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August 26, 2018, 06:10:32 PM
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Nvidia released absolutely dismal sales related to crypto chip sales today after market close. This is another sign to me that the bear market is not reversing any time soon.
I think it is the other way around. The decline of sales by the gpu manufacturer will only mean that the prices of cryptocurrencies could not keep up to the miner's expense that is why they don't see gpu mining profitable anymore. The decrease in sales of gpus does not mean that the bear market will still continue there is no point on connecting that, it just simply mean that the prices of cryptocurrencies and the block rewards they are getting is simply not appealing or profitable for them to still continue. Or it just simply mean that all the willing miners out here possibly are satisfied with the mining rigs they all have and has no plans of buying additional hardware anymore, especially when the new RTX gpu series of NVIDIA is about to launch.

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August 26, 2018, 07:00:30 PM
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This is their big ambition. They launch products too expensive to market and demand fast sales. That's very hard for them, since most investors or users. Want cheap and modern even where they want to be donated. That is not wrong, they should review to stabilize the market again.
Yes you are right. Maybe they must recheck or review their product as to how effective and affordable is  it to the investors. They must spare time to study and decide for this properly.
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August 26, 2018, 07:13:26 PM
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Nvidia is not selling chips for mining bitcoin.
Those are all used for GPU mining, and GPU mining profits are crashing down.

The demand is gone, on a site listing similar to eBay but just for our country, I've counted last week more than 100 ads selling between 6 and 100 GPU rigs with all that you need to start mining.
With a 1080TI making ROI in 25 months, I doubt anyone is still interested in them.

Back in December, you couldn't buy a damn video card, everything decent was only available for pre-order, now every model is in stock on all websites.

That's what people should understand. The lack of interest in chips has nothing to do with bear market. GPU mining was slowly becoming unprofitable anyway and their 100m predictions must have been based on the value of cryptocurrencies growing beyond the 2017 ATH. They made their predictions on the last 6 monts of 2017 and projected the profits onto 2018. You can't do that if you want reliable data.

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August 26, 2018, 07:36:30 PM
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Unfortunately ASIC is not helping the GPU companies as well. ASIC are taking over all the algorithms of mining. At the moment there is no money on GPU anymore with the current market.
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August 27, 2018, 05:55:36 AM
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It has nothing to do with the nm in the chips, it's all about reward and availability

The fabrication process invokes moore's law.

A smaller nm semiconductor process gives you a higher hash rate and lower electricity consumption. Have you ever wondered how new generations of ASICs produce greater hash rates @ decreased energy consumption? Its due to the downsizing in nm scaling.

This observation holds true with both ASICs and GPUs. It plays a big factor in how competitive GPUs are with ASICs in terms of mining profitability.

Availability and backlog of orders might be a valid point. That hasn't been an issue in a long time though. Its more of a historical myth that hasn't necessarily reflected the condition of markets in awhile.

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August 27, 2018, 08:35:59 AM
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Most coin price drop more than 80% and miners dont have much incentives and profits. With bitcoin price cheaper than before, investor prefer buying in market rather than mining and i think it reducing chipset demand. I am believe when market recover, demand on chipset will increasing again

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August 27, 2018, 11:59:27 AM
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Nvidia released absolutely dismal sales related to crypto chip sales today after market close. This is another sign to me that the bear market is not reversing any time soon. Bitcoin is in a sustained decline, and I view the culprit as the stupidity and hype that sent it to $19,000 in the first place. It was unsustainable and it has now very much poisoned mentality as crypto continues to fail to prove a suitable replacement to digital fiat and traditional centralized payment processors.

You are terribly exaggerating things, as always. Bitcoin is not in a sustained decline, it is not even in a decline right now, let alone sustained. From a trader's point of view we are in what is called a sideways market. From a more global (fundamental) perspective we might have entered the stable phase (think US dollar here), which can last for a very long time. Even though I don't quite believe in that thing myself, it may be a pivotal point at which speculation subsides and real growth expands (kind of dynamic balance).

