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[MilkyMilton]

There's one major principle in play here. I think it is one of times and seasons. Ideologies and their prevalence go round in circles. I think in the late 20th Century and early 2010s, liberalism gained a lot of ground. Then what follows is that people get fed up with the downsides of the ideology. All the PC garbage, loose borders amidst other points that liberalism sold are actually getting people sick. What we see with Trump and these other elections are just little signs of revolt that are bound to be experienced in most generations. Conservatism will also do its time, get people fed up and then the whole cycle continues

[Quickseller]

I don't think the Trump election, nor Brexit was anything close to right-wing extremism. Putin and Erdogan are both dictators (or at the very least, de-facto dictators), and are not elected, and as such do not reflect the will of the people.

Both the US and Europe have been ruled by very liberal leaders since the 2008 financial crisis and recession, and these liberal leaders are responsible for the subsequent weak economic recovery. I think Brexit was the 1st sign that the masses are rejecting liberalism, and it could have even been a sign of the death of liberalism.

From the looks of it, mainstream liberals are moving far to the left, including embracing radical ideas such as socialism (that has killed over 100 million people), and open borders (which basically removes any sense of sovereignty, or any possible rule of law). I would predict that liberalism will be pushed farther to the fringes of society.   

[Aidan_Davis]

I don't think the Trump election, nor Brexit was anything close to right-wing extremism. Putin and Erdogan are both dictators (or at the very least, de-facto dictators), and are not elected, and as such do not reflect the will of the people.

Both the US and Europe have been ruled by very liberal leaders since the 2008 financial crisis and recession, and these liberal leaders are responsible for the subsequent weak economic recovery. I think Brexit was the 1st sign that the masses are rejecting liberalism, and it could have even been a sign of the death of liberalism.

From the looks of it, mainstream liberals are moving far to the left, including embracing radical ideas such as socialism (that has killed over 100 million people), and open borders (which basically removes any sense of sovereignty, or any possible rule of law). I would predict that liberalism will be pushed farther to the fringes of society.   

I think that's a very important point about Turkey and Russia. I think for a quite some time the governments in both those countries have been doing whatever they want. They give absolutely no heed to what the people what. I read that Putin's rating recently dropped by about 20%! There are loads of people who aren't in agreement with what's happening there. I'm sure it's the same in Turkey.

What do you mean by socialism killing 100 million people?

[Dawson_V]

It seems like we are living in a conservatism time. Actually, people are not so conservative. Politicians are more conservative now, because they have no idea where to take us. The economy of many countries is not doing well and this is a reaction. People believe that protectionism is a way to boost national incomes. It is a mistake and history has shown it. On the one hand, we liberal tools such as the internet, social networks and cryptocurrency. On the other, we have politicians try to spread conservatism. I think the first group will win.

[Moloch]

Both the US and Europe have been ruled by very liberal leaders since the 2008 financial crisis and recession, and these liberal leaders are responsible for the subsequent weak economic recovery...

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

freenet, i2p, bitmessage... if there is a technical possibility to be censored, it may be use on you... on the other hand, the spam and polluting behaviors can be massive. Don't be dependent on a single point of failure, there are still a lot of centralized websites totally living the ideals of the liberty to post pixels on screens  .

[Quickseller]

What do you mean by socialism killing 100 million people?

See this WSJ editorial from November 2017:

[...]The victims include 200,000 killed during the Red Terror (1918-22); 11 million dead from famine and dekulakization; 700,000 executed during the Great Terror (1937-38); 400,000 more executed between 1929 and 1953; 1.6 million dead during forced population transfers; and a minimum 2.7 million dead in the Gulag, labor colonies and special settlements.

To this list should be added nearly a million Gulag prisoners released during World War II into Red Army penal battalions, where they faced almost certain death; the partisans and civilians killed in the postwar revolts against Soviet rule in Ukraine and the Baltics; and dying Gulag inmates freed so that their deaths would not count in official statistics.

If we add to this list the deaths caused by communist regimes that the Soviet Union created and supported—including those in Eastern Europe, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia—the total number of victims is closer to 100 million. That makes communism the greatest catastrophe in human history.[...]

Both the US and Europe have been ruled by very liberal leaders since the 2008 financial crisis and recession, and these liberal leaders are responsible for the subsequent weak economic recovery...

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You are right, nothing has changed in the US, except lower regulation, lower taxes, and a stronger economy....

[Moloch]

To this list should be added nearly a million Gulag prisoners

Whenever someone brings up Russian Gulags, I like to point out that US has been the world leader in imprisoned population since before I was born



This is the pot calling the kettle black.  The US has done as many bad things or worse than Russia.  You simply choose to focus on one and ignore the other

This is no different than right-wingers throwing shade at "socialism" because Venezuela is a shit-hole.  They simply ignore Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Austria, etc., and focus on the 1/100 socialist countries that fails for a multitude of reasons having nothing to do with socialism

[KingScorpio]

To this list should be added nearly a million Gulag prisoners

Whenever someone brings up Russian Gulags, I like to point out that US has been the world leader in imprisoned population since before I was born



This is the pot calling the kettle black.  The US has done as many bad things or worse than Russia.  You simply choose to focus on one and ignore the other

This is no different than right-wingers throwing shade at "socialism" because Venezuela is a shit-hole.  They simply ignore Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Austria, etc., and focus on the 1/100 socialist countries that fails for a multitude of reasons having nothing to do with socialism

russian gulags are still more important since the american central bank. is spreading their point of view demonising others more efficiently.

we should remember ourselves how societies looked in the past.

[Quickseller]

To this list should be added nearly a million Gulag prisoners

Whenever someone brings up Russian Gulags, I like to point out that US has been the world leader in imprisoned population since before I was born

Except that US prisons do not force inmates to preform labor that have a net benefit to the state -- inmates across the US have a net cost to taxpayers, and for the most part, people are not tried/jailed for political reasons. The prison system also does not actively kill people, except those who are sentenced to death, and takes active steps to protect inmates from being killed by others.

Gulags on the other hand, were essentially forced labor that provided a benefit to the state, people were often there for political reasons, and many were actively killed by the state. Some people believe the majority of people in Gulags were killed.

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

the off topic is even more pathetic... a guy wanted to rent a female real estate agent rather than the building, I said jockingly if the daughter of this poster was for rent too... the mod didn't appreciate this fine reflective humor, maybe he had "rental" projects too...

anyway... if they can censor you they will.