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March 08, 2014, 08:49:47 AM |
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Putin is 5" 5 - he would have had no chance of being a US president - the average US president is 6"1 WTF Putin is 5' 7". He looks much taller on television and in photos though
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March 08, 2014, 10:43:49 AM |
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Putin is 5" 5 - he would have had no chance of being a US president - the average US president is 6"1 WTF Putin is 5' 7". He looks much taller on television and in photos though Check this:
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March 08, 2014, 11:35:02 AM |
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I believe Putin is using it as scare tacit. He does not want to see his personal wealth vanish like vaporware. He would cause economic disaster if he did that. Its more words than action Is worth tanking all the economies around the world and your personal wealth for ukraine. Russia already controls most of it anyways. I just believe the smart action that Russia should do if they really want the Ukraine is what the US has been doing, economic sanctions. Not rolling in tanks and troops. It looks like your war monger.
Even the Chinese the closest Russian Ally is bit weary about the position. Let say Russia does roll in with guns and troops in Ukraine and takes it over completely. It would piss off so many countries who have a vested interested in Ukraine. Now the contracts that they made are invalid.
Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.
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March 08, 2014, 08:17:44 PM |
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I believe Putin is using it as scare tacit. He does not want to see his personal wealth vanish like vaporware. He would cause economic disaster if he did that. Its more words than action Is worth tanking all the economies around the world and your personal wealth for ukraine. Russia already controls most of it anyways. I just believe the smart action that Russia should do if they really want the Ukraine is what the US has been doing, economic sanctions. Not rolling in tanks and troops. It looks like your war monger.
Even the Chinese the closest Russian Ally is bit weary about the position. Let say Russia does roll in with guns and troops in Ukraine and takes it over completely. It would piss off so many countries who have a vested interested in Ukraine. Now the contracts that they made are invalid.
Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.
China is like Apple and owns a lot of cash. China also owns a lot of countries' debts like the US. China is a the manufacturing engine of the world. China needs oil and gas. Russia has both. Russia and China are loving each other's political status quo.
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Qtera
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March 08, 2014, 10:49:29 PM |
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Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.
Yeah. It really sounds more like bluffing to me.
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March 08, 2014, 11:20:05 PM |
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Putin is 5' 7".
Maybe - but he talks like he's 6'3"
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March 09, 2014, 12:42:15 AM |
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Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.
Yeah. It really sounds more like bluffing to me. In a game of chess you can't bluff. Crimea is an autonomous region, if they vote to join Russia, they rejoin Russia.(Or is a CIA funded coup more legitimate then a referendum?) Personally I don't think that shit will hit the fan over this. The risk simply outweighs the reward.
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March 09, 2014, 01:26:21 AM |
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Russia imports a lot of its food. So to see it cutting it ties with a lot of countries over the Ukraine. Is not a smart idea.
Yeah. It really sounds more like bluffing to me. In a game of chess you can't bluff. Crimea is an autonomous region, if they vote to join Russia, they rejoin Russia.(Or is a CIA funded coup more legitimate then a referendum?) Personally I don't think that shit will hit the fan over this. The risk simply outweighs the reward. "Distribution of costs and benefits deals with the outcomes of games. This leads to players bluffing in order to gain their desired outcome. There are two types of bluffing: cheap and costly. A cheap bluff is a bluff that costs the player nothing, such as rhetoric or hinted threats in official communiques. A costly bluff, which is more likely to be noticed by the other player or players, could be the mobilization of military forces or missile tests. The more costly the bluff, the more likely the other players will believe it." Source: Advanced Analytic Techniques (8th April 2013). "Applications of Game Theory in Support of Intelligence Analysis". Blog. Online in http://advat.blogspot.com/2013/04/applications-of-game-theory-in-support.htmlArticle 134. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea shall be an integral constituent part of Ukraine and shall resolve issues relegated to its authority within the frame of its reference, determined by the Constitution of Ukraine. Source: Constitution of Ukraine - Title X. "The Autonomous Republic of Crimea Ukraine Government. Online in http://www.president.gov.ua/en/content/chapter10.htmlWhere is your source of a CIA funded coup? Pravda? Syrian Free Press? Putin's mouth? Then, who are here taking those risks of such a bold statement made by Putin's adviser?
