[REWARD] Find The Cold Storage Wallets Of MtGox Before Supposed Theft

[Jeronimus]

Locking this topic -  IF anyone wants to continue this, feel free. I am not offering a reward anymore since i am moving out of crypto for good(see last message)


Current total reward:  3.65 BTC

myself:           0.3 btc
CompNsci:       1 btc
BrewCrewFan:  0.1 btc
rochkey:         0.25 btc
Gotgoxed        1.5 btc
btcusury         0.5 btc


As the title says, i will reward 0.3 BTC to whoever can without any doubt(or little doubt) show us the chain of events from MtGox filling up the cold storage wallets before it was robbed supposedly, to the coins leaving the cold storage wallets into the thief's/thieves' hand/s, possibly passing through a mixer afterwards or an exchange which does not keep track of IDs.

He will have to show us all cold storage wallets that were in MtGox's possession (the exact addresses) and show us the chain of events in the blockchain of the coins escaping those cold storage wallets.

I don't care if it is a copy and paste job, as long as you can explain exactly where all the 750k(850k with gox own BTC?) went to. You can use whatever info you want, including this site but have to deliver a complete bulletproof theory.
I might not understand it fully, and will wait for rewarding until a great majority of the community agrees or i understood it fully.

To say it again. It won't matter if you did a copy and paste job. The only thing that matters is who posts a full bulletproof theory inside THIS thread.



I encourage people to add to this reward ( i cannot promise however those people will stand to their word).

I will keep updating the total reward above as people in this thread dish more into it.

edit: keep it real. Don't dish more in than like 1% of your BTC

edit2: Just to clarify cut and paste. It should be a cut and paste from pieces completing the puzzle, not taking someone elses complete work and just pasting it in here.

[dontek]

Here's probably some. About 270k worth:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0

[Jeronimus]

Here's probably some. About 270k worth:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0

Please refrain from posting any half theories you are not even certain about they are true. We already have enough of those in other threads. This thread is only for a complete bulletproof theory, or otherwise it will just get spammed and filled to a point where i cannot maintain it anymore and would have to start another thread.

[dontek]

Here's probably some. About 270k worth:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0

This thread is only for a complete bulletproof theory

There in-lies the problem. The only way to get a complete bulletproof theory is to get MtGox to open up their information and records to be scrutinized, which, hah...yeah right.

With the info from the letstalkbitcoin action from 2011, it's about as solid as you can get that:
1. The two wallets being referred to were created by MtGox/Mark
2. On 2011-11-16 05:59:08, 40,000 bitcoin were transferred one wallet: (https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV)
3. Those 40,000 bitcoin were untouched and to this moment are still in that wallet.
4. On 2011-11-16 05:59:08, 50,000 bitcoin were transferred to the other wallet: (https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9)
5. Those 50,000 bitcoin were untouched and to this moment are still in that wallet.

TL;DR - Pretty substantial proof MTGOX/Mark had control of those wallets when the deposits were made and the bitcoin haven't moved since.

[Jeronimus]

Here's probably some. About 270k worth:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494695.0

This thread is only for a complete bulletproof theory

There in-lies the problem. The only way to get a complete bulletproof theory is to get MtGox to open up their information and records to be scrutinized, which, hah...yeah right.

With the info from the letstalkbitcoin action from 2011, it's about as solid as you can get that:
1. The two wallets being referred to were created by MtGox/Mark
2. On 2011-11-16 05:59:08, 40,000 bitcoin were transferred one wallet: (https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV)
3. Those 40,000 bitcoin were untouched and to this moment are still in that wallet.
4. On 2011-11-16 05:59:08, 50,000 bitcoin were transferred to the other wallet: (https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9)
5. Those 50,000 bitcoin were untouched and to this moment are still in that wallet.

TL;DR - Pretty substantial proof MTGOX/Mark had control of those wallets when the deposits were made and the bitcoin haven't moved since.

i already mentioned those in this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=492776.msg5437308#msg5437308


You will see that many of those wallets i linked follow two patterns.

