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...This hardfork seems shady for me and I don't see big future for any of these coins.
Me neither. Both coins are centralized with no purpose for the real world. They have nearly the same scalability roadmap where they'll continue to increase the block size to new heights. When compared against Bitcoin, they're less secure and resilient for everyday transactions. Despite that Bitcoin devs have been criticized by not properly scaling the cryptocurrency, I believe that they're doing a good job since they're preserving decentralization which is most important. It's easy to increase the block size to any desired level, but it could have serious risks of centralization in the long term. One needs to have in mind the interest of the people, to help maintain the cryptocurrency as decentralized and free from middleman as possible. Bitcoin SV is extremely centralized in its mining process (as the 3 major mining pools are controlled by nChain), while Bitcoin Cash is centralized by its own developers (implementing checkpoints, etc) Because of the Hash War disaster, I've decided to never get into Bitcoin Cash again. Prior to such event, I've sold all my BCH to BTC as I had the feeling that prices were going to fall across the market due to the hard fork. Many investors have become disappointed by Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin SV, which has led them back into Bitcoin (BTC) itself. Nonetheless, the future lies for Bitcoin instead of all the other useless Bitcoin forks. Just my opinion ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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January 31, 2019, 04:42:24 AM |
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Bcash is much better than SV, bcash is working towards more adoptions with on chain scaling while SV is just a scam coin.
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January 31, 2019, 04:58:50 AM |
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Between bitcoin cash and bitcoin sv, I tend to choose bitcoin cash while for bitcoin sv I don't know too much, I think bitcoin cash is developing quite well and in the future it will certainly be more widely known
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January 31, 2019, 06:55:42 AM |
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Bcash is much better than SV, bcash is working towards more adoptions with on chain scaling while SV is just a scam coin.
Nothing is better than any of them. They both are centralized and is just dividing the people who supports bitcoin. These two are just bitcoin forks. Bitcoin is bitcoin not sv, not abc.
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January 31, 2019, 07:01:50 AM |
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Recently, nChain announced that it will be forking to a new Bitcoin Cash node implementation known as Bitcoin SV (SV stands for Satoshi's Vision). This has been supported by Craig Wright (which claims to be the real Nakamoto) as he believes that it's the safest path to scaling yet. However, Bitcoin Cash devs (Bitcoin ABC) are against this new implementation of BCH, hence a split might occur in November leading to both coins with the same history of transactions (Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV). Bitcoin SV aims to scale indefinitely by allowing miners to choose their own block size, among several other improvements. Now it's believed that this will be the "real Bitcoin" just like what has been said about Bitcoin Cash before. What do you think about this controversy? Will Bitcoin Cash splinter into two distinct factions? Or will it remain the same? It looks like there would occur a split of the main BCH chain, causing Bitcoin SV to emerge. However, only one shall survive in the market (if not both or none of them). Looking forward for your thoughts ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I much prefer to choose bitcoin Cash, or rather the main line here which is bitcoin. Yes, both are upgrades of bitcoin but bitcoin is the best and many people know it that's why I believe it still has its future.
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I think this hardfork was not needed at all, the market looks terrible, and they also divided society!
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January 31, 2019, 07:11:41 AM |
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I think this hardfork was not needed at all, the market looks terrible, and they also divided society!
Yes the segwit Hardfork was not needed at all and because of it now 50 or so bitcoin forks exist.
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January 31, 2019, 07:42:20 AM |
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Both are sitcoms so I won't be supporting any, all they do is divert attention away from the real bitcoin. Hopefully both will wither away and the top ten can have real altcoins instead
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January 31, 2019, 10:57:57 PM |
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I much prefer to choose bitcoin Cash, or rather the main line here which is bitcoin. Yes, both are upgrades of bitcoin but bitcoin is the best and many people know it that's why I believe it still has its future.