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bryant.coleman
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March 09, 2014, 02:15:32 AM |
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In a game of chess you can't bluff. Crimea is an autonomous region, if they vote to join Russia, they rejoin Russia.(Or is a CIA funded coup more legitimate then a referendum?)
Personally I don't think that shit will hit the fan over this. The risk simply outweighs the reward.
Every Ukrainian province should hold referendums.
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March 09, 2014, 02:04:58 PM |
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I found out from my Ukrainian friend that the reason the Chinese are investing in Ukraine is there a special type of rich fertile soil that you need to grow food crops with and Ukraine is only one in the region that has it.
I highly doubt that Russians will make a move. Once you cut off raw materials like for growing food crops. No country will allow you to do it. I believe if the Russians do invade. The Chinese will stop them because no country wants another country owning something so vital and important. The very least will strain there relationship which will never be good.
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March 09, 2014, 02:48:50 PM |
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I found out from my Ukrainian friend that the reason the Chinese are investing in Ukraine is there a special type of rich fertile soil that you need to grow food crops with and Ukraine is only one in the region that has it.
I highly doubt that Russians will make a move. Once you cut off raw materials like for growing food crops. No country will allow you to do it. I believe if the Russians do invade. The Chinese will stop them because no country wants another country owning something so vital and important. The very least will strain there relationship which will never be good.
I don't know about special soil but I have read that Ukraine has the best soil and climate for agriculture. (I believe it was 13-15 meters deep, dark soil and a nice constant climate) The Chinese support Russia: for Russia, it is not about gas/oil/agriculture, though getting more of those is a nice bonus.
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Qtera
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March 09, 2014, 07:12:46 PM |
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I'm not denying US did things like this in the past. But in the case of Ukraine, I don't see enough conclusive evidence of that yet, more than Russians and pro-Russians pointing fingers to USA. In this regard, only time will tell, I guess.
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March 09, 2014, 08:21:59 PM |
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$200 billion is not a lot of money for a country. Its a couple of months of US deficit spending. If Russia really does "dump" them, there will not be a lack of buyers.
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March 09, 2014, 09:12:39 PM |
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I'm not denying US did things like this in the past. But in the case of Ukraine, I don't see enough conclusive evidence of that yet, more than Russians and pro-Russians pointing fingers to USA. In this regard, only time will tell, I guess. I assume you looked up the NED, and have seen that they have been rather active funding..democracy'' in the Ukraine? I also assume you have seen the leaked conversation from Victoria Nuland http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-08/angela-merkel-furious-nulands-fuck-eu-commentseither way I am done here, have a nice day.
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Qtera
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March 10, 2014, 12:38:25 AM |
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I assume you looked up the NED, and have seen that they have been rather active funding..democracy'' in the Ukraine? I also assume you have seen the leaked conversation from Victoria Nuland http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-08/angela-merkel-furious-nulands-fuck-eu-commentseither way I am done here, have a nice day. [/quote] You assumed well. I even heard the leaked conversation too. It was broadly broadcast in the western world. But for me it's just jumping to conclusions too early. We need more information to conclude such statements. Have a nice day too
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March 10, 2014, 03:31:01 AM Last edit: April 11, 2014, 10:04:46 AM by Balthazar |
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Well, that would be a happy end for our community but I doubt Putin will except Bitcoin. It is illegal in Russia and seems to be illegal for a long time
Yes. The whole community knows the about Russia "banning" bitcoin. This only means that a big part of the community suffers from lack of intelligence... Otherwise they would be smart enough to find some related information... Instead of repeating what somebody said in order to dump btc/usd rate.. Letter from CB says almost the same that central banks of Thailand, Germany, France, etc have recommended. No bans, no jails, no prosecutions. Surprise! http://clip2net.com/s/6WAQWfhttp://btcsec.com/cbr_about_bitcoin/Use google translate if you wish.
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