One is all digits in front of the dot being zero (except the front digit of course)

The second pattern is, MOST of those wallets getting a 0.00777 receive transaction in.

examples

the ones that wre mentioned in that thread

https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 50k
https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV 40k
https://blockchain.info/address/12HddUDLhRP2F8JjpKYeKaDxxt5wUvx5nq 40k
https://blockchain.info/address/16Ls6azc76ixc9Ny7AB5ZPPq6oiEL9XwXy 40k
https://blockchain.info/address/1MyGwFAJjVtB5rGJa32M6Yh46cGirUta1K 30k


others i linked in my thread following those two patterns


https://blockchain.info/address/13ssxUjmQqemuiBfJSBsr7gFX7UWU7uXNK 20k
https://blockchain.info/address/1LDWDufjU5ATbozDZY3uChb7oPAbDaiB7K 15k

https://blockchain.info/address/1MeCzxxB8eDd17DaocFLQaQtH8seVjNM67 10k
https://blockchain.info/address/19PPeuu4jPjqtefSQ2FDgKmNJ88Z5wiuJt  10k
....
a lot more 10k cold storages following the two patterns


wasn't 777 some illuminati symbol?

I am sure we will be able to compose a full list of those 0.00777 transactions containing cold storage wallets.

Many of those will NOT be MtGox wallets as 777 is like 666 a heavily used number, not just by the illuminati, but also by satanists and master trolls

[Jeronimus]

Don't be shy. Add a comment about willing to dish in some reward in case someone solves this mystery. Even 0.1 btc will be good.

It cannot be that i am the only one interested in solving this when i do not even have any funds stuck in mtgox.

[CompNsci]

OK, for this sort of proof I would chip in 1.0 BTC.

This is a very good idea and would be one of the key pieces in determining what has been going on. Knowing the main cold storage wallets just before trading shutdown would also be quite valuable.

I have commented that serious forensic analysis is good here. That is one of the advantages of a public blockchain.

[BrewCrewFan]

Ill toss in .01 BTC. I know its small beans but its something. I also think the community needs to know what has happen. For starters, where the coins went, If gox is really at fault, what may have caused this so it can be fixed if there was indeed an issue.

[thelema93]

I thought some had already been found:

The 50,000 output is still there, unspent.
https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9

The 40,000 output is still there, unspent.
https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV

From this info: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/#.UxKqIl65K3V

How do we get any better proof than that?

[Jeronimus]

I thought some had already been found:

The 50,000 output is still there, unspent.
https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9

The 40,000 output is still there, unspent.
https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV

From this info: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/#.UxKqIl65K3V

How do we get any better proof than that?

nice article, but it accounts only for 90k of the coins and claims that not even this is certain. I think we need something a bit more in-depth than this to be satisfied.

All the addresses mentioned in this article i already mentioned in this thread plus more all having the 0.00777 received btc pattern included.

It cannot be just coincidence that all addresses linked to the former 424k btc proof by karpeles all having at least one 0.00777 received btc transactions in them along with a all zero digits in front of the dot pattern sub the first digit

edit: after checking some more addresses in the richlist top 100, i found many of them contain the 0.00777 received btc pattern, so this cannot be used anymore as a link to the mtgox cold storages.
Most of those transactions were issued on the 6th febr 2014, but also later

[thelema93]

Not sure if this helps anything, but I JUST TRACED BITCOINS I SENT TO GOX ON:

2014-02-03 06:29:00

SENT 5 BTC TO Mt.GOX ADDRESS: 1CdiTM1BCifFB5KpW8L5t51PUL8NW7vW9E

TRANSACTION: https://blockchain.info/address/1CdiTM1BCifFB5KpW8L5t51PUL8NW7vW9E

NEXT my 5 BTC get's sent to: 1GvYWVRPyq2mQFf8w64DZtyX4ekK5taa1d

https://blockchain.info/address/1GvYWVRPyq2mQFf8w64DZtyX4ekK5taa1d

NEXT my 5 BTC get's sent to: 1NRUPGCqCX56DvVptV2dvNPS2UwZMsUXvA

https://blockchain.info/address/1NRUPGCqCX56DvVptV2dvNPS2UwZMsUXvA

They are still sitting there.
Just 2 transactions away from where I sent them: to Gox. How can that be theft? Any serious cyber criminal would have immediately sent all the stolen coins through thousands of different addresses to confuse everyone. Not 2. ! This does not shout theft to me at all. Just Pure fuckup.