Specifics on Nvidia's release:

Last quarter, they posted $289m in crypto-related chip sales, which is really a small percentage of their overall revenue. Despite that, they projected sales of only $100m this quarter, which at the time they made the prediction sent their shares down (despite it representing such a small portion of revenue). Today, they reported only $18m in crypto-related chip sales. Shares are now getting whacked in after-hours trading, which frankly makes no sense because they beat expectations on over all revenue and profit. Just shows that the idiotic crypto mentality has creeped into traditional investing.

Actually, I am not surprised at all. I don't really know if it is a fact of life but I'm strongly inclined to think that all these graphics chips allegedly designed specifically for mining (these were likely just defective chips which would otherwise be trashed anyway) were totally subpar when compared with genuine miners. So we just got back to normal.
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August 27, 2018, 08:16:20 PM
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Nvidia released absolutely dismal sales related to crypto chip sales today after market close. This is another sign to me that the bear market is not reversing any time soon. Bitcoin is in a sustained decline, and I view the culprit as the stupidity and hype that sent it to $19,000 in the first place. It was unsustainable and it has now very much poisoned mentality as crypto continues to fail to prove a suitable replacement to digital fiat and traditional centralized payment processors.

Specifics on Nvidia's release:

Last quarter, they posted $289m in crypto-related chip sales, which is really a small percentage of their overall revenue. Despite that, they projected sales of only $100m this quarter, which at the time they made the prediction sent their shares down (despite it representing such a small portion of revenue). Today, they reported only $18m in crypto-related chip sales. Shares are now getting whacked in after-hours trading, which frankly makes no sense because they beat expectations on over all revenue and profit. Just shows that the idiotic crypto mentality has creeped into traditional investing.
I agree that we now have the bearish market, because of previously have a really bullish one, but I find it positive that Nvidia sales for crypto purposes are dropping. Graphic cards are designed no display visual effects, make the gaming and film watching experience more enjoyable. Mining is just something they happen to be good at, but gamers are pissed that miners make the demand for graphic cards too high. They should be buying equipment specifically made for these purposes, like Antminers instead. And there are also quite some pos coins, so maybe people are just using more of them.

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August 28, 2018, 12:46:14 AM
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This can be due to the small amount of maintenance it has. It extends to inaccurate funds in its operation. This product is so delicate and limited. when im thinking of finding another energy source to use for something of mining. it can also be based on a wind or sea waves and so on. It is defined as an event that is truly effective as a solution.
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August 28, 2018, 06:09:52 AM
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It has nothing to do with the nm in the chips, it's all about reward and availability

The fabrication process invokes moore's law.

A smaller nm semiconductor process gives you a higher hash rate and lower electricity consumption. Have you ever wondered how new generations of ASICs produce greater hash rates @ decreased energy consumption? Its due to the downsizing in nm scaling.

This observation holds true with both ASICs and GPUs. It plays a big factor in how competitive GPUs are with ASICs in terms of mining profitability.

Availability and backlog of orders might be a valid point. That hasn't been an issue in a long time though. Its more of a historical myth that hasn't necessarily reflected the condition of markets in awhile.

I've read it somewhere on the Web about a year ago (maybe a little over a year) that ASIC's had already reached their maximum theoretical capacity (in terms of hashrate) due to technological limits imposed by the semiconductor process based on silicon. It has been the case with CPU's for almost a decade already. Processing frequencies no longer grow as you can't indefinitely diminish the size of the tranny. Yeah, I know there are a host of other factors at play here, but sooner or later stray quantum effects invariably kick in. And with CPU's this threshold seems to have already been reached. Perhaps, it is the same with GPU's as well.
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August 28, 2018, 06:21:14 PM
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It has nothing to do with the nm in the chips, it's all about reward and availability

The fabrication process invokes moore's law.

A smaller nm semiconductor process gives you a higher hash rate and lower electricity consumption. Have you ever wondered how new generations of ASICs produce greater hash rates @ decreased energy consumption? Its due to the downsizing in nm scaling.

This observation holds true with both ASICs and GPUs. It plays a big factor in how competitive GPUs are with ASICs in terms of mining profitability.

Availability and backlog of orders might be a valid point. That hasn't been an issue in a long time though. Its more of a historical myth that hasn't necessarily reflected the condition of markets in awhile.

