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i found this article so i want to share it here:Every Bitcoin address is based on a secret key, from which the public key (associated to a Bitcoin address) is calculated. Once you have the private key for an address, you have the control of that address and can use it to transfer funds.
This secret key is a 32-bytes unsigned integer. You can generate a lot of secret keys, calculate the public keys associated to them and see if they contain bitcoins. If it’s the case, you can transfer the money to an address you control, because you have the secret key.
Such an attack is completely infeasible, because the private key space is really, really huge. There are 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936 secret keys available (1077).
Oh, and they are all listed on directory.io ! Of course, this website is kind of a joke, and all is calculated on the fly when you request a specific page. It also shows the danger of entering your secret key on an unknown website, for example to see if it was compromised...
However, we can bruteforce only a tiny fraction of this space, concentrating on secret keys with some distinctive features. This is what I will explain. Private keys are numbers...
So, why not try really tiny numbers ?
I have made a script that tries every secret key, counting from 1. After some seconds, I found dozens of already used addresses, with private key smaller than 100 000 !
In particular, the 1EHNa6Q4Jz2uvNExL497mE43ikXhwF6kZm address (corresponding to the private key 1) was already used quite a lot, as 4 bitcoins already flowed through it. Brainwallet
Brainwallet is a website that allow people to create private keys from a passphrase. It calculates the private key from the sha256 of the passphrase.
By using a password dictionary, we can search for private keys corresponding to classic password that were already used. A search allowed me to find nearly 10 000 addresses that have contained Bitcoins at some point in time ! I was never able to find any address containing money, and nearly every time they had contained only really small amounts of money, but here is an interesting sample :
asd - 1G4Mt5JLtrdj4hM6MkyaQpHmZzVoojLFX3 cat - 162TRPRZvdgLVNksMoMyGJsYBfYtB4Q8tM hello - 1HoSFymoqteYrmmr7s3jDDqmggoxacbk37 password - 16ga2uqnF1NqpAuQeeg7sTCAdtDUwDyJav test - 1HKqKTMpBTZZ8H5zcqYEWYBaaWELrDEXeE fuckyou - 1LdgTMX2MEqdfT3VcDpX4GyD1mqCP8LkYe 1 - 12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ icecream - 1CwjHYsPUc4Du8dx7AkdBJj4ebWC8bxkF3 alfanumerico - 19JsLFDRxuTsAjapE79FgoVNdNdB2hNU5M [empty string] - 1HZwkjkeaoZfTSaJxDw6aKkxp45agDiEzN correct horse battery staple - 1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T
If we look at the history of transactions on these addresses we can see that in a lot of cases, a few seconds after money was deposed in them, it was withdrew to another account.
In particular, it was often sent to one of these accounts :
1brain7kAZxPagLt2HRLxqyc3VgGSa1GR 15LPodNPGv5qsKPc4PUfyeJKdDReWjCknS 1mineraceNChe36ftTXU5Y8EvypyM3iu8
We can see that the first address already stole 0.36 Bitcoins, 2 seconds after they were transferred to the address corresponding to the key « alfanumerico » ! This address seems to contain more than 1 Bitcoin, probably stolen all automatically... Notice that the address starts with « brain », maybe it could have something to do with Brainwallet, no ?
Another interesting fact, the second address stole very tiny amounts of money from classical addresses, and we can even see that a comment was left about one of these transactions :
Stop taking this dust! You must wait until there is more sent to complex ones! Set the trap...
A Bitcoin theft that left a comment to another, advising him to stop stealing tiny amounts of money and wait for bigger amount on more difficult addresses... Technical considerations
To bruteforce Bitcoins like that, you need to find the address associated to a private key, as fast as possible. But, you will also need to know if each of the address was already used in a transaction.
For that, you will need to iterate trough the entire blockchain. You can then fill a Bloom filter with every address seen in it. Once it is built, you will be able to know if an address was used in the network with a really small lookup time.
