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October 24, 2011, 02:02:15 PM
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WikiLeaks Suspends Release of Secrets to Seek Cash:  http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-10-24/wikileaks-publishing-finances/50888948/1

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WikiLeaks said in a statement Monday that it would stop publishing in order to focus on making money — explaining that the blockade imposed by financial companies including Visa, MasterCard, Western Union and PayPal left it with no choice.

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October 24, 2011, 02:53:47 PM
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I guess they need it for operational costs.   Servers need money especially those of the scale of Wikileaks, staff needs salary, he himself also need money for expenses.
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October 24, 2011, 03:09:25 PM
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I am undecided on the wikileak but the concept isn't just for them to release what they have and go away.

Their stated goal (dubious or believable or not) is for incresed transparency.  Their purpose is to be a network where whistleblowers can securely and anonymously give information.  That information can be verified and released to the press.  Essentially a middle man between potential sources of information and the press

If they simply release what they have and shutdown it doesn't really accomplish anything.  It would be like saying "Why doesn't Bitcoin just do one final trade and shutdown.  Why do miners need to get paid?".
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October 24, 2011, 03:15:37 PM
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Wikileaks is not just a site that releases random shit.

It is a web site, and thus it has running costs. It cannot just  dump all its info and leave, it would make no sense.

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October 24, 2011, 03:19:07 PM
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800 BTC donated , too little.

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October 24, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
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Why can't it just dump everything and then wait until it get more to dump??? Let people with free time sort it! If they did that, I would support them!

But making deals with news papers.. Getting involved in lawsuits over who owns the stolen info??? I don't know...

What do you mean dump and wait.  How do they wait?  How do people contact them?  How do they retain staff between "dumps"?  Why would they wait to dump information?  What if information is arriving at random times on a near continual basis?


As a correlary: Why don't bitcoin users all decide to make all their transactions for the entire year on 01 JAN.  That way the network only needs to run one day a year.  Why do miners need to get paid everyday even when there are no transactions?

Personaly I think wikileaks is dubous but your "solution" is even more dubous.  If you think the concept of wikileaks have value then it needs fund to operate continually so it is ready for any information released.  On the other hand if you think the concept of wikileaks is dubous well there is no reason for it to operate at all.  Why operate something part time if is of dubious value?

Many people think bitcoin is of dubous value.  Is the solution to gain acceptance to run the bitcoin network part time?
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October 24, 2011, 03:37:56 PM
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Well that is your misconception.  There goal is to verify information or at least verify sources.

Anyone can open a website that is a dumping ground for any kind of garbage.  Of course no press is going to report on a "document" found on an anno dumping website which claims Obama is a robotic created by an alien race which intends to enslave the human race.

I think you fundamentally misunderstand what wikileaks does.  Like I said I don't support them.  I think their goals are dubious but so are your "solutions".

It would be like saying:
why have bitcoin.  People can just write what they owe each other in emails and email it back and forth.  Much easier. Much cheaper.

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October 24, 2011, 03:51:04 PM
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Its not only verifying information, they also try to clear the information, that is, find out what information could be dangerous to individuals and redact it where needed, either themselves, or in cooperation with government authorities (if they want to cooperate, which so far, has not been often). For leaks of the scope of what wikileaks regularly receives, thats a monumental task.

Then there is legal costs...

Anyway, Im not the greatest fan of Assange personally, but I do see wikileaks as a very good thing. We shouldnt need it if our media did their job of protecting sources and publishing important information regardless of what their governments want, but our media have turned in to spineless propaganda machines and comedy, so, donation sent.

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October 24, 2011, 04:06:25 PM
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So, I am paying them to censor information if I make a denotation? Fuck that... Redact... lol not a service I am interested in....

You'd rather see the names and addresses of everyone mentioned in every leak are revealed publicly, so that for instance, DEA informants could more easily be assassinated by drug cartels? You might change your mind if one day someone leaks phone, bank, credit card or whatever records that happen to also contain your personal data.

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October 24, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
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Nope, all data should be free. Once this happens people will act very very very different! I am willing and ready for all of my data to be out assuming everyone else has theirs out too. It would change the world!

What a great idea. Lets throw what little is left of our privacy under the bus. Why dont you lead by example. Care to start by publishing an ssh account so I can view all the information on your PC? Or just publish your wallet's private key? Gee maybe thats not such a good idea after all.

Oh while we're at it, lets publish launch codes of those nuclear missiles. Wouldnt hurt Im sure.

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October 24, 2011, 04:15:26 PM
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Nope, all data should be free. Once this happens people will act very very very different! I am willing and ready for all of my data to be out assuming everyone else has theirs out too. It would change the world!

Then go for it.  Right here in this thread.

