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August 31, 2018, 08:10:56 AM
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We already know who the good campaign managers are. That's not the problem here. The problem is that anyone can be a campaign manager, and the people behind the funding of the advertising don't care who the bounty manager is, and whether there's spam or not. Okay, not entirely true. Some projects do tend to hire more trustworthy, and ethical managers, but the majority won't.

I WONT to be a compaign manahger. please sir I am the best, I have lots of "friends and family" taht know the mission of this forum. We are all bowing down to sir Theymos and our God on this forum Vod. We promiese to post 450 posts each account member of this prostigious forumn.

SIR please give me job so I can feed family, my wife has just had her big toe eaten by a snake, I am worryed about here verrry mutchness.

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August 31, 2018, 08:37:07 AM
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How can a forum survive if all good knowledgeable members leave and its only shitposters and bots that are left(with a few members here and there)? theymos himself said it, managing this forum is more than just a headache. Like it or not, the forum is getting worse by the day. And we are sitting here with our hands tied and not able to do anything about it.

Of course it will survive. I'm not sure survive is the right word you're using here. The forum isn't going to 'die' when the traffic continues to grow due to bounties and sig campaigns. The majority of traffic will be trash and the forum will become even worse than it already is and unfit for it's true purpose in the process, but it wont die.

It surprises me that there are only 26 staff members. In other forums(like reddit), there are like 8-10 moderators per board(subreddit). We need like 2 mods per sub-board, and one Global mod for entire board,if that makes any sense. It doesn't have to be a Global Mod, but a new type of mod just to handle an entire board, and helping other mods of that specific board.

The forum is badly understaffed in my opinion, but I honestly don't know whether theymos prefers it that way with minimal moderation and rules etc. It doesn't make for a very usable or user-friendly forum though and you can see that from the number of complaints about various issues.

We don't need more admins, but the admin power certainly could be little delegated. I don't think theymos will ever delegate things like running ad slots or responding to emails or restoring accounts. He'd be potentially putting a lot at risk.

Semantics. Either more admins need to be added or more people doing admin duties. Doesn't matter what title you give them. If theymos doesn't trust some of the current staff members with some of this then they probably shouldn't be mods in the first place. You could have people running the ad slots without them even having to hold any money if that was something he's worried about. Theymos could continue to hold the addresses and the staff member is just in charge of making sure the money gets paid there. Sure, a staff member might try divert funds to addresses owned by them but is that worth ruining their account over? They probably couldn't get away with that much for a monthly ad slot anyway and there are probably easier ways a staff member could make money or even scam someone here.

theymos doesn't want to remove signatures, because he encourages people to earn from this forum, but he also said that people shouldn't shitpost to earn. I am starting to wonder if theymos gets pissed everytime someone says "theymos said this." "theymos said that."

He also isn't happy with the spam just like everyone else, so a compromise needs to be found here. You don't have to remove signatures either but the culture needs to change and only those making quality contributions should be getting paid here. If this forum is going to continue as it is then it is no longer fit for anything other than being a welfare system for those who will just continue to find ways to cheat and abuse it.


 
People think this forum is decentralized because one, it has bitcoin in its name, and two, it was created by satoshi.

Well that's a misconception they're going to need to get over or actually think about what they're complaining about. Just because something is decentralised doesn't mean there are no rules. Bitcoin has rules. You can't complain that there should be more bitcoins in existence or bitcoin should be the run the way you want it because decentralisation.

We already know who the good campaign managers are. That's not the problem here. The problem is that anyone can be a campaign manager, and the people behind the funding of the advertising don't care who the bounty manager is, and whether there's spam or not. Okay, not entirely true. Some projects do tend to hire more trustworthy, and ethical managers, but the majority won't.

ICOs tend to not bother because they don't really care. They're not business that are here for the longrun; they want to take in as much money as fast as possible then disappear and paying someone to run their campaign properly is both needless, counter-productive and an unnecessary expense to them. Bitcoin paying campaigns tend to have proper business behind them that care about their reputation and actually want to build something. That's the difference. There needs to be some standards here. Imagine a society without rules or regulations. There's a reason why a civilised society has things like building regulations because people would just cut corners and do a shitty job as cheap as possible and and put lives at risk in the process.



1. What will be qualification to even apply for the licence?

2. What will be the category of licences that will be issued we know there are different levels of campaign participants while some would be 50 participants, others might be as much as 200 participants.

2. Who are those that will issue the licence? This is the key part and we should be ready for round of name calling, attacks, allegations of favoritism and abuse of power.

The current situation is not the best but we are better of and I think campaign managers especially in the bounty section of the forum should be made accountable for the attitude of their participants.



