Estimated Hash Rates for the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti

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I have done a little comparison of the hash rates for current cards to what the next generation might do.
How fast will the Nvidia 2080 1180 Hash Crypto Currencies

Granted I am focusing more on ALGOs that are Core and clock intensive and not Memory ALGOs like ETH.

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[MATHReX]

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You can post your comparison here too if you want and that will be much appreciated.

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Sorry the firewall on my server is a little thick.
Here is the article

Even though the estimates are all over the place we an make some predictions based on performance of past models.

What determines hash rate?

There are three things that mainly determine hash rates.  Core Count, Clock Speed, and Memory Speed.  Different Algos require different things. Coins like Ethereum are Memory instensive, meaning that Memory Speed makes the biggest difference in its performance.  Hence the reason a GTX 1070 hashes almost as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti.  But most other coins depend more on Core Count, and Clock Speed.  For the purpose of this discussion we are going to focus on the later, since Ethereum has become a saturated coin with little to no profits for miners.  

Nvidia GPUs Compared

If we assume that core counts can be used to determine hashing rates for future cards we get the below chart

GPU	GTX 1060	GTX 1080	GTX 1080 Ti	RTX 2080	RTX 2080 Ti
Core Count	1280	2560	3584	2944	4352
Clock Speed	1708 Mhz	1733 Mhz	1582 Mhz	??	??
Memory and Type	6GB GDDR5	8GB GDDR5X	11GB GDDR5X	8GB GDDR6	11GB GDDR6
Hash Rates				15% More	21% More
X16R	5 Mh/s	10.5 Mh/s	15Mh/s	12.0 Mh/s	18.1 Mh/s
Lyra2z	1.1 Mh/s	2.2 Mh/s	3.0 Mh/s	2.5 Mh/s	3.6 Mh/s
Lyra2REv2	20.3 Mh/s	46.5 Mh/s	64 Mh/s	53.4 Mh/s	77 Mh/s
Phi2	2.3 Mh/s	4.3 Mh/s	6.0 Mh/s	4.9 Mh/s	7.2 Mh/s

This is going by data from Whattomine.com  

We are not including any improvements due to the GDDR6 Memory, or Clock speeds and or overclocks.  This also ignores energy expelled when mining.  The above figures are also on the low side, as recent Software miners have been known to be up to 30% faster than the numbers above.  Example The miner I use gets a consistent 20 Mh/s on X16R running on a GTX 1080 Ti.

Hash Rates for Ethereum

Considering that memory speed and latency has such a huge impact on hashing ETH, and we do not know the specs of the memory going into the new cards other than they are GDDR6, we have no way to calculate the speed increase.  Even though we can make comparisons to cards like the Titan V ( 12GB HMB2 ) which does ETH at 79 Mh/s, that is HMB2, and not GDDR6.  However if use Total bandwidth to make these calculcations with the 1080 Ti at 484 GB/s and the Titan V at 652 GB/s we start to get ratios that represent the increase in hash rate for ETH.  The 2080 Ti with 384 bit  GDDR6 has a theoretical speed of 864 GB/s which is 32% faster than HMB2, means we should be looking at ETH speeds around 104 Mh/s.  But we have to take into account the Titan V has 5120 Cores vs the 4352 Cores of the 2080 Ti.  Which is a 17 Increase. So lets take 17% off that hash rate to get us a card that should hash ETH at about 86 MH/s.  

However thanks to the Enlargementpill a 1080 Ti can hit speeds of 55 MH/s on ETH.  ( Which sells used for under $550 on ebay )
and the 1070 Ti can hit speeds of 31 MH/s on ETH ( which sells for under $350 on ebay )

If the 2080 Ti can hit 86 MH/s that is a 56% increase over the 1080 Ti, and a 177% in crease over the 1070 Ti.
By those figures For Ethereum Mining the 2080 Ti might actually be a better value than buying a used 1080 Ti off ebay.
However as we all know the ASIC miners are likely to start taking over ETH coins, so buying a 2080 Ti for ETH mining would be risky.