Name
Address
Phone Number
Employer
Salary
Incomes taxes paid
All credit card # (including expiration dates & CCV)
Mother maiden name (so people can get accounts in your name)
Value of all bank/stock/brokerage accounts, along with account numbers, and names of brokerage

I am thinking you aren't as ready as you think you are.
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October 24, 2011, 04:36:28 PM
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Did you even read what I quoted? There was an assumption, I wanted us all to be equal.
You aren't equal.  Some people will maliciously use information and others won't.  Those who are willing to maliciously use it will be more powerful that those who don't.  A stupid basis for a society and not one I would want to live in.

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Well seeing as you didn't answer any of the original questions.  Nothing.
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October 24, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
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Goat - your avatar photo is wrong fyi
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October 24, 2011, 04:54:44 PM
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Wikileaks are trying to remain as legal as possible since the identities of the key players are known. They do that by compromising: redacting some things, releasing info in a somewhat responsible manner in cooperation with old school media organisations. They NEED to remain as legal as possible, to survive.

Of course hacker groups can release info with no repercussions because of their anonymity... But I also don't see them providing a central and secure and trusted (and most importantly -well publicised-) point that a non hacker can go to to "leak" stuff. For the hacker groups to improve on Wikileaks they need to solve that. Create some central domains / contact points or some little peer to peer utility that becomes well known enough that any random person with little tech skills can submit stuff to. And that also cannot be shut down when they start taking the heat.

So both Wikileaks and hacker groups ways of working are totally different. Hackers break in, take stuff, dump. Requires great technical skill, sure, but provided they don't slip up there are minimal repercussions and little harm to their persons. On the other hand Wikileaks is trying to do this within a journalistic framework and within the law.

Both are valuable endeavours. Wikileaks, because it is just about responsible and careful enough that it can be quite well accepted by at least some of the normal population as something that should exist. Hacker groups, because they push the boundaries even further, though far more normal citizens would probably condemn their dumps as irresponsible or criminal.

Maybe the openness that the hacker groups aspire to is something nice for the future, but before we get there, Wikileaks is a good stepping stone along the way.

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October 24, 2011, 05:00:06 PM
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Keep in mind, anyone that wants to donate to Wikileaks anonymously can request a one-time address from their IRC bot, so we only know that at LEAST 886 BTC has been donated (to 1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v).
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October 24, 2011, 06:01:10 PM
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I think this is absolutely massive news! Everyone needs to spread the word and tell people about this, because it will help Bitcoin a lot.

I'm not that sure about Wikileaks but that doesn't matter. A lot of people support it and this could prove to be very good press for Bitcoin.

I do think that Wikileaks is a good thing overall so I'm donating a few coins as well. But more importantly, spread the word!

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October 24, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
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I don't personally give a fuck if Julian Assange is the most famous man on earth, a 15 year old in a basement in Omaha playing with puppets, or the daughter of the sultan of Brunei. I sent $100 to Wikileaks last year a few days before their payments were shut down, and I did it on my personal visa debit card for no other reason than to make a statement: I can support whoever the hell I want, and I believe in transparency.

My payment never reached WL, and I never got it back. It happened two days before they were blacklisted by the payment processors. So I've got reason to be mad.

If you look at the direction that the world's going, you'll see a pattern similar to what led up to the fall of Rome, the Great Depression and the Banking Crisis: The consolidation of so much wealth and power into the hands of so few, who are (importantly) less and less accountable, and more and more inbred and complacent over time. The rich can keep gettin richer forever, but they can't stop their children from being squandering idiots. Extrapolate over a few generations and you have the built-in mechanism that keeps humanity from ever turning into a permanent 1984-style dictatorship: The incredible loss, inefficiency, lack of production, sloth, greed, self-destructive urges and nihilistic desires that come along with a spoiled rich child's sense of a right to a larger piece of the pie than his betters, the people who actually think and create to produce value.

I'm not dragging Bitcoin into this as a way to rectify the current slate of wrongs, but I'll say that at the moment it's a symbol of economic defiance, and a hair's breadth from true political defiance against the current power structure. I'm proud to support it as a merchant and an entrepreneur, and I see it as the necessary next step in our social evolution as a species.

Long story short, I'm gonna send my contribution again, in Bitcoin this time. And I'm gonna start sending regularly. Why? Because no one has the authority to tell anyone else how to spend their capital.

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October 25, 2011, 12:54:06 AM
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My payment never reached WL, and I never got it back. It happened two days before they were blacklisted by the payment processors. So I've got reason to be mad.
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More than likely your $100 was diverted to a fund to support US Secret prisons that hopefully Jullian Assange will be in shortly.

The cool thing about that would be that I could finally see what is in the 'insurance.aes256' file.  That could be a very nice x-mas present.  Or it could be nothing.  Maybe we'll find out one of these days.

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October 25, 2011, 02:47:51 PM
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Sorry I couldn't reply after starting this thread, for I was out of pocket. Had to go to Green Bay to see a man woman about a horse barn.

I just finished reading all the posts, finding them an interesting and informative read. At the moment, I have no comment(s) to post with the exception of this one, acting as a bump and, if merited, to continue further discussion.


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October 25, 2011, 05:30:51 PM
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good old julian assange, well...............i'll give him only one credit, he knows how to protect himself.
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