I don't think it'd be easy to enforce who can and can't run them, but it's easy to police when they're doing a shitty job. There's new campaign managers who do a great job, but there's plenty more who don't and those are the ones who we should go after.

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August 31, 2018, 10:54:42 AM
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Not agree. This is open discussion forum for crypto community. Who will responsible if scamed by ICO? People will claim to forum admin for that if give license for bounty managers.

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To be honest I am strongly agree with you. In my opinion disable posting for Jr. Member & newbie to make post from Marketplace (Altcoins) . They can perticipate and submit bounty report through Google form. And required small merit for Jr. Members. It will help also prevent account framing.

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August 31, 2018, 11:00:56 AM
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"What if?" What if we didn't allow ICOs to shit up the forum without repercussions? What if Junior Members couldn't even have a signature without earning some merit first? What if we didn't allow people to shitpost on 200 accounts? What if theymos actually started delegating workload between staff instead of ignoring the multitude of problems we have here? What if theymos actually implements just one of the hundreds of suggestions that have been made to improve the forum over the years? What if, what if, what if? Anything that requires any sort of effort by the admins or staff likely won't get implemented anytime soon if at all and we'll just continue to hide behind "freedom" and a laissez faire attitude. Well, when you let people do whatever they want this is what you get. Anarchy and mass abuse by people cutting corners to maximise profits for themselves whilst not caring about the damage they do in the process. The closest you'll likely get to your suggestion is enforcing the signature campaign guidelines we created. If a campaign comes here and is either lazy and/or incompetent then they should be given warnings and then punishments if nothing changes. If this happened then the culture would quickly change around here and campaigns would start doing their job because they can't afford to not be able to advertise here. As long as we let them get away with doing nothing then they will continue to do so. Nobody is going to do work that they don't need to, especially when running even a small campaign of 50 users likely amounts to the hours of a part time job. Some of these ICO campaigns accept anyone and have thousands of users on them and yet do nothing to police them and as such they are exploited by hundreds of bots and farmers that just exacerbates the problems. They don't care about that either because anyone who is wearing their signature is another person advertising for them whether they're shitposting, botting, or not. Until that changes then nothing else will change.
Honestly when people say r/btc is better than bitcointalk, I don't agree with them because there's a lot of FUD and other shit, but now I really think r/btc is better than bitcointalk,maybe I am being delusional at the moment, but bitcointalk is struggling to survive. People have to beg, and go to much lower levels to get tiniest of things done here. I don't want to blame the admins here, but they aren't doing so very well in delegating work.

This forum is also turning into a Battle Royal, to see who survives till the end. It would actually help if theymos can explain why some of the more important suggestions can't be implemented. Just saying 'no' gives us a blank feeling. It would be a long post, but at least then people will get why it can't implemented. People are living here in the dark.

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August 31, 2018, 11:58:37 AM
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I believe forum moderators check the posts.
And bounty managers can't delete a post, even if the user is wearing their signature. They can only report it, like any other user.
And who do you propose handles the screening, and on what criteria?
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August 31, 2018, 12:44:23 PM
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Thank you so much for your reactions on my idea, about the question how would those manager be screened I think we should set a certain criteria and let them judged by the randomly picked judges 20 Legendary members, 20 Hero members, 20 full members, 20 members, and 20 jr. members a total of 100 random members from each rank.

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August 31, 2018, 01:12:57 PM
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Thank you so much for your reactions on my idea, about the question how would those manager be screened I think we should set a certain criteria and let them judged by the randomly picked judges 20 Legendary members, 20 Hero members, 20 full members, 20 members, and 20 jr. members a total of 100 random members from each rank.

Random is really a bad method, moreover according to my point of view to lower the rank increases the possibility of being in front of a cheater for obvious reasons (although it is not a rule as you can find abusers even at high rank).
It would make more sense to rely on the trust even if you have to find people who are willing to do this and have no conflict of interests.

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August 31, 2018, 11:47:51 PM
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Of course it will survive. I'm not sure survive is the right word you're using here. The forum isn't going to 'die' when the traffic continues to grow due to bounties and sig campaigns. The majority of traffic will be trash and the forum will become even worse than it already is and unfit for it's true purpose in the process, but it wont die.
Probably, the forum would more or less become "useless" and the whole point of it being a forum would be non-existing.

The forum is badly understaffed in my opinion, but I honestly don't know whether theymos prefers it that way with minimal moderation and rules etc. It doesn't make for a very usable or user-friendly forum though and you can see that from the number of complaints about various issues.
I honestly have no clue why theymos hasn't bothered to release the official rules for this forum, if there's no official rules, people will think of this as a decentralized forum.