If I was the CEO of Nvidia I would be trying to bribe the developers at Ethereum to tweak their coin to stay ASIC resistent, and help keep sales going of their GPUs.
Its not like anyone in the mining community would be against such a move.

Its better to focus on other ALT coins.

Is the 2080 Ti worth the money for mining?
Probably not.  Remember you can score used GTX 1080 Tis on ebay for about $550.  While the RTX 2080 Ti will likely sell for about $750 when it hits shelves.  That is a 33% price increase.  Yet the estimated hash rates will likely only be about 20% increase over the previous generation.  To be on equal ground with the previous generation Nvidia would have to price their RTZ 2080 Ti at $665, and that price has to include all taxes and fees, Remember almost nobody is paying tax for cards on Ebay.  

The fact that Nvidia's CEO outright said that sales to miners will be almost Zero, indicates that they already know the hashrates of the new cards, and they are disappointing.  Nvidia has also announced the discontinued production of mining specific cards.  Which indicates that miners had no interest in buying up cards that had no resale value to gamers in the event that Crypto crashed.

The Good news
Many people have been liquidating their GPUs in anticipation of the 2080 and 2080 Ti.  For gamers this makes sense, but for miners this is pure speculation that the new cards would hash much faster then current gen.  Once its realized that the hashing increase of 2080 / 2080 Ti is not going to be that great, prices of used GTX 1080 Tis should increase.  Its the same reason people don't run out and build mining Rigs with Titan V cards.  The cost is too high and the ROI is not worth the premium paid for the hardware. 

The Bad news for Nvidia
Nvidia who for the past  year was in denial to investors of how big a portion of their business miners were.  Is about to see what happens to their stock price when their biggest customer (miners) suddenly stop buying their products.  On top of that most of us all bought our GPUs around January of this year, and they have a 3 year warranty on them.  So Nvidia gets to deal with Millions of RMAs that are bound to head their way over the next 2 years as Miners continue to burn up cards.

[cudapop]

The various discussions on the theoretical ETH hashrate for the new cards have generally been based on the memory bus width and memory data pin speed used on the different cards thus giving the memory bandwidth, then dividing by 8192 bytes (since each ETH hash will sample 8K bytes of the DAG).

So, in theory, the zero-latency hashrates would be computed as:

bus width (in bits) = memory capacity (in GB) * 32
data pin speed = 14 Gbp/s (if assumed same memory as used in Quadro RTX series)
bandwidth (in GB/s) = bus width / 8 * data pin speed
zero-latency hashrate (in MH/s) = bandwidth / 8192 * 1000

For example, using the leaked specs from AdoredTV's video on YT:

2080 Ti with 11 GB GDDR6 at 14 Gbp/s - memory bus width: 352 bit, memory bandwidth: 616 GB/s, hashrate: ~75 MH/s
2080 with 8 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 256 bit, bandwidth: 448 GB/s, hashrate: ~55 MH/s
2070 with 7 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 224 bit, bandwidth: 392 GB/s, hashrate: ~48 MH/s
2060 with 5 GB at 14 Gbp/s - bus width: 160 bit, bandwidth: 280 GB/s, hashrate: ~34 MH/s

(If you have different specs for the cards for memory capacity and memory speed, eg. 2070 with 8GB at 16 GB/s, just use them in the formulas and recompute)

This is all assuming the cards are not "gimped" out-of-the-box with "poor" latency (trrd, tfaw) settings for mining use (ie. similar to what was the case with out-of-the-box 1080s and 1080TIs with their GDDR5X).

[gameboy366]

Who cares about hashrate for eth now. Just get an E3 miner if you want to mine ethash coins. People bought it for $800 for 195 h/s.

[soothaa]

From what I saw the 2080ti was taking a huge core speed hit, something like 1500MHz range. If that's true I don't think core-bound mining will see any speedup at all at this rate.

[ThePunisher49X]

Buriedone a youtuber has a breakdown of each 20 series card for eth hashrates at the end of his stream of the nvidia promo event of these cards.

[abstractHaze]

so. to be honest. no one really knows so these cards are currently looking way overpriced?