That is what happens in theory, but as I've told you before, the reality looks different

This is the ETH hashrate, as you can see from June 2017 to February 2018 is has jumped x5 times, and from March it hasn't advanced even 20%.



This is BTC hashrate:


From June to March it has gone up 4 times, but.....it has also gone 2.5 since then, unlike ETH.

So, what's the normal conclusion?
That is a far shorter time span ETH miners have managed to bring the hash rate closer to a point where it makes little sense to mine, this due to the availability of miners.
In BTC case, it was never a problem of having cheap electricity and mining not being profitable, and this is the reason we're having continuous growth as more and more ASICs are being produced and sold.

If indeed your assumption of ASICs taking over from GPUs in ETH mining would be real we would have seen a spike in the hashrate, right? Which is not there!!!!!


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August 30, 2018, 10:02:00 AM
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This is BTC hashrate:


From June to March it has gone up 4 times, but.....it has also gone 2.5 since then, unlike ETH.

So, what's the normal conclusion?
That is a far shorter time span ETH miners have managed to bring the hash rate closer to a point where it makes little sense to mine, this due to the availability of miners.
In BTC case, it was never a problem of having cheap electricity and mining not being profitable, and this is the reason we're having continuous growth as more and more ASICs are being produced and sold.

If indeed your assumption of ASICs taking over from GPUs in ETH mining would be real we would have seen a spike in the hashrate, right? Which is not there!!!!!

There might never be a significant spike in bitcoin's mining hash rate. Such efforts have the potential to be cancelled out by shifts in bitcoin's difficulty mining algorithm, which could reduce the cost effectiveness of deploying a significant rise in hash power. The type of spike you're looking for could also suggest a significant spike in ASIC manufacturing quantities, which is unlikely.

That entire chart you posted resembles a significant spike in btc mining power in my eyes. (Example: the spike above september 2018.)

Especially when factoring in decline of demand for nvidia GPUs and GPUs in general.


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August 30, 2018, 02:24:25 PM
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There might never be a significant spike in bitcoin's mining hash rate. Such efforts have the potential to be cancelled out by shifts in bitcoin's difficulty mining algorithm, which could reduce the cost effectiveness of deploying a significant rise in hash power. The type of spike you're looking for could also suggest a significant spike in ASIC manufacturing quantities, which is unlikely.

That entire chart you posted resembles a significant spike in btc mining power in my eyes. (Example: the spike above september 2018.)

Especially when factoring in decline of demand for nvidia GPUs and GPUs in general.


In June we had one of the biggest spikes in hashrat,e 14.88%, just two points below the ones in December

Ok, let's take it in another way....
Right now, an S9J at my current power rates is bringing me close to 60$.
At this profitability rate, people are still adding miners.

Back in January, the same ASIC would have earned you close to 6 times this!
Why wasn't there a bigger rise in difficulty, and why we have them right now, when it's clear profits are down, increases comparable to that of December and January ?
And no, it's not because of more efficient miners, the current generation is nowhere near an increase of that proportion in hashing efficiency. It's simply because there weren't enough miners.

A look at bitmain's thread will show you that they've hiked prices for miners by a factor of 2 and still got sold out in a matter of hours. Why? Because there was nothing else to mine with available for sale.GPU mining reached its peak pretty fast due to the insane rates at which they can manufacture video cards, that's all.

It's like a guy who has 10km2 of land and buys 5 tractors and another who buys them one by one as in his country there are no tractors for sale.
In the first case, the guy will reach it's maximum efficiency fast and doesn't need additional tractors, the other is slowly but surely getting there. The first manufacturer has seen a 500% increase in sales and now he must brace for a 400% drop, the other is maintaining its sales rates at the same number.

Simply put, Nvidia thought (?) ( I'm not sure they've forecasted a linear growth) that ETH would increase or at least maintain levels to 01-01-2018, which would reflect ina 3x reward for miners. But ...something went wrong  Tongue


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October 04, 2018, 09:22:54 AM
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often happens that when ordinary investors turn away from the market, the market begins to grow. so maybe this is the beginning of growth

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