Your best bet would be with Bitcoin, of course. Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV doesn't stand a chance against Bitcoin, due to their instability and high centralization. Of course, Bitcoin (BTC) may be criticized because of its slow development and different approach to scalability. But until today, it has proven itself to be a truly decentralized cryptocurrency for the world. With an increase in block size, there would be greater transaction capacity and lower fees. However, the biggest flaw of this approach is centralization as the more the block size of the blockchain, the more the requirements will be for any average Joe to run a full node (in case blocks were to become filled at their maximum). Using a second-layer solution will eliminate the risks of centralization (in contrast to a block size increase), as every operation will be separate from the main chain. Of course, it's not perfect since it has some downsides, but it’s the best thing there is towards scaling Bitcoin safely for the mainstream world. Despite this, time will tell us whenever the Lightning Network or a block size increase would be the best solution for scaling Bitcoin to the world. Just my thoughts ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Bitcoin Cash direction is uncertain at this stage. BTC, and BSV direction is clear at least two more hardforks for BTC (when backward compatibility stops and when max supply is changed) and BSV continue on Satoshis path no matter what. Golden Future ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FWcgNTFD%2Fphoto-2019-02-01-08-08-45.png&t=665&c=mo3R8-NfeSCHJA)
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February 04, 2019, 09:11:37 AM |
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Bcash is much better than SV, bcash is working towards more adoptions with on chain scaling while SV is just a scam coin.
Both are scamcoins. I wouldn't pick sides on this. One of them has Roger Ver and the other has Craig Wright as their leaders. Both of them are sociopathic liars. I can watch Craig without getting mad though. It is because while I know he is a liar I can still stand his voice. That's not the case with Roger. His voice is fucking disturbing and he has some real mental issues. Worse than Craig.
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February 04, 2019, 09:16:10 AM |
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate?
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate? Satoshi made Bitcoin. Hardforcing a hardfork is not a consensus. Blockchains have no CEO, databases like ripples xrp have archaic, hierarchical structure.
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate? Satoshi made Bitcoin. Hardforcing a hardfork is not a consensus. Where is your hashrate?
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate? Satoshi made Bitcoin. Hardforcing a hardfork is not a consensus. Where is your hashrate? Where will BTC hashrate be after next 2 hardforks?
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate? Satoshi made Bitcoin. Hardforcing a hardfork is not a consensus. Where is your hashrate? Where will BTC hashrate be after next 2 hardforks? Where is yours now?
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate? Satoshi made Bitcoin. Hardforcing a hardfork is not a consensus. Where is your hashrate? Where will BTC hashrate be after next 2 hardforks? Where is yours now? I dont have one, i am not a blockchain. BSV hashrate is currently about 40 times less than BTC. That ratio certainly will change after next two programmed BTC hardforks
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate? Satoshi made Bitcoin. Hardforcing a hardfork is not a consensus. Where is your hashrate? Where will BTC hashrate be after next 2 hardforks? Where is yours now? I dont have one. BSV is currently 40 times less than BTC. That ratio certainly will change after next two programmed BTC hardforks Might happen. Or not. This is what you are hoping. In reality you don't know. In reality BSV is just another shitcoin with no hashrate backing it up. 40 times. 40 times shittier. And when will those 2 hardforks will take place? 2 years? 20 years? When will BSV become Bitcoin? 50 years? Will you be here when BSV has less than BTC's hashrate in 100 years? No. You won't. Because you are a fucking pathetic liar.
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Regarding Hardforks Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.
That's a lie. So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN. More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate? Satoshi made Bitcoin. Hardforcing a hardfork is not a consensus. Where is your hashrate? Where will BTC hashrate be after next 2 hardforks? Where is yours now? I dont have one. BSV is currently 40 times less than BTC. That ratio certainly will change after next two programmed BTC hardforks Might happen. Or not. This is what you are hoping. In reality you don't know. In reality BSV is just another shitcoin with no hashrate backing it up. 40 times. 40 times shittier. And when will those 2 hardforks will take place? 2 years? 20 years? When will BSV become Bitcoin? 50 years? Will you be here when BSV has less than BTC's hashrate in 100 years? No. You won't. Because you are a fucking pathetic liar. Noone knows the future. BSV is Bitcoin without segwit or lightning the way Satoshi made it. When the backward compatibly hardfork is in place which one will be your "Bitcoin" the segwit (lightning) or the Legacy fork? Can you point to a lie, i have legit opinions.
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