Semantics. Either more admins need to be added or more people doing admin duties. Doesn't matter what title you give them. If theymos doesn't trust some of the current staff members with some of this then they probably shouldn't be mods in the first place. You could have people running the ad slots without them even having to hold any money if that was something he's worried about. Theymos could continue to hold the addresses and the staff member is just in charge of making sure the money gets paid there. Sure, a staff member might try divert funds to addresses owned by them but is that worth ruining their account over? They probably couldn't get away with that much for a monthly ad slot anyway and there are probably easier ways a staff member could make money or even scam someone here.
I don't think money is the issue here. There's more to it,than what meets the eye. theymos, it'll take a few minutes, but its for you to address the community about the issues. And where's the new forum? Just give us the answers, and we'll shut our mouths(not really).

He also isn't happy with the spam just like everyone else, so a compromise needs to be found here. You don't have to remove signatures either but the culture needs to change and only those making quality contributions should be getting paid here. If this forum is going to continue as it is then it is no longer fit for anything other than being a welfare system for those who will just continue to find ways to cheat and abuse it.
Don't remove everybody's signature, when people spam they are temp banned right? Don't do that, first blacklist their signatures, and if they continue to shitpost, then temp ban, then perma ban. That may or may not help. Global mods should have the ability to blacklist or whitelist signatures.

Well that's a misconception they're going to need to get over or actually think about what they're complaining about. Just because something is decentralised doesn't mean there are no rules. Bitcoin has rules. You can't complain that there should be more bitcoins in existence or bitcoin should be the run the way you want it because decentralisation.
Even some high ranked members who contribute a lot ,think that the forum isn't "censored" and it isn't centralized. And they can do whatever they want, it'd make sense to anybody if people are *allowed* to scam, so they are allowed anything else they want.  Lips sealed

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August 31, 2018, 11:59:33 PM
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I dont see this working out well. Licensing? It reminds me of BitLicense. Anyone remembers how that ended up like? not so good.

These things just don't work with the ethos of this forum and generally with Bitcoin stuff. It's like when some people were suggesting SMS verification to register an account in order to stop the spammers... what's next, KYC?

It's supposed to be a free market. If someone is a bad manager and is doing a shitty work, then he will just not get hired for the task. If he is doing a good job, he will continue getting hired, or that's how it should work.

If you start regulating that, we will have more drama than what we have now. If you are bothered by shitposters derived from these bounties just ignore them, they will eventually get banned or they will just get bored and stop posting. I wouldn't lose sleep over this to be honest.

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September 01, 2018, 02:02:53 AM
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I WONT to be a compaign manahger. please sir I am the best, I have lots of "friends and family" taht know the mission of this forum. We are all bowing down to sir Theymos and our God on this forum Vod. We promiese to post 450 posts each account member of this prostigious forumn.

SIR please give me job so I can feed family, my wife has just had her big toe eaten by a snake, I am worryed about here verrry mutchness.

I will work for free - b ut give me merits and trust.

thank ytou siur

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Sir I have a veri bieg faamily and  mydoughter is seriously ill. Please give me job oatherwise I will kill me myself. Please , please Sir. Give me cartification. I really love this forum and raelly want to become bonty manager. I really poat good. I have 100 post tamplate ready that I can use and all are of more than 50 woards.

Thank you very much sir, i will not dissappoint you, please  help me.

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September 01, 2018, 02:06:42 PM
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Probably, the forum would more or less become "useless" and the whole point of it being a forum would be non-existing.

It has already become largely unfit for purpose. The vast majority of people posting here are just those churning out one/two liners for payment )or farming) and that much is obvious if you spend a few minutes reading a random thread in Bitcoin Discussion.

I honestly have no clue why theymos hasn't bothered to release the official rules for this forum, if there's no official rules, people will think of this as a decentralized forum.

There are rules, but a lot of the most important ones aren't enforced efficiently (bans or ban evasion to name a couple). The list of rules is also mostly community generated and the rules theymos initially created were very few and consisted of mostly things like no off topic replies. I'm not sure whether he even cares about enforcing half of them, but if certain rules aren't going to be enforced we should just get rid of them and go back to having only a handful of rules and let people already do largely what they want because that's what most do anyway. I don't think we should do this or allow it but not much else we can do about it without theymos' help.

I don't think money is the issue here. There's more to it,than what meets the eye. theymos, it'll take a few minutes, but its for you to address the community about the issues. And where's the new forum? Just give us the answers, and we'll shut our mouths(not really).

He's recently stated he's the only person working on coding it now so that's likely why it's taking so long and he also why he doesn't have much time to commit to admin duties here.

Don't remove everybody's signature, when people spam they are temp banned right? Don't do that, first blacklist their signatures, and if they continue to shitpost, then temp ban, then perma ban. That may or may not help. Global mods should have the ability to blacklist or whitelist signatures.

Blacklisting signatures requires theymos input unless he creates a tool for other staff or admins to use.


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