.

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July 20, 2010, 01:26:46 AM
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With Pecunix, you have to set a name which doesn't have to be your real name and can easily be changed. It is displayed when sending or receiving payments.

Liberty Reserve does that, too. The receiver can also see the sender's account number unless the sender paid extra for privacy protection.

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July 23, 2010, 09:05:02 PM
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It is possible to be pretty much anonymous with Liberty Reserve by virtue of the fact that one can use a "fake name" and unlimited number of accounts. However, like any anonymous payment method one's anonymity can be compromised by the method it is funded. Moneybookers requires real information and a real address plus a scanned ID copy etc. before ones account has any functionality. They are actually more strict than paypal. Not that I would recommend that anyone use paypal for anything.

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July 24, 2010, 01:58:45 AM
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I've discovered that Liberty Reserve does have a way for third-parties to verify that a transaction occurred.

I saw a thread a moment ago with a Russian speaking person who seems like he's interested in trading WebMoney. Does anyone know what public information, if any is displayed during WebMoney transactions? I would also like to know whether they have a way to prove to a third party that a transaction occurred and how difficult it is to fund and withdraw funds. If I can prove my transactions, fund and withdraw, I wouldn't mind trading with him. I don't think anyone has traded using Moneybookers on the Bitcoin Market and after the reviews I read, I'm not surprised. If WebMoney has the these features, I would probably ask dwdollar to switch the MoneyBookers for WebMoney so that we can trade with a wider variety of people.

I read some reviews about Moneybookers and they all seem to be pretty negative.

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July 24, 2010, 07:12:18 AM
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I've discovered that Liberty Reserve does have a way for third-parties to verify that a transaction occurred.

I saw a thread a moment ago with a Russian speaking person who seems like he's interested in trading WebMoney. Does anyone know what public information, if any is displayed during WebMoney transactions? I would also like to know whether they have a way to prove to a third party that a transaction occurred


You're talking about "arbitration"?

https://arbitrage.wmtransfer.com/asp/default.asp

and how difficult it is to fund and withdraw funds. If I can prove my transactions, fund and withdraw, I wouldn't mind trading with him. I don't think anyone has traded using Moneybookers on the Bitcoin Market and after the reviews I read, I'm not surprised. If WebMoney has the these features, I would probably ask dwdollar to switch the MoneyBookers for WebMoney so that we can trade with a wider variety of people.

I read some reviews about Moneybookers and they all seem to be pretty negative.

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July 24, 2010, 03:30:22 PM
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You're talking about "arbitration"?

https://arbitrage.wmtransfer.com/asp/default.asp
Yes, I am talking about arbitration, but from reading that page, it sounds like the company tries to serve as arbiter instead of giving people the tools to pick an independent outside arbiter who is trusted by both parties. It's hard to prove to the company that I sent a bitcoins to someone else, but if with a trusted service like the Bitcoin Market, he verifies that I have sent bitcoins, but ideally there should be a way to prove to him that the other person really sent the payment for the bitcoins. With Pecunix I can temporarily make a transaction public and send the arbiter a link to it and with Liberty Reserve, I can send the payment details to the arbiter to prove that payment was made. Anyway, that may not be clear, but I don't know how to explain it any better.

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July 24, 2010, 04:35:38 PM
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You're talking about "arbitration"?

https://arbitrage.wmtransfer.com/asp/default.asp
Yes, I am talking about arbitration, but from reading that page, it sounds like the company tries to serve as arbiter instead of giving people the tools to pick an independent outside arbiter who is trusted by both parties. It's hard to prove to the company that I sent a bitcoins to someone else, but if with a trusted service like the Bitcoin Market, he verifies that I have sent bitcoins, but ideally there should be a way to prove to him that the other person really sent the payment for the bitcoins. With Pecunix I can temporarily make a transaction public and send the arbiter a link to it and with Liberty Reserve, I can send the payment details to the arbiter to prove that payment was made. Anyway, that may not be clear, but I don't know how to explain it any better.

This is a russian system and for the russian authorities, at least, it gives the necessary russian documents for proof of payment. (But these documents have disputed value since Russian law has no concept of electronic money in general.)

About WM-currencies of other countries can't say anything, sorry

In any case, usually a deal based on trust owner webmoney purse and this refers to his "certificate of the seller" where are the rating of the seller.

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