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September 20, 2018, 07:54:08 AM |
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This product for games is not specifically for miners. if you are looking to mine, please use ASIC or FPGA.
Exactly that's the point. Mining is about the average Joe being able to loan his/her hashpower profitably. Enter ASICs and FPGA and he suddenly can't, ultimately centralizing the network(s) and thus killing the point of PoW to begin with. Dedicated miners would be the doom of this industry. Mining *has to* be as "inefficient" as possible, else you do not have decentralization. Instead you get professionals who control the networks. Basically any network that tries to throw FPGAs and ASICs out, get it, the rest will be centralized sooner rather than later. And we already have a far more efficient centralized coin, it's called the US Dollar. So really dedicated miners are really just inefficient validators compared to human/machine validators used by national currencies. There is no point to them. GPUs/CPUs are even more inefficient but they also decentralize the network so those networks don't have to compete with the Dollar (and consequently be crashed by it) to begin with.
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September 20, 2018, 09:03:02 AM |
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This product for games is not specifically for miners. if you are looking to mine, please use ASIC or FPGA.
Exactly that's the point. Mining is about the average Joe being able to loan his/her hashpower profitably. Enter ASICs and FPGA and he suddenly can't, ultimately centralizing the network(s) and thus killing the point of PoW to begin with. Dedicated miners would be the doom of this industry. Mining *has to* be as "inefficient" as possible, else you do not have decentralization. Instead you get professionals who control the networks. Basically any network that tries to throw FPGAs and ASICs out, get it, the rest will be centralized sooner rather than later. And we already have a far more efficient centralized coin, it's called the US Dollar. So really dedicated miners are really just inefficient validators compared to human/machine validators used by national currencies. There is no point to them. GPUs/CPUs are even more inefficient but they also decentralize the network so those networks don't have to compete with the Dollar (and consequently be crashed by it) to begin with. Hi, What on earth are you talking about? Since when did it become an issue for a home miner to have an ASIC? ASICS and FPGA boards have nothing to do with centralisation... As a home pc user, if I was investing say $500 in mining "scrypt coins", would I a) Buy as many pc's as possible and achieve say 300KH/s using about 250 watt b) Buy a gpu or 2, and possibly achieve say 2-3 MH/s using about 250-350 watt C) BUY an L3 getting around 500MH/s using 500 watt hmm, give me a second to think about that.... Does that mean I am centralising the coin, just cos I bought 1 ASIC - I think not Stop bashing ASICS / FPGA boards, when the real issue is with professional organisation who will buy 10,000 of cpus/gpu/asic/fpga boards or whatever helps them make the most profit...they are the ones centralising crypto, they're also the ones affecting mining hardware prices, not you and I buying 1 or 2 mining devices...
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September 20, 2018, 09:36:51 AM |
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The price/performance ratio looks horrible on these cards... it's going to take quite some time to break even off the investment. I think FPGA is the future, or even ASICs when we know the algo will not change for a long period of time. I can see FPGA killing off GPU mining once more development comes for it.
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September 20, 2018, 10:15:19 AM |
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I'm a bit ridiculous when people in our time talk about decentralization. All large crypto-currencies are centralized no more than a dollar. Decentralization was in the days of Satoshi nakomoto, when he communicated in this forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3Now all the ideas are distorted. Centralization and decentralization of the network depends not only on the ASICs, the GPU or the FPGA.
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September 20, 2018, 10:37:01 AM |
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Please keep this thread focused on RTX performance! I'm in mining world from 2013.. I don't want to read stupid and boring discussion about asic vs fpga vs gpu. You can do that in many other topics! thanks ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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September 20, 2018, 10:59:59 AM Last edit: September 20, 2018, 12:27:32 PM by markiz73 |
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The Russians have a saying: "if the topic is flooded, then there is no new information ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) " Well, here's the first test RTX 2080 Ti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz5tVTldWXw1min 51 sec As expected, the results are weak. We are waiting for software update
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September 20, 2018, 12:40:45 PM |
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Ye I've seen these results but I didn't even bother to post them here because they're sooooo unrealistic. In some algos the hashrate is lower from the 1080ti. We'll have to wait for good miners to be released.
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September 21, 2018, 06:07:46 AM |
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So I have to ask again since it didnt seem to get any response last time. Is there any potential to program the RTX Tracer Ray cores to be able to perform a similar functionality to the "Acorn" FPGA? It seems the Acorn takes processes that would normally slow down the GPU, and computes them elsewhere. Could the unused RTX cores be made to do similar? ACORN Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4391318.0
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September 21, 2018, 08:41:56 AM |
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So I have to ask again since it didnt seem to get any response last time. Is there any potential to program the RTX Tracer Ray cores to be able to perform a similar functionality to the "Acorn" FPGA? It seems the Acorn takes processes that would normally slow down the GPU, and computes them elsewhere. Could the unused RTX cores be made to do similar? ACORN Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4391318.0I'm not a mining software developer so I can't answer with 100% accuracy, but then again I don't think a mining s/w dev will bother answering in this thread anyway! ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) The Ray Tracing cores are more like an ASIC, by that I mean they are crafted to perform a certain faction very fast. Therefore they can't be programmed to support the GPU in anything else than Ray Tracing. The only possibility would be to make a hashing algorithm which supports the factions of these cores, but that's very unlikely... why would anyone do that? The AI cores (aka Tensor cores) though might have some use. Those are also for a specific faction as well, I think it's called "4x4 matrix computation", but at least those computations have some general uses outside games and therefore they might somehow, somewhen be used in mining... maybe...
