WARNING Scammer hosting litecoin.info and litecoin.org

[BitcoinPorn]

2) We examine if tibbytard is actually a "scammer" or just a questionable business man. (I think loganschyre is a scammer, but others think he's just naive).

Reasonable I think, should be done.

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[terrytibbs]

I was under the impression by these posts that someone in the 'litecoin community' let him host something. If he just sniped the domains and is doing his own thing umm...this is just another perfect example of fucking idiots being fucking idiots?

I am not the owner of litecoin.org, litecoin.info, litecoin.net or litecoin.com. When this project was in its infancy, and this whole scammer thing hadn't developed yet, I offered my help in creating and hosting a website for the project.

I do believe in what's best for Litecoin, and if someone reputable would like to take over the hosting of these websites, and coblee agrees (as the owner of the domains), I will help the new host with migrating the database and configuration files.

This has and will always be my stance on this whole thing.

tibbytard

I like it!

[chieffery]

2) We examine if tibbytard is actually a "scammer" or just a questionable business man. (I think loganschyre is a scammer, but others think he's just naive).

Reasonable I think, should be done.

Oh you mean like a tried to do here:

Why are you labeled a scammer?

I am in disagreement with the board admins over a business decision of mine not to refund customers when one of my suppliers went behind my back chargebacking goods I was reselling.

That doesn't make sense... how could a supplier do a chargeback on you when your the one buying the items from them?  You can't chargeback a physical item or a service, a chargeback is exactly that, a charge which is reversed. Can you explain what your talking about and also how this affected your customers, and why they were at fault?

I am not going to be discussing this in this thread.
Please investigate and ask questions in the following threads:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43699.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47551.0

Thank you.

[panerai]

**GROUP HUG**

[chieffery]

**GROUP HUG**

*zips up pants*

*takes pants off!!*

[BitcoinPorn]

*pulls down pants*

I really got to revive that project, the landing page is gone.

[freequant]

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tl;dr
Matthew can you learn to be concise please?
I never managed to read a complete post from you: I get bored too quick.

[BitcoinPorn]

Oh you mean like a tried to do here:

I meant for Matt, so he can determine for his own whether or not he thinks the label should stand as well as how it should be seen for Litecoin since he does nothing else then provide hosting, something that MagicalTux does for Bitcointalk, home to all the scams.  I know Matt sees my example as extreme and stupid, but the point stands in that sense, that terry doing hosting his too highly advertised at all.

[terrytibbs]

EDIT: Doesn't github allow for a front page? just URL forward that shit.

The page is in PHP, but it could probably easily be adapted to work in HTML with a couple of the features disabled.

The wiki would still need a permanent home, as that needs databases and more configuration options than what Github can provide.

[coblee]

Yes, terrytibbs has offered me a few times to switch hosts if I thought his scammer label was an issue. Since I didn't think it was, I have not switched hosts. Plus there weren't anyone else that I trusted more than terrytibbs.

Anyways, since this seems like a big issue for some people, I will look into hosting the site with github for now. When we need something more that just a few static pages, I will figure it out then.

So, terrytibbs, please help me convert the webpages to static html. And I will have github host it. Github also has a wiki and we can move the wiki information there: https://github.com/coblee/litecoin/wiki

[chieffery]

Oh you mean like a tried to do here:

I meant for Matt, so he can determine for his own whether or not he thinks the label should stand as well as how it should be seen for Litecoin since he does nothing else then provide hosting, something that MagicalTux does for Bitcointalk, home to all the scams.  I know Matt sees my example as extreme and stupid, but the point stands in that sense, that terry doing hosting his too highly advertised at all.

Your example DOESN'T make sense and is stupid.  Terry isn't a scammer because he is hosting litecoin sites.. he is a scammer for his own personal direct actions against honest customers.

Hosting a forum doesn't make you responsible for the actions of the people who participate.

Scamming people on your own accord does make you responsible for your own actions.

Seriously your lack of logic is amazing.

[chieffery]

Yes, terrytibbs has offered me a few times to switch hosts if I thought his scammer label was an issue. Since I didn't think it was, I have not switched hosts. Plus there weren't anyone else that I trusted more than terrytibbs.

Anyways, since this seems like a big issue for some people, I will look into hosting the site with github for now. When we need something more that just a few static pages, I will figure it out then.