As we have seen, it seems that some people even built a gigantic database, mapping from “classic” addresses to their associated private keys. They seems to be able to steal money only seconds after it was deposited... Conclusion
Well, it seems that there is money to make, and here is the proof that some people are already on it...
This also demonstrate that you can use a service like Brainwallet, but you need to choose a really strong passphrase, that will resist bruteforce. If any computer or any other human can think of it, you are doomed !
Instead of attacking every potential transaction that used a weak private key, it’s also possible to focus on weak random number generators, or implementation problems in ECDSA. This is also a reality, and you can check out this blog post for more.
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September 02, 2018, 02:16:21 AM |
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This secret key is a 32-bytes unsigned integer. You can generate a lot of secret keys, calculate the public keys associated to them and see if they contain bitcoins. If it’s the case, you can transfer the money to an address you control, because you have the secret key.
LOL, and good luck with that. Oh, and they are all listed on directory.io !
WRONG. the second part after this is correct, they are generated on the fly. there is no listing. in other words it is like saying the numbers from 1 to FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364140 are listed on a website! So, why not try really tiny numbers ?
I have made a script that tries every secret key, counting from 1. After some seconds, I found dozens of already used addresses, with private key smaller than 100 000 !
any coins that used to be in these addresses (using low numbers like 1, 2, 4,.... powers of 2 or brain wallets with known passwords, private key used on bitcoin wiki, vanity address 1boat... and a lot more) were put there intentionally. and rarely by someone making a mistake. for instance what happened in 2015 was that a group of people started spam attacking bitcoin and called it Stress Test. they started putting money in these known keys so that people watching those start spending them and flood the mempool. they even released thousands of private keys where they placed small amounts such as 10k satoshi for the same purpose. when you try these addresses and see them used, it is not a real wallet or funds of a real user in there. and you are not "stealing bitcoin" you would be wasting your time. P.S. DO NOT DOWNLOAD any scripts given by articles like this or you will lose your coins ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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September 02, 2018, 03:03:52 AM |
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i found this article so i want to share it here:Every Bitcoin address is based on a secret key, from which the public key (associated to a Bitcoin address) is calculated. Once you have the private key for an address, you have the control of that address and can use it to transfer funds.
This secret key is a 32-bytes unsigned integer. You can generate a lot of secret keys, calculate the public keys associated to them and see if they contain bitcoins. If it’s the case, you can transfer the money to an address you control, because you have the secret key.
Such an attack is completely infeasible, because the private key space is really, really huge. There are 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936 secret keys available (1077).
Oh, and they are all listed on directory.io ! Of course, this website is kind of a joke, and all is calculated on the fly when you request a specific page. It also shows the danger of entering your secret key on an unknown website, for example to see if it was compromised...
However, we can bruteforce only a tiny fraction of this space, concentrating on secret keys with some distinctive features. This is what I will explain. Private keys are numbers...
So, why not try really tiny numbers ?
I have made a script that tries every secret key, counting from 1. After some seconds, I found dozens of already used addresses, with private key smaller than 100 000 !
In particular, the 1EHNa6Q4Jz2uvNExL497mE43ikXhwF6kZm address (corresponding to the private key 1) was already used quite a lot, as 4 bitcoins already flowed through it. Brainwallet
Brainwallet is a website that allow people to create private keys from a passphrase. It calculates the private key from the sha256 of the passphrase.
By using a password dictionary, we can search for private keys corresponding to classic password that were already used. A search allowed me to find nearly 10 000 addresses that have contained Bitcoins at some point in time ! I was never able to find any address containing money, and nearly every time they had contained only really small amounts of money, but here is an interesting sample :
asd - 1G4Mt5JLtrdj4hM6MkyaQpHmZzVoojLFX3 cat - 162TRPRZvdgLVNksMoMyGJsYBfYtB4Q8tM hello - 1HoSFymoqteYrmmr7s3jDDqmggoxacbk37 password - 16ga2uqnF1NqpAuQeeg7sTCAdtDUwDyJav test - 1HKqKTMpBTZZ8H5zcqYEWYBaaWELrDEXeE fuckyou - 1LdgTMX2MEqdfT3VcDpX4GyD1mqCP8LkYe 1 - 12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ icecream - 1CwjHYsPUc4Du8dx7AkdBJj4ebWC8bxkF3 alfanumerico - 19JsLFDRxuTsAjapE79FgoVNdNdB2hNU5M [empty string] - 1HZwkjkeaoZfTSaJxDw6aKkxp45agDiEzN correct horse battery staple - 1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T
If we look at the history of transactions on these addresses we can see that in a lot of cases, a few seconds after money was deposed in them, it was withdrew to another account.
