MTGOX Statement *NEW MAR 3RD*

[grifferz]

Given he apparently left France in a hurry, moving to Japan practically over night after his employers accused him of computer fraud, I think there is valid reason to suspect that it's more than incompetence, and that illegal activity on his part here is likely.

That's interesting. Do you have any reference for this, even if it's just a reference to a rumour?

Ah, I've seen http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110 now - is that the one?

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[runam0k]

He's been handling MTGOX for years now with no major problems and now because he has a small issue it's reached a point where he can't hide it anymore everybody wants to crucify him.

FTFY.

Or were you being sarcastic?

[spin]

They still need someone to write things CLEARLY.

My thoughts:
Apology first.  (though this may be a cultural thing)
Liabilities: provide breakdown?  At what price? Currency? Breakdown of liabilities by currency?
What is the increase?  Who is the expert(s)?
Comment On the same day seems to refer to an earlier statement but it is unclear what it refers to.  What happened on that same day?  The investigation?  All that seems unclear is that they do not seem to be able to tell when they found out about the gap (trying to avoid jail time?)

Clear as mud...

[techstorm3]

No one could be that incompetent, losing 800K btc, if it looks like fraud, smells like fraud and sounds like fraud, guess what!!

 

[Mowcore]

Given he apparently left France in a hurry, moving to Japan practically over night after his employers accused him of computer fraud, I think there is valid reason to suspect that it's more than incompetence, and that illegal activity on his part here is likely.

That's interesting. Do you have any reference for this, even if it's just a reference to a rumour?

Ah, I've seen http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110 now - is that the one?

Fuck Gawker comments..

[loewen.brad]

I'm still gonna have to go with the incompetence argument. After all... Mt. Gox WAS originally created as a website for people to trade Magic: The Gathering cards with each other. Not EXACTLY something that takes a masters degree in business and economics to run properly, which is precisely what someone who heads a multi-million dollar financial institution should have.

[BitcoinObmen]

There are just 2 realististic possibilities:

1. Mark Karpeles stole it
2. Somebody else from MtGox stole it.

The whole "there was a hacker, who used a bug to steal the Money"-Argument is just stupid.

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[Loozik]

I'm still gonna have to go with the incompetence argument.

The incompetence argument (nice, naive fatty guy, probably incompetent) was created with fabricated ''leaks'', released on the right moments directed to the right people (the clueless ones):
- IRC chat discussions
- recovery plan
- business plan
- etc

The incompetence argument was so frequently used that it got imprinted in our brains. The incompetence served only as distraction for us so that we would never see that the grand theft of $ 0.5 billion was happening.

[Zeeks]

Anyone who even starts to believe any of that for even a moment ought to drop by service discussion or r/bitcoin and see how people are uncovering hundreds of thousands of bitcoins still sitting untouched in MtGOX wallets. As if somehow no one would notice.

[donking]

I can not see any way justice being served and Mark Gox coming out of this ordeal with any coins to his name.

[davida]

So, for less than 30 million usd technically a new owner could step in and restore all mtgox balances and continue business as normal?  (i say normal, obviously would have a lot of trust to regain)   

Surely in the long term some smart investors would be all over that???

[BitOnyx]

Interesting is this might be one of first cases where bitcoins would be seriously taken as assets. I don't like some of changes force in all of this statements but i bet they get good enough lawyers for that. Ironically there wouldn't be so many problems if maybe they bought themselves insurance or store data off-line. Or maybe just limit on bitcoins stored on people accounts. At some point they were not only exchange but also bank in some way.

[ab8989]

(1) As of now, the liabilities of MtGox Co., Ltd exceed its assets and its financial situation is as follows:
Total amount of assets    3,841,866,163
Total amount of current liabilities    6,501,119,371

This statement looks horribly unprofessional. Why is there no indication of which currency is used? I assume those are yen, but I should not have to guess whether they are yen or not!!!

If we convert the numbers to USD by approximately dividing by 100 we get that the assets are 38MUSD and liabilities 65MUSD.

The numbers from crisis memo were fiat assets 32MUSD and liabilities 55MUSD. We are in the same ballpark so that gives some indication that assumption the statement was in yen might have been correct.

