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March 05, 2014, 10:30:06 AM
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Even more concerning to me would be the potential for this Oliver Janssens getting preferential treatment or being named to a position of power in the new entity by leveraging the collective debt of mtgoxrecovery.  

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Yeah he's all like "Dude, why haven't you called me with the investment details?"

Check out my prescient ATS thread from 2008: "Windows XP: End the Cyberwar, Open the Code Now!" http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread411978/pg1
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March 05, 2014, 03:06:58 PM
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Haha, "do you understand law enforcement"?

So, he is a pawn of law enforcement, allowing them to run the deposit window.  They are going after the SR bad guy(s) ostensibly.

Surprising it's taken so long for the honey pot theory to be suggested.

Mr. Karpeles nonchalant demeanor certainly has been more suggestive of a puppet than a puppet-master.

                         
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March 05, 2014, 05:09:03 PM
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If this is legit...

Can anyone speculate / show evidence about the potential buyers Mark is talking about?
Also, what kind of deal do you think are they going to make, if a deal is made at all?
Would the authorities force the new owners to repay the BTC owed to creditors or just the usd?
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March 05, 2014, 05:35:50 PM
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If this is legit...

Can anyone speculate / show evidence about the potential buyers Mark is talking about?
Also, what kind of deal do you think are they going to make, if a deal is made at all?
Would the authorities force the new owners to repay the BTC owed to creditors or just the usd?


Well one thing's for sure, they won't be chatting about it on irc.

You can be sure anything 'overheard' on irc was meant to be.

                         
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March 05, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
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Well one thing's for sure, they won't be chatting about it on irc.

You can be sure anything 'overheard' on irc was meant to be.

Well, the last IRC chat that I read turned out to be true to the word. (Where Mark said the leaked document is "more or less legit" and so on)
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March 05, 2014, 06:51:28 PM
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Surprising it's taken so long for the honey pot theory to be suggested.

Mr. Karpeles nonchalant demeanor certainly has been more suggestive of a puppet than a puppet-master.


Yeah, I sensed it but I am just another person watching the play.. Main question being:  Who gave the order to keep the deposit window open?

But yeah you are right about his demeanor, like "I'll tell my dad if you aren't nice."  LOL

Check out my prescient ATS thread from 2008: "Windows XP: End the Cyberwar, Open the Code Now!" http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread411978/pg1
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March 05, 2014, 07:29:25 PM
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If this is legit...

Can anyone speculate / show evidence about the potential buyers Mark is talking about?

You have several leads.

The two-bit-idiot, isn't that Ryan Selkins?

And the firm making the MtGox disaster recovery report.

Both these parties should have info.

Also those making the joint statement against MtGox once their trading stopped, and the CEO of Kraken and Roger Ver should have information. Those two were apparently happy to talk to Wired recently regarind the inner workings of MtGox.

So a lot of people would know who these potential buyers are.
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March 05, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
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Is there another reference to this IRC chat anywhere?
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March 06, 2014, 05:43:30 AM
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If this is legit...

Can anyone speculate / show evidence about the potential buyers Mark is talking about?

You have several leads.

The two-bit-idiot, isn't that Ryan Selkins?

And the firm making the MtGox disaster recovery report.

Both these parties should have info.

Also those making the joint statement against MtGox once their trading stopped, and the CEO of Kraken and Roger Ver should have information. Those two were apparently happy to talk to Wired recently regarind the inner workings of MtGox.

So a lot of people would know who these potential buyers are.

Michael Keferl

http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelkeferl

This individual is connected to all parties.  Humint (goxcoin proposal),  Mandalah (Crisis strategy document), MtgoxRecovery.com

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March 06, 2014, 09:25:10 AM
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14:45:03 <anarchystar> also, why dont you offer me the chance to invest?
14:46:33 <anarchystar> i think its time you start talking
14:48:55 <MagicalTux> well, maybe the fact that you had guys following me and my staff outside our office could be part of the reason why we didn't include you in the recovery process ?

If the talk is legit: Not including potential investors, because of personal feelings, is again a failure on Marks side to act best for his customers/creditors.

As MT.Gox is now supervised under bankruptcy protection, this could even be criminal, too.
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March 06, 2014, 09:45:48 AM
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14:52:39 <MagicalTux> note that the process we are in right now also allows us to start a process where everyone's debt is converted to share holding of the company, however this requires approval of at least half of the customers (around 500k people)

This has the signature of the official bail-in plans published by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the EU, etc..

Starting to see pattern here, as I suspected as to who is really in control right now.

Also, this link from reddit suggests that anarchystar is behind mtgoxrecovery.com (who've repeatedly refused to disclose who is behind them), a BF forum thread promoting them was made by Olivier Jenssens although yet again no information was forthcoming about who was behind them and their broader intentions.

pastebin.com/1M0Qn59u



Yes i would like Oliver Jenssens to disclose what law firm he is working with & he hasn't even after many have asked.  Whoever takes over gox must be legit i dont wanna be goxed anymore


so everyone knows....  Oliver jenssens = anarchystar = mtgoxrecovery.com



Patrick will probably represent the law firm, with Johann Gevers handling the liquidation.
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May 26, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
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Remember that 10000 BTC wall on Bitstamp on Monday, 24 Feb 2014?



http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yraho/10000_offer_on_bitstamp/

Call it coincidence?



http://pastebin.com/XyKt7mFF

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May 27, 2014, 08:57:48 PM
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<MagicalTux> do you even understand what a police investigation is?
23:44:08 <MagicalTux> only the police can disclose elements they deem safe to be disclosed
23:44:22 <anarchystar> funny
23:44:32 <anarchystar> do you understand what fraud is?
23:45:23 <MagicalTux> I do, yes
23:45:53 <MagicalTux> I do not not see however what this has to do with me giving or not giving you confidential details on the investigation in progress
These above lines in the chat, if authentic, seem to imply that it is the Tokyo police who have gagged MK, and point to the Japanese government as potentially the ones responsible for impounding Mt. Gox's missing 650,000 bitcoins and $27 million in bank deposits. Previous speculation centered on a seizure of the funds by the USG and subsequent gagging.

It's difficult to understand how bank deposits in Japan and Europe could have been seized by the USG--makes far more sense that Japan did the deed, and that Eurpoean banks merely cooperated. Also, MK portrays himself as somewhat of a passive bystander in the whole matter. Since he didn't come to the U.S. to be deposed in Texas, or appear before FINSEN in Washington, D.C. when subpoenaed, it appears that from any practical standpoint, he is beyond the reach of the USG. Therefore, it is far more likely that Japan is giving MK his marching orders.

All of the above further supports the notion that had there in fact been a seizure, then the Japanese government must be behind it. If so, then it kind of makes a total farce out of the entire Tokyo bankruptcy proceeding under the good Mr. Kobayashi.

If all this boils down to a case of asset stripping, as speculated earlier, <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615261.0>, there appears to be the real possibility of collusion between the Japanese government entities involved in any said putative seizure of assets, and those parties involved in the alleged asset stripping.
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