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October 23, 2011, 09:53:55 PM
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October 24, 2011, 08:45:22 PM
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so now hes' wanted for resisting arrest too? This guy is an idiot.
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October 24, 2011, 10:50:13 PM
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It's part of the Freeman movement.  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1B289953BD4AE10  It's something in Canada and the UK where they discovered statutory law only applies to employees of the government and cases where the government can make people act as employees like if they get a government ID.

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October 25, 2011, 03:14:40 AM
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Okay I finally found an explanation of these people http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land

Also another funny video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtkdDMSXMmc

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October 25, 2011, 03:18:23 AM
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One more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmXIpSxoALw

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October 25, 2011, 08:34:00 AM
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So they are a group of idealists who believe that the requirement to pay car insurance is a breach of natural law.

http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/bobby-of-the-family-sludds-may-be-jailed-2875189.html

Comical.  At least he paid up in the end but he definitely provides entertainment value along the way.

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October 25, 2011, 11:23:26 AM
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no, they are standing up for their personal sovereignty.

police are simply the slaves overseers ... the enforcers ... remedy for this lies in a court.

Massa must discipline and subjugate the slaves when they get uppity.

"... He is no fool who parts with that which he cannot keep, when he is sure to be recompensed with that which he cannot lose ..."

"... history disseminated to the masses is written by those who win battles and wars and murder their heroes ..."


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October 25, 2011, 11:28:55 AM
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So they are a group of idealists who believe that the requirement to pay car insurance is a breach of natural law.

http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/bobby-of-the-family-sludds-may-be-jailed-2875189.html

Comical.  At least he paid up in the end but he definitely provides entertainment value along the way.

where does it state we must follow statutes ?

there must be a contract with government, right ?

where does the authority come from ?

becasue some PUBLIC SERVANT told you so ?

last time I checked we are only allowed to be governed by the consent of the governed.

now if you contract with government and take their privilages and benefits, then you consent, but there is always remedy.

"... He is no fool who parts with that which he cannot keep, when he is sure to be recompensed with that which he cannot lose ..."

"... history disseminated to the masses is written by those who win battles and wars and murder their heroes ..."


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October 25, 2011, 11:35:19 AM
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So they are a group of idealists who believe that the requirement to pay car insurance is a breach of natural law.

http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/bobby-of-the-family-sludds-may-be-jailed-2875189.html

Comical.  At least he paid up in the end but he definitely provides entertainment value along the way.

where does it state we must follow statutes ?

there must be a contract with government, right ?

where does the authority come from ?

becasue some PUBLIC SERVANT told you so ?

last time I checked we are only allowed to be governed by the consent of the governed.

now if you contract with government and take their privilages and benefits, then you consent, but there is always remedy.

What contract with the government?  Seriously, where do you get these silly ideas.  You don't have a contract with your government.  It GOVERNS you.  The clue is in the word "government"

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October 25, 2011, 11:56:15 AM
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So they are a group of idealists who believe that the requirement to pay car insurance is a breach of natural law.

http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/bobby-of-the-family-sludds-may-be-jailed-2875189.html

Comical.  At least he paid up in the end but he definitely provides entertainment value along the way.

where does it state we must follow statutes ?

there must be a contract with government, right ?

where does the authority come from ?

becasue some PUBLIC SERVANT told you so ?

last time I checked we are only allowed to be governed by the consent of the governed.

now if you contract with government and take their privilages and benefits, then you consent, but there is always remedy.

What contract with the government?  Seriously, where do you get these silly ideas.  You don't have a contract with your government.  It GOVERNS you.  The clue is in the word "government"

You are assuming they have a supreme right to govern you.

where does that right come from ?

By what authority ?

Wher eis it written ?

Maybe by the consent of the governed ?

meaning you must CONSENT TO THEM GOVERNING YOU in order for them TO govern you.

Its in our founding document, you know the one that announced to the world our Declaration of independence.

To consent is to contract, telling them, yes, you may govern me.

There is also legal presumption. In the maxums of Law it states and unrebutted presumption/testimony/affidavit is Judgment in Commerce, so we need to know who we are, assert it to authority presuming otherwise, not be under contract, and we are free.

thats my take on it thusfar.

but i am stil llearning.