In particular, it was often sent to one of these accounts :
1brain7kAZxPagLt2HRLxqyc3VgGSa1GR 15LPodNPGv5qsKPc4PUfyeJKdDReWjCknS 1mineraceNChe36ftTXU5Y8EvypyM3iu8
We can see that the first address already stole 0.36 Bitcoins, 2 seconds after they were transferred to the address corresponding to the key « alfanumerico » ! This address seems to contain more than 1 Bitcoin, probably stolen all automatically... Notice that the address starts with « brain », maybe it could have something to do with Brainwallet, no ?
Another interesting fact, the second address stole very tiny amounts of money from classical addresses, and we can even see that a comment was left about one of these transactions :
Stop taking this dust! You must wait until there is more sent to complex ones! Set the trap...
A Bitcoin theft that left a comment to another, advising him to stop stealing tiny amounts of money and wait for bigger amount on more difficult addresses... Technical considerations
To bruteforce Bitcoins like that, you need to find the address associated to a private key, as fast as possible. But, you will also need to know if each of the address was already used in a transaction.
For that, you will need to iterate trough the entire blockchain. You can then fill a Bloom filter with every address seen in it. Once it is built, you will be able to know if an address was used in the network with a really small lookup time.
As we have seen, it seems that some people even built a gigantic database, mapping from “classic” addresses to their associated private keys. They seems to be able to steal money only seconds after it was deposited... Conclusion
Well, it seems that there is money to make, and here is the proof that some people are already on it...
This also demonstrate that you can use a service like Brainwallet, but you need to choose a really strong passphrase, that will resist bruteforce. If any computer or any other human can think of it, you are doomed !
Instead of attacking every potential transaction that used a weak private key, it’s also possible to focus on weak random number generators, or implementation problems in ECDSA. This is also a reality, and you can check out this blog post for more.
wow, as a beginner I just found out bitcoin can be stolen
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September 02, 2018, 10:27:52 AM |
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i found this article so i want to share it here:Every Bitcoin address is based on a secret key, from which the public key (associated to a Bitcoin address) is calculated. Once you have the private key for an address, you have the control of that address and can use it to transfer funds.
This secret key is a 32-bytes unsigned integer. You can generate a lot of secret keys, calculate the public keys associated to them and see if they contain bitcoins. If it’s the case, you can transfer the money to an address you control, because you have the secret key.
Such an attack is completely infeasible, because the private key space is really, really huge. There are 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936 secret keys available (1077).
Oh, and they are all listed on directory.io ! Of course, this website is kind of a joke, and all is calculated on the fly when you request a specific page. It also shows the danger of entering your secret key on an unknown website, for example to see if it was compromised...
However, we can bruteforce only a tiny fraction of this space, concentrating on secret keys with some distinctive features. This is what I will explain. Private keys are numbers...
So, why not try really tiny numbers ?
I have made a script that tries every secret key, counting from 1. After some seconds, I found dozens of already used addresses, with private key smaller than 100 000 !
In particular, the 1EHNa6Q4Jz2uvNExL497mE43ikXhwF6kZm address (corresponding to the private key 1) was already used quite a lot, as 4 bitcoins already flowed through it. Brainwallet
Brainwallet is a website that allow people to create private keys from a passphrase. It calculates the private key from the sha256 of the passphrase.
