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September 11, 2018, 11:57:10 AM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

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September 11, 2018, 12:14:54 PM
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I don't think that's the main driver as to why there aren't any new people hopping in on the crypto train: the feud has been going on since forever though I know for a fact that newcomers are not exposed to that certain drama. They are all aware of the volatility of the coin and that's what's keeping them from investing and committing wholeheartedly to either of the crypto. If anything, this drama between BCH and BTC supporters are raising sensible questions aside from all the junk and mud that has been thrown, so there's still some good out of it if you look on the brighter side.

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September 11, 2018, 12:55:17 PM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

You must remember how bitcoin cash born... There was a group of guys who say 'We have solutions for bitcoin, we can make bigger blocks and we can have a more efficient mining engine...' So bitcoin devs say, Your ideas are a wast of time, leave the big guy work and you go back to play with your kids toys. Next step was the fork, BCH devs say, if you don't wan't to make those changes, no problem we will fork bitcoin and have a version of it running with our changes, that will prof to the world our version was better. And that was were the real fight start. They have reasons to hate each other and that will not change, is like Pepsi vs Coca cola, don't wait them to be friends.

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This is a middle-ground fallacy, a false argument that both sides are equal and must compromise. In reality on side is right and the other is wrong. Bcash is an attack on Bitcoin, the coin is centralized and the powers behind it want to completely control Bitcoin. Exposing them is a good thing for crypto community as a whole, it shows that decentralization is the main value of any cryptocurrency, and that it can be attacked from the inside of community. If you are painting Bitcoin and Bcash as equals, you are not only eroding the core principles of cryptocurrency, but also making people risk their money if they'll consider using Bcash, as this coin has no future.

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September 11, 2018, 01:54:47 PM
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This is a middle-ground fallacy, a false argument that both sides are equal and must compromise. In reality on side is right and the other is wrong. Bcash is an attack on Bitcoin, the coin is centralized and the powers behind it want to completely control Bitcoin. Exposing them is a good thing for crypto community as a whole, it shows that decentralization is the main value of any cryptocurrency, and that it can be attacked from the inside of community. If you are painting Bitcoin and Bcash as equals, you are not only eroding the core principles of cryptocurrency, but also making people risk their money if they'll consider using Bcash, as this coin has no future.
Actually i wished to mention all the cryptocoins altogether and not specifically BTC and BCH as I too know what roger ver the bitcoin antichrist has tried to do in the past.

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September 11, 2018, 02:23:03 PM
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BCH were foolish in the past when they attacked Bitcoin's vulnerability to try and steal market share. What Ver neglected to realise is that in harming bitcoin they also harm bitcoin cash because bitcoin leads the direction of the whole cryptocurrency market.

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September 11, 2018, 02:59:30 PM
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To be honest, I don't believe that such fight could affect the growth of crypto industry in the long run. Yes, it might create turbulence in the short term but there is no reason for the crypto industry to shrink just because of it. There is a lack of awareness among the users but the situation will improve down the road resulting in a matured decisions from them.
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September 11, 2018, 03:14:49 PM
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Is it a still a thing? I mean those fight. I can't believe communities still fighting over saying which is the best while there is a fact that shown BCH does not solve the core issue.

The mainstream will not be getting away from communities because of it, instead, they will if the UX design problem isn't improved. And also the BCH shill that scamming newcomers about self-proclaimed BCH is the real Bitcoin.
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September 11, 2018, 03:19:32 PM
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The fighting isn't affecting public perception of cryptocurrency at all because no one knows about it. Unless you're heavily involved in the crypto world you probably don't even know that there is a fight at all. I'm sure there are plenty of people who own Bitcoin that have no idea about the fight itself. You're overestimating the impact of the rivalry on the perception of cryptocurrency.

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Nah. Let them be. Competition is very good in this ecosystem for both sides(and other coins/tokens) to step up their game. Though I really don't like the name calling and the misinformation on both sides(Roger Ver FU meme and bitcoin.com listing BTC as bitcoin core which is not factual regardless if you're for big blocks or small blocks). May the best coin(s) win.

BCH were foolish in the past when they attacked Bitcoin's vulnerability to try and steal market share. What Ver neglected to realise is that in harming bitcoin they also harm bitcoin cash because bitcoin leads the direction of the whole cryptocurrency market.
Can you be specific on what "vulnerability" you're talking about that BCH "attacked"?

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September 11, 2018, 03:34:14 PM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

Isn't this a bit like saying that people won't use computers because of the rivalry between Apple and Microsoft?