And yes, I sent coins to Gox 4 days before they shut down withdrawals. Merrry Fucking Christmas.

[Jeronimus]

Not sure if this helps anything, but I JUST TRACED BITCOINS I SENT TO GOX ON:

2014-02-03 06:29:00

SENT 5 BTC TO Mt.GOX ADDRESS: 1CdiTM1BCifFB5KpW8L5t51PUL8NW7vW9E

TRANSACTION: https://blockchain.info/address/1CdiTM1BCifFB5KpW8L5t51PUL8NW7vW9E

NEXT my 5 BTC get's sent to: 1GvYWVRPyq2mQFf8w64DZtyX4ekK5taa1d

https://blockchain.info/address/1GvYWVRPyq2mQFf8w64DZtyX4ekK5taa1d

NEXT my 5 BTC get's sent to: 1NRUPGCqCX56DvVptV2dvNPS2UwZMsUXvA

https://blockchain.info/address/1NRUPGCqCX56DvVptV2dvNPS2UwZMsUXvA

They are still sitting there.
Just 2 transactions away from where I sent them: to Gox. How can that be theft? Any serious cyber criminal would have immediately sent all the stolen coins through thousands of different addresses to confuse everyone. Not 2. ! This does not shout theft to me at all. Just Pure fuckup.

And yes, I sent coins to Gox 4 days before they shut down withdrawals. Merrry Fucking Christmas.

i see this was febr the 3rd. Didn't gox shut down withdrawals AFTER febr the 3rd?
How would you know if this isn't just some normal guy who withdrew 5  BTC of the exchange?

[papamoi]

following

[thelema93]

i see this was febr the 3rd. Didn't gox shut down withdrawals AFTER febr the 3rd?
How would you know if this isn't just some normal guy who withdrew 5  BTC of the exchange?

Isn't it a bit of a co-incidence that I sent exactly 5 coins and then somebody else withdrew exactly 5 coins from the same wallet?

[Jeronimus]

i see this was febr the 3rd. Didn't gox shut down withdrawals AFTER febr the 3rd?
How would you know if this isn't just some normal guy who withdrew 5  BTC of the exchange?

Isn't it a bit of a co-incidence that I sent exactly 5 coins and then somebody else withdrew exactly 5 coins from the same wallet?

I think not. As far as i understand this is part of how the protocol works

[rochkey]

+0.25 BTC from me.

[rochkey]

Might be of interest.

http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-lawsuit-target-mark-karpeles-personal-wealth/


Says they already have over 200 clients.

[repentance]

wasn't 777 some illuminati symbol?

I am sure we will be able to compose a full list of those 0.00777 transactions containing cold storage wallets.

Many of those will NOT be MtGox wallets as 777 is like 666 a heavily used number, not just by the illuminati, but also by satanists and master trolls

The 777 transactions were an attempt by people to follow Bitcoin transactions related to a recent Silk Road theft (SR admins claim that all of their BTC were stolen by someone exploiting the malleability issue).  They used 777 because 666 had already been used previously to try to follow BTC from another theft (sheep marketplace, IIRC).

There are threads on the SR forums about the 777 tag and on reddit about the 666 tag.

[Jeronimus]

wasn't 777 some illuminati symbol?

I am sure we will be able to compose a full list of those 0.00777 transactions containing cold storage wallets.

Many of those will NOT be MtGox wallets as 777 is like 666 a heavily used number, not just by the illuminati, but also by satanists and master trolls

The 777 transactions were an attempt by people to follow Bitcoin transactions related to a recent Silk Road theft (SR admins claim that all of their BTC were stolen by someone exploiting the malleability issue).  They used 777 because 666 had already been used previously to try to follow BTC from another theft (sheep marketplace, IIRC).

There are threads on the SR forums about the 777 tag and on reddit about the 666 tag.

Yes, i already mention in another thread that the 0.00777 pattern was present in many other addresses within the richlist top 100 as well, several days ago.
So this is not something we can use to solve the mystery really.

[Gotgoxed]

+0.5BTC from me