By using a password dictionary, we can search for private keys corresponding to classic password that were already used. A search allowed me to find nearly 10 000 addresses that have contained Bitcoins at some point in time ! I was never able to find any address containing money, and nearly every time they had contained only really small amounts of money, but here is an interesting sample :
asd - 1G4Mt5JLtrdj4hM6MkyaQpHmZzVoojLFX3 cat - 162TRPRZvdgLVNksMoMyGJsYBfYtB4Q8tM hello - 1HoSFymoqteYrmmr7s3jDDqmggoxacbk37 password - 16ga2uqnF1NqpAuQeeg7sTCAdtDUwDyJav test - 1HKqKTMpBTZZ8H5zcqYEWYBaaWELrDEXeE fuckyou - 1LdgTMX2MEqdfT3VcDpX4GyD1mqCP8LkYe 1 - 12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ icecream - 1CwjHYsPUc4Du8dx7AkdBJj4ebWC8bxkF3 alfanumerico - 19JsLFDRxuTsAjapE79FgoVNdNdB2hNU5M [empty string] - 1HZwkjkeaoZfTSaJxDw6aKkxp45agDiEzN correct horse battery staple - 1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T
If we look at the history of transactions on these addresses we can see that in a lot of cases, a few seconds after money was deposed in them, it was withdrew to another account.
In particular, it was often sent to one of these accounts :
1brain7kAZxPagLt2HRLxqyc3VgGSa1GR 15LPodNPGv5qsKPc4PUfyeJKdDReWjCknS 1mineraceNChe36ftTXU5Y8EvypyM3iu8
We can see that the first address already stole 0.36 Bitcoins, 2 seconds after they were transferred to the address corresponding to the key « alfanumerico » ! This address seems to contain more than 1 Bitcoin, probably stolen all automatically... Notice that the address starts with « brain », maybe it could have something to do with Brainwallet, no ?
Another interesting fact, the second address stole very tiny amounts of money from classical addresses, and we can even see that a comment was left about one of these transactions :
Stop taking this dust! You must wait until there is more sent to complex ones! Set the trap...
A Bitcoin theft that left a comment to another, advising him to stop stealing tiny amounts of money and wait for bigger amount on more difficult addresses... Technical considerations
To bruteforce Bitcoins like that, you need to find the address associated to a private key, as fast as possible. But, you will also need to know if each of the address was already used in a transaction.
For that, you will need to iterate trough the entire blockchain. You can then fill a Bloom filter with every address seen in it. Once it is built, you will be able to know if an address was used in the network with a really small lookup time.
As we have seen, it seems that some people even built a gigantic database, mapping from “classic” addresses to their associated private keys. They seems to be able to steal money only seconds after it was deposited... Conclusion
Well, it seems that there is money to make, and here is the proof that some people are already on it...
This also demonstrate that you can use a service like Brainwallet, but you need to choose a really strong passphrase, that will resist bruteforce. If any computer or any other human can think of it, you are doomed !
Instead of attacking every potential transaction that used a weak private key, it’s also possible to focus on weak random number generators, or implementation problems in ECDSA. This is also a reality, and you can check out this blog post for more.
wow, as a beginner I just found out bitcoin can be stolen These attempts are not accurate From my point of view, it is impossible to hack or steal bitcoin
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Given enough computing power, and i'm talking supercomputers here, it would probably be possible by brute force hack private and public keys and match them-however i very much doubt it would be worth the effort or cost.
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September 02, 2018, 11:08:56 PM |
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Given enough computing power, and i'm talking supercomputers here, it would probably be possible by brute force hack private and public keys and match them-however i very much doubt it would be worth the effort or cost.
it would be worth the effort or cost. real?? Do you think it can be done? If you do this, bitcoin will be died . Because anyone will be able to find out the key to your address Thus you will not be safe
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September 02, 2018, 11:30:23 PM |
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I doubt the article, the brain wallet part is true but that's why brain wallets have went out of style they were dumb and the weakest way to generate a wallet.
brain wallet is Very easy to guess
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