[nsummy]

so. to be honest. no one really knows so these cards are currently looking way overpriced?

For mining in the current economy yes, especially considering the founders editions are more expensive than msrp.  If there is a resurgence in altcoins though these will be flying off the shelf. 

[nsummy]

Sorry the firewall on my server is a little thick.
Here is the article

Even though the estimates are all over the place we an make some predictions based on performance of past models.

What determines hash rate?

There are three things that mainly determine hash rates.  Core Count, Clock Speed, and Memory Speed.  Different Algos require different things. Coins like Ethereum are Memory instensive, meaning that Memory Speed makes the biggest difference in its performance.  Hence the reason a GTX 1070 hashes almost as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti.  But most other coins depend more on Core Count, and Clock Speed.  For the purpose of this discussion we are going to focus on the later, since Ethereum has become a saturated coin with little to no profits for miners.  

Nvidia GPUs Compared

If we assume that core counts can be used to determine hashing rates for future cards we get the below chart

GPU	GTX 1060	GTX 1080	GTX 1080 Ti	RTX 2080	RTX 2080 Ti
Core Count	1280	2560	3584	2944	4352
Clock Speed	1708 Mhz	1733 Mhz	1582 Mhz	??	??
Memory and Type	6GB GDDR5	8GB GDDR5X	11GB GDDR5X	8GB GDDR6	11GB GDDR6
Hash Rates				15% More	21% More
X16R	5 Mh/s	10.5 Mh/s	15Mh/s	12.0 Mh/s	18.1 Mh/s
Lyra2z	1.1 Mh/s	2.2 Mh/s	3.0 Mh/s	2.5 Mh/s	3.6 Mh/s
Lyra2REv2	20.3 Mh/s	46.5 Mh/s	64 Mh/s	53.4 Mh/s	77 Mh/s
Phi2	2.3 Mh/s	4.3 Mh/s	6.0 Mh/s	4.9 Mh/s	7.2 Mh/s

This is going by data from Whattomine.com  

We are not including any improvements due to the GDDR6 Memory, or Clock speeds and or overclocks.  This also ignores energy expelled when mining.  The above figures are also on the low side, as recent Software miners have been known to be up to 30% faster than the numbers above.  Example The miner I use gets a consistent 20 Mh/s on X16R running on a GTX 1080 Ti.

Hash Rates for Ethereum

Considering that memory speed and latency has such a huge impact on hashing ETH, and we do not know the specs of the memory going into the new cards other than they are GDDR6, we have no way to calculate the speed increase.  Even though we can make comparisons to cards like the Titan V ( 12GB HMB2 ) which does ETH at 79 Mh/s, that is HMB2, and not GDDR6.  However if use Total bandwidth to make these calculcations with the 1080 Ti at 484 GB/s and the Titan V at 652 GB/s we start to get ratios that represent the increase in hash rate for ETH.  The 2080 Ti with 384 bit  GDDR6 has a theoretical speed of 864 GB/s which is 32% faster than HMB2, means we should be looking at ETH speeds around 104 Mh/s.  But we have to take into account the Titan V has 5120 Cores vs the 4352 Cores of the 2080 Ti.  Which is a 17 Increase. So lets take 17% off that hash rate to get us a card that should hash ETH at about 86 MH/s.  

However thanks to the Enlargementpill a 1080 Ti can hit speeds of 55 MH/s on ETH.  ( Which sells used for under $550 on ebay )
and the 1070 Ti can hit speeds of 31 MH/s on ETH ( which sells for under $350 on ebay )

If the 2080 Ti can hit 86 MH/s that is a 56% increase over the 1080 Ti, and a 177% in crease over the 1070 Ti.
By those figures For Ethereum Mining the 2080 Ti might actually be a better value than buying a used 1080 Ti off ebay.
However as we all know the ASIC miners are likely to start taking over ETH coins, so buying a 2080 Ti for ETH mining would be risky.

If I was the CEO of Nvidia I would be trying to bribe the developers at Ethereum to tweak their coin to stay ASIC resistent, and help keep sales going of their GPUs.
Its not like anyone in the mining community would be against such a move.