So, terrytibbs, please help me convert the webpages to static html. And I will have github host it. Github also has a wiki and we can move the wiki information there: https://github.com/coblee/litecoin/wiki

Thanks, glad you came to your senses.

[freequant]

Great, thanks to lock the thread now.

[terrytibbs]

So, terrytibbs, please help me convert the webpages to static html. And I will have github host it. Github also has a wiki and we can move the wiki information there: https://github.com/coblee/litecoin/wiki

Sure! I'm still waiting on my host to give me the latest backups, but I'll send them to you as soon as they're here.

[chieffery]

For the record, whether tibbs was immature, over zealous, or whatever else, it seems to me like he's not the kind of 'scammer' that deserves a "scammer" tag. Probably just another instance of "if it smells like smoke....DROWN IT".

I agree with you.  While I don't agree with his business decisions, I don't know much about the guy.  My only sure fact was that associating a labeled scammer with the main 3 domains lent itself to a terrible public image, regardless of surrounding facts.  That needed to change; why it took so much effort and had so much resistance is beyond me, but that's over now.

[BitcoinPorn]

why it took so much effort and had so much resistance

Poor presentation of a point.

[chieffery]

why it took so much effort and had so much resistance

Poor presentation of a point.

Perhaps this is true, I am not the best at presenting points.  Just glad you realized I was right in the end.

[coblee]

For the record, whether tibbs was immature, over zealous, or whatever else, it seems to me like he's not the kind of 'scammer' that deserves a "scammer" tag. Probably just another instance of "if it smells like smoke....DROWN IT".

I agree with you.  While I don't agree with his business decisions, I don't know much about the guy.  My only sure fact was that associating a labeled scammer with the main 3 domains lent itself to a terrible public image, regardless of surrounding facts.  That needed to change; why it took so much effort and had so much resistance is beyond me, but that's over now.

I felt that you didn't need to go on such an attack on terrytibbs and on me. Some of the stuff you said where uncalled for. Even though what you ultimately fought for was right (the fact that users would be worried that the person hosting litecoin.org has a scammer label), the way you went about it was pretty poor. Instead of going about it nicely, you made claims that were blatantly false and instilled a lot of hostility towards you and muddied your argument:

"everyone can make their own decision on whether or not they like to download binaries hosted by a proven scam artist"
- the binaries are not hosted on litecoin.org
- and terrytibbs is not a "proven scam artist." most people will agree that to be a scam artist, you need have intent to scam people. the terrytibbs "scam" is  more like he sold a used car that turned out to be a lemon (which he didn't know about) and he refused to accept returns. so buyers were stuck with the lemon and asked the mods here to label him as a scammer.

"litecoin domains run high risk of having links to malicious binaries"
- the fact that terrytibbs is labeled as a scammer for his past deals does not make it a "high risk" that he will change the litecoin website to link to malicious binaries.

And these personal attacks don't help:
"For personal reasons Coblee (litecoin dev) thinks he has better moral judgement than this entire community"
"Learn reading comprehension"
"shows a direct and complete disregard for the security of your users"
"Perhaps you just need a scapegoat so when you scam your entire user base"

Although I don't agree that having terrytibbs host the website is a high security risk, I do concede that it does not shine a good light on Litecoin when terrytibbs has a scammer label, whether valid or not. And people (like yourself) will immediately jump to the wrong conclusion when they see the scammer label. And I don't feel like dealing with threads like these in the future.

Well, it's behind us now. Please lock this thread.

[coblee]

Interesting to note:

The scammer tag that terrytibbs has would be removed if he just refunded the buyers.

Seems a small price to pay.

I've talked to him about this, but seems like he doesn't agree in principle that he should pay back the money when he was also scammed by his supplier. Different people have different philosophies about how business dealings should be handled when things go wrong. And I don't have enough information and really have no right to judge him on this.

I also asked why he doesn't just get a different username on the forums. And he told me that he thinks that's not right to try to hide this from others.

So take that however you want.

[chieffery]

Sorry coblee, but I tried being nice.  You dismissed and disrespected me, and things escalated to what they are now.  Had you answered my PM we could have handled this quietly.


I did what I needed to in order to makes things right.  Sorry you didn't respond to my other attempts, I have no regrets of what I did if that's what it took to make you come to your senses.