However I took the numbers from the crisis draft without BTC. That indicates the effect of the lost 750kBTC is not included at all! Using USD500/BTC gives an additional liability of 375MUSD or 37,500,000,000 yen which is not included in the statement today!!!

I am out of ideas for any alternative explanation how these numbers could make any sense at all in some other way.

[exocytosis]

Given he apparently left France in a hurry, moving to Japan practically over night after his employers accused him of computer fraud, I think there is valid reason to suspect that it's more than incompetence, and that illegal activity on his part here is likely.

Word.

[exocytosis]

"These are now investigated by an expert"
I just hope that this single "expert" has any idea what bitcoin is.

The expert is called Mark Karpeles.

[electronistul]

I'm fascinated how nobody reports back on this forum (or I'm idiotic enough to not have found the relevant thread around here yet) on telephone inquiries.
I mean, ffs, they did list a couple of telephone numbers on their "press release", one of them was for English speaking customers, some thousand people must have already called over there - did they say anything at all ?!
I would probably pop only the relevant Qs at hand:
- "Will MtGox reimburse anything ?"
- "Will I get back a fraction of the fiat/BTC I had on my account at the time you wiped the site off the internet ?"
- "Was Karpeles buying some ~6k coins on Stamp earlier today so he could free his family from wrongdoers ?"
- "Are you (the telephone operator) gay ?"
- "Does God exist?"
... and some others I can swiftly think of ... 

[fryarminer]

I'm fascinated how nobody reports back on this forum (or I'm idiotic enough to not have found the relevant thread around here yet) on telephone inquiries.
I mean, ffs, they did list a couple of telephone numbers on their "press release", one of them was for English speaking customers, some thousand people must have already called over there - did they say anything at all ?!
I would probably pop only the relevant Qs at hand:
- "Will MtGox reimburse anything ?"
- "Will I get back a fraction of the fiat/BTC I had on my account at the time you wiped the site off the internet ?"
- "Was Karpeles buying some ~6k coins on Stamp earlier today so he could free his family from wrongdoers ?"
- "Are you (the telephone operator) gay ?"
- "Does God exist?"
... and some others I can swiftly think of ... 

Someone did report last evening on a different thread. All they did was refer him to the website.

[Rampion]

I'm fascinated how nobody reports back on this forum (or I'm idiotic enough to not have found the relevant thread around here yet) on telephone inquiries.
I mean, ffs, they did list a couple of telephone numbers on their "press release", one of them was for English speaking customers, some thousand people must have already called over there - did they say anything at all ?!
I would probably pop only the relevant Qs at hand:
- "Will MtGox reimburse anything ?"
- "Will I get back a fraction of the fiat/BTC I had on my account at the time you wiped the site off the internet ?"
- "Was Karpeles buying some ~6k coins on Stamp earlier today so he could free his family from wrongdoers ?"
- "Are you (the telephone operator) gay ?"
- "Does God exist?"
... and some others I can swiftly think of ... 

Here a link to a Gox call center conversation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HJt-MpoTP4

[frito]

I'm fascinated how nobody reports back on this forum (or I'm idiotic enough to not have found the relevant thread around here yet) on telephone inquiries.
I mean, ffs, they did list a couple of telephone numbers on their "press release", one of them was for English speaking customers, some thousand people must have already called over there - did they say anything at all ?!
I would probably pop only the relevant Qs at hand:
- "Will MtGox reimburse anything ?"
- "Will I get back a fraction of the fiat/BTC I had on my account at the time you wiped the site off the internet ?"
- "Was Karpeles buying some ~6k coins on Stamp earlier today so he could free his family from wrongdoers ?"
- "Are you (the telephone operator) gay ?"
- "Does God exist?"
... and some others I can swiftly think of ... 

Here a link to a Gox call center conversation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HJt-MpoTP4

sounds like karpeleses nurse moonlighting

[frito]

In order to increase repayments to our creditors, it is necessary to explore the possibility of having MtGox Co., Ltd. continue its business. This is why the civil rehabilitation procedure has been chosen, Rebuilding MtGox Co., Ltd under the supervision of the court in a legally organized procedure while giving proper explanations will not be for the sole benefit of the company but for that of the whole bitcoin community.
All efforts will now be made to restore the business and recover damages to repay debts to creditors. We hope for the understanding and cooperation of all.

I wanna be a shareholder and change the firm name to fritoX