Its better to focus on other ALT coins.

Is the 2080 Ti worth the money for mining?
Probably not.  Remember you can score used GTX 1080 Tis on ebay for about $550.  While the RTX 2080 Ti will likely sell for about $750 when it hits shelves.  That is a 33% price increase.  Yet the estimated hash rates will likely only be about 20% increase over the previous generation.  To be on equal ground with the previous generation Nvidia would have to price their RTZ 2080 Ti at $665, and that price has to include all taxes and fees, Remember almost nobody is paying tax for cards on Ebay.  

The fact that Nvidia's CEO outright said that sales to miners will be almost Zero, indicates that they already know the hashrates of the new cards, and they are disappointing.  Nvidia has also announced the discontinued production of mining specific cards.  Which indicates that miners had no interest in buying up cards that had no resale value to gamers in the event that Crypto crashed.

The Good news
Many people have been liquidating their GPUs in anticipation of the 2080 and 2080 Ti.  For gamers this makes sense, but for miners this is pure speculation that the new cards would hash much faster then current gen.  Once its realized that the hashing increase of 2080 / 2080 Ti is not going to be that great, prices of used GTX 1080 Tis should increase.  Its the same reason people don't run out and build mining Rigs with Titan V cards.  The cost is too high and the ROI is not worth the premium paid for the hardware. 

The Bad news for Nvidia
Nvidia who for the past  year was in denial to investors of how big a portion of their business miners were.  Is about to see what happens to their stock price when their biggest customer (miners) suddenly stop buying their products.  On top of that most of us all bought our GPUs around January of this year, and they have a 3 year warranty on them.  So Nvidia gets to deal with Millions of RMAs that are bound to head their way over the next 2 years as Miners continue to burn up cards.

A.  Ethereum is already pretty much ASIC resistant.  The E3 mines at 190 MH/S at 760W.  Not surprising that a machine that can mine only 1 algorithm marginally beats a 2 year old gaming graphics card that is half the price.

B.  The CEO's comments on mining sales have nothing to do with hashrates of the new cards.  Even if the 2080ti tripled the performance of of the 1080ti I doubt many miners would be buying.  His point was that with altcoin prices and the availability of cheap GPUs on eBay, it doesn't make sense currently for miners to purchase new cards.

C.  Miners aren't Nvidia's largest customers by a long shot.

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A.  Ethereum is already pretty much ASIC resistant.  The E3 mines at 190 MH/S at 760W.  Not surprising that a machine that can mine only 1 algorithm marginally beats a 2 year old gaming graphics card that is half the price.

B.  The CEO's comments on mining sales have nothing to do with hashrates of the new cards.  Even if the 2080ti tripled the performance of of the 1080ti I doubt many miners would be buying.  His point was that with altcoin prices and the availability of cheap GPUs on eBay, it doesn't make sense currently for miners to purchase new cards.

C.  Miners aren't Nvidia's largest customers by a long shot.

If the 2080Ti trippled the performance of the 1080ti ( in mining that is ), I would be liquidating all my GPUs and prepare to upgrade to 2080tis, as used 1080ti still sell for $550 on ebay, and the 2080ti will be priced around $1100.

I guess we will see how many GPUs Nvidia sells when Miners are no longer interested.

[shater]

A.  Ethereum is already pretty much ASIC resistant.  The E3 mines at 190 MH/S at 760W.  Not surprising that a machine that can mine only 1 algorithm marginally beats a 2 year old gaming graphics card that is half the price.

B.  The CEO's comments on mining sales have nothing to do with hashrates of the new cards.  Even if the 2080ti tripled the performance of of the 1080ti I doubt many miners would be buying.  His point was that with altcoin prices and the availability of cheap GPUs on eBay, it doesn't make sense currently for miners to purchase new cards.

C.  Miners aren't Nvidia's largest customers by a long shot.

If the 2080Ti trippled the performance of the 1080ti ( in mining that is ), I would be liquidating all my GPUs and prepare to upgrade to 2080tis, as used 1080ti still sell for $550 on ebay, and the 2080ti will be priced around $1100.