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"... history disseminated to the masses is written by those who win battles and wars and murder their heroes ..."


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October 25, 2011, 12:06:07 PM
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...snip...

What contract with the government?  Seriously, where do you get these silly ideas.  You don't have a contract with your government.  It GOVERNS you.  The clue is in the word "government"

You are assuming they have a supreme right to govern you.

where does that right come from ?

...snip...



I don't really care about a "right" to govern.  People organise together to prevent harm to themselves.  You can't stop it - its how we behave.  The organisation most people use is called the state.  If you are doing something, for example driving a car without insurance, that is considered harmful, the state will stop you.  Is it right for the state to stop you doing something harmful?  Who cares?  You have to be stopped and that's the most important thing.  As for consent, that's a joke.  Who consents to being taxed or to paying speeding fines?

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October 25, 2011, 12:30:41 PM
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I don't really care about a "right" to govern.

How is what you dont care about even relevent to being lawful or not ?


People organise together to prevent harm to themselves.  You can't stop it - its how we behave.  The organisation most people use is called the state.  

Is it right for the state to stop you doing something harmful?  Who cares?  You have to be stopped and that's the most important thing.

that is why our founding fathers created a Constitutional Republic instead of a mob-rules socialist/communist democracy. They knew the dangers. They were experienced and well-educated ... some were even attorneys, politicians and diplomats.

While for some its the state, the organisation you refer to many call their community (friends and neighbors and family).


If you are doing something, for example driving a car without insurance, that is considered harmful, the state will stop you.  

as for consent, that's a joke.  Who consents to being taxed or to paying speeding fines?

you do ... voluntarily by contract ... every time you apply or register or get licensed,  take tax subsidies, pay taxes, use public funds in any voluntary way, or do not rebut their presumptions if not under contract.


look, no one is debating your right to be governed if you want that. Hell most today could not survive without it, but that doesnt mean there are not responsible people who want to be sovereign and free and totally liable and responsible for themselves, without living beneath the yoke of enslavement, tyranny, and oppression of government...

so while you may not care about the governments lawful right to govern, many do.

and let me tell you your fellow citizens are not who you truly need protection from.


"... He is no fool who parts with that which he cannot keep, when he is sure to be recompensed with that which he cannot lose ..."

"... history disseminated to the masses is written by those who win battles and wars and murder their heroes ..."


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October 25, 2011, 12:35:22 PM
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I don't really care about a "right" to govern.

How is what you dont care about even relevent to being lawful or not ?


People organise together to prevent harm to themselves.  You can't stop it - its how we behave.  The organisation most people use is called the state.  

Is it right for the state to stop you doing something harmful?  Who cares?  You have to be stopped and that's the most important thing.

that is why our founding fathers created a Constitutional Republic instead of a mob-rules socialist/communist democracy. They knew the dangers. They were attorneys, politicians and diplomats.

While for some its the state, the organisation you refer to many call their community (friends and neighbors and family).


If you are doing something, for example driving a car without insurance, that is considered harmful, the state will stop you.  

as for consent, that's a joke.  Who consents to being taxed or to paying speeding fines?

you do ... voluntarily by contract ... every time you apply or register or get licensed,  take tax subsidies, pay taxes, use public funds in any voluntary way, or do not rebut their presumptions if not under contract.

I've dealt with contract in the other thread. 

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October 26, 2011, 06:12:14 PM
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I have a relative who is a Freeman.  Undecided
Let's just say that Vietnam was not good for his mind.

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October 27, 2011, 11:49:39 PM
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It's part of the Freeman movement.  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1B289953BD4AE10  It's something in Canada and the UK where they discovered statutory law only applies to employees of the government and cases where the government can make people act as employees like if they get a government ID.

No they found a "loophole" which doesn't actually exist or work. Every time this shit has been challenged in court the "freeman-on-the-land" has ended up getting punished for it becuase he's a dipshit.
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October 28, 2011, 02:52:42 AM
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No they found a "loophole" which doesn't actually exist or work. Every time this shit has been challenged in court the "freeman-on-the-land" has ended up getting punished for it becuase he's a dipshit.

Here's the precedents where Freeman have failed in the United States. http://www.adl.org/mwd/suss1.asp

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