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September 21, 2018, 08:45:06 AM |
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The developers of the NVIDIA stated that they did not prioritize the use of video cards for mining. I think it's very good that the new generation of cards will not displace the old generation from the mining market. I can use my 1080Ti for mining a bit longer.
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September 21, 2018, 05:57:27 PM |
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This product for games is not specifically for miners. if you are looking to mine, please use ASIC or FPGA.
Exactly that's the point. Mining is about the average Joe being able to loan his/her hashpower profitably. Enter ASICs and FPGA and he suddenly can't, ultimately centralizing the network(s) and thus killing the point of PoW to begin with. Dedicated miners would be the doom of this industry. Mining *has to* be as "inefficient" as possible, else you do not have decentralization. Instead you get professionals who control the networks. Basically any network that tries to throw FPGAs and ASICs out, get it, the rest will be centralized sooner rather than later. And we already have a far more efficient centralized coin, it's called the US Dollar. So really dedicated miners are really just inefficient validators compared to human/machine validators used by national currencies. There is no point to them. GPUs/CPUs are even more inefficient but they also decentralize the network so those networks don't have to compete with the Dollar (and consequently be crashed by it) to begin with. Hi, What on earth are you talking about? Since when did it become an issue for a home miner to have an ASIC? ASICS and FPGA boards have nothing to do with centralisation... As a home pc user, if I was investing say $500 in mining "scrypt coins", would I a) Buy as many pc's as possible and achieve say 300KH/s using about 250 watt b) Buy a gpu or 2, and possibly achieve say 2-3 MH/s using about 250-350 watt C) BUY an L3 getting around 500MH/s using 500 watt hmm, give me a second to think about that.... Does that mean I am centralising the coin, just cos I bought 1 ASIC - I think not Stop bashing ASICS / FPGA boards, when the real issue is with professional organisation who will buy 10,000 of cpus/gpu/asic/fpga boards or whatever helps them make the most profit...they are the ones centralising crypto, they're also the ones affecting mining hardware prices, not you and I buying 1 or 2 mining devices... Centralized network means "mining hardware producers", when you think you are buying NEW s9 from Bitmain - you are wrong, that s9 was working already at the top of currency price and then utilizing to another ppl when rentability goes to 50% from the beginning
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September 22, 2018, 05:44:52 AM |
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Thanks for the video. You also look included XDNA and I'm impressed that the 2080 was faster than the 1080ti prior to OC and with obviously not an optimized miner! I wanted to see the XDNA's results after you've overclock the card though... but +1000 OC in the memory and it kept going steady?! That was impressive! Oh, and the Enemy miner has been updated to 1.20.
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September 22, 2018, 06:54:46 AM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2F9XJ5zRBN%2FCattura.jpg&t=665&c=gDS6847lkqc4Qg) .
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September 22, 2018, 07:21:08 AM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2F9XJ5zRBN%2FCattura.jpg&t=665&c=gDS6847lkqc4Qg) . power usage is 20 percent less across all algos on the 2080 rtx. , for lomg term miners who already are in the green and are looking to future proof thier farms the rtx is definitely an option. The key is not to fomo buy. Wait a few weeks or months for prices to at least be $700 per card no more
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September 22, 2018, 08:29:20 AM |
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I'm getting around 45-50MH on the 1080ti with the ethlargement enhancement. The folks that created ethlargement enhancement will need to update it for the 2080tis, perhaps 60 MH after the update and I'm thinking at least 280-300W on electricity. would be better to have all the algo not just eth, hich is pointless for nvidia to mine anyway...
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September 22, 2018, 08:38:04 AM |
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I'm getting around 45-50MH on the 1080ti with the ethlargement enhancement. The folks that created ethlargement enhancement will need to update it for the 2080tis, perhaps 60 MH after the update and I'm thinking at least 280-300W on electricity. would be better to have all the algo not just eth, hich is pointless for nvidia to mine anyway... That is right. The ETH is ASIC mineable now.
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September 22, 2018, 01:02:57 PM |
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New cards dont show good results but i think it is too early to conclude The miner software not yet optimized for this gpu and memory
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Hi guys, it's Luke from Cudo Miner here. We've just reviewed the latest GEFORCE RTX 2080 and compared its mining performance against the GTX 1080 on 4 different algos. Just wanted to share the video we've produced to show you the results. 📹 You can view the video here: https://www.cudominer.com/rtx2080benchmark/[Too long; didn't watch😉] Here are the results: HashrateEthashNVidia GTX 1080 Founders OC: 20.2 Mh/s (28.7 with Ethpill) Gigabyte RTX 2080 OC: 35.3 Mh/s (+75%) Cryptonight Variant 1NVidia GTX 1080 Founders OC: 507 h/s Gigabyte RTX 2080 OC: 769 h/s (+50%) Lyra2REv2NVidia GTX 1080 Founders OC: 42.1 Mh/s Gigabyte RTX 2080 OC: 72.1 Mh/s (+70%) EquihashNVidia GTX 1080 Founders OC: 391 Sol/s Gigabyte RTX 2080 OC: 566 Sol/s (+45%) See the following images for tables and graphs: https://imgur.com/a/ZvPdYcohttps://imgur.com/a/iQmZkdTWhat are your thoughts on the results? Has anyone else tested the RTX 2080 on their rig? What hashrate did you get?Cheers!
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