I guess we will see how many GPUs Nvidia sells when Miners are no longer interested.

If 2080Ti hypothetically mines at 150MH/s for around $1,100, then I do think is a game-changer.

[cudapop]

150 MH/s on ETH would require a memory bandwidth of around ~1.2 TB/s (terabytes per sec), the announced memory specs for the RTX 2080Ti of 11 GB at 14 Gbps would mean a bandwidth of around 616 GB/s for a single 2080Ti. So it looks more likely that the theoretical, zero-latency hashrate would be around ~75 MH/s.

Maybe in another algo and not Ethash, assuming the algo can make use of the paralllel issue of INT32 and FP32 instructions in Turing's CUDA cores (cf. to what was introduced with Volta), as well as an algo that needs to do matrix multiplations and thus use the Tensor cores. For example: Bytom's Tensority algo would benefit from the new architecture since it can use 3 features: INT8 DP4A instructions (assuming Turing still retains this from Pascal), WMMA (warp matrix multiply accumulate) using Tensor cores, and parallel issue INT32 and FP32 (since Tensority uses 8-bit values as input in it's matrices and thus can use the FP32 to multiply 8-bit values in parallel with INT8 DP4A on the INT32 cores). Not sure if it would triple it vs. a 1080Ti though, need to test it first.

The Groestl hash function also has a matrix multiply function in it so maybe it might benefit from the Tensor cores. Not sure though since I've only really tested CUDA kernels for Ethash and Tensority.

[Nexigen]

If you compare the number of CUDA cores than you will see only 20% of the difference. I don’t think that memory in these cards is much faster than in GTX1000 series. That’s why I think that RTX 2070 will give 36-40 mh for Ether mining.

[Longsnowsm]

Following... Once you guys get your hands on some cards please post your results here.  Would love to see the comparisons.  That is a lot of money per gpu so it will have to be killing the numbers to justify the cost.

[cudapop]

It's definitely possible that the new RTX cards could have poor memory latency (trrd, tfaw) settings for ethash mining use. After all, we already have existing examples of this: eg. the GTX 1080 with it's 320 GB/s memory bandwidth has a theoretical zero-latency hashrate of around ~39 MH/s, but without something like the ethlargement-pill it won't get near this hashrate.

So the idea is that the new RTX cards, with their much higher memory bandwidths, would allow for the higher ethash hashrates (as computed from the bandwidths), either in stock form assuming they are not "crippled with non-mining-friendly" latency settings, or with some equivalent of the eth-pill.

As for the CUDA core count and it's effect on ethash rates, if you download the source of ethminer and modify the "dagger_shuffled.cu" file so that instead of loading DAG entries from global memory it loads it from a structure in shared memory (ie. just to test what the cores are capable of hashing at assuming memory latencies which are comparable to the L1 cache of the device), you'll find that even something like a GTX 1060, which would normally hash at 20+ MH/s , will now be capable of 50+ MH/s with the latencies of the shared memory instead of the much slower global memory on the device. So even a device with just the core count of a GTX 1060 can achieve a much higher hashrate if it had memory with much lower latencies.

So it's possible that even with just the 20% increase in core count in the new RTX cards, _if_ it has mining-friendly latency settings (or we get an equivalent of an eth-pill), the new cards might be capable of hashing as fast as their theoretical memory bandwidths would allow.

[gerask0]

linustechtips gets this card one of the first, likely.
but he rarely test card in mining
I will try to ask him for some results

[Metroid]

ethlargement-pill it won't get near this hashrate.

devs of that program will probably sell a functionality to do the same as gtx 1080ti for rtx 2080ti owners, i dont think they will release it publicly like they did for the gtx 1080 owners.

[lewaeve]

Following,hope someone can get the first test card.....

[ummasek]

In my opinion, hashrate wil not be as simple to say.
1. More cuda
2. More memory bandwitch
3. faster clockrate
For me it`s seems to be better hash for less power/hashrate and more space in your rig.
IS it good for all of us?
We`ll see when cards comes for us
We just need them fast and lots of them.