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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

Isn't this a bit like saying that people won't use computers because of the rivalry between Apple and Microsoft?

Pretty much, minus the trashtalking from both sides' communities. Just like with Apple and Microsoft, I assume people are just going to use which coins(even outside of BTC and BCH) they want and which they think works better.

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September 11, 2018, 04:15:59 PM
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I don't think that there is much of a fight, Bitcoin Cash is pretty much a dead horse that is somehow still running. I don't think that this fight has any effect whatsoever on the global market as a whole, this is just a small localized thing that only a select few people are involved in, probably less than 500 people in total in fact. BCH will die soon, just like the other forks.

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September 11, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
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This is a clear case of an unhealthy rivalry among people in the same cryptocurrency space. It is not out of place to promote your product to the extent of mentioning the advantages it has over other similar product but when you now have to mention your competitors in this case, you will be doing more damage than good.
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September 11, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

Isn't this a bit like saying that people won't use computers because of the rivalry between Apple and Microsoft?

Pretty much, minus the trashtalking from both sides' communities.

There was a lot of trash talking in the communities in the 80s and 90s but things weren't as public as they are now because of the internet/social media...but if those things existed back then you'd see a lot of trash talking between Apple and Microsoft fans.

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September 11, 2018, 06:10:24 PM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

Isn't this a bit like saying that people won't use computers because of the rivalry between Apple and Microsoft?

Pretty much, minus the trashtalking from both sides' communities.

There was a lot of trash talking in the communities in the 80s and 90s but things weren't as public as they are now because of the internet/social media...but if those things existed back then you'd see a lot of trash talking between Apple and Microsoft fans.

This makes me uneasy because I used to be a Microsoft guy and now I'm an Apple guy...man I hope I never become a BCH guy...

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September 11, 2018, 06:33:35 PM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

I agree with you that this so called fights doesn't bring good impressions to potential investors. But I don't see its the main reason for driving them away. Both side has its strong strengths and disadvantages, but we all know who got the traction and support of the community.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

When big money is involved, everyone will fight to get the big slice of the pie. At the end, its still up for us who will going to get our support. I think the obvious answer is the real Bitcoin and not the fork or altcoin.

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September 11, 2018, 09:15:42 PM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

it's inevitable. there's a lot of greed involved in investment, and particularly in crypto because huge gains and losses can happen so fast, and because people mistakenly think bitcoin/altcoin markets are zero sum---not true. altcoin markets are a boon for BTC because they suck up lots of bitcoin supply.

lots of people try to act like their shit talking is out of altruism ("it's for the newbs! they're gonna get scammed!") but it's mostly just sour grapes and greed. i've experienced it myself too many times to believe otherwise. when you get down to it, people be like "if they weren't putting that money into shitcoins instead of bitcoin, bitcoin would be so much higher!" hahaha. it's all about greed. i got into it for a while in 2016 when ETH was starting to make waves. "who are these idiots buying this non-scaling scam coin?! ETH is total shit for x, y and z reasons! look at the fundamentals you stupid newb shitcoiners!"

now, i have no interest in that bullshit. what a waste of time and energy. it's too obvious to me now that altcoins aren't going anywhere, and that the next altcoin pump season is just a matter of time. that includes bcash. even if you believe you're helping newbs by constantly talking shit about altcoins, it's totally futile. the human propensity for greed is far greater than anything you could ever say. IMO, just let the markets be. no point getting angry over altcoins. when it comes to bcash, just take the high road.......

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September 11, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
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We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

You must remember how bitcoin cash born... There was a group of guys who say 'We have solutions for bitcoin, we can make bigger blocks and we can have a more efficient mining engine...' So bitcoin devs say, Your ideas are a wast of time, leave the big guy work and you go back to play with your kids toys. Next step was the fork, BCH devs say, if you don't wan't to make those changes, no problem we will fork bitcoin and have a version of it running with our changes, that will prof to the world our version was better. And that was were the real fight start. They have reasons to hate each other and that will not change, is like Pepsi vs Coca cola, don't wait them to be friends.
Pepsi vs Coca You -  a good comparison. In fact, arguing about which coin is better is a big waste of time and effort. Both coins are good and I think they are different.
Bitcoin as it seems to me is no longer a coin, but a speculative asset, which has become something that can benefit from storage. Asset or currency, it doesn't matter. Bitcoin is bad for regular payments. It was all very long with him.
Bitcoin cash is a coin that can really be used as a means of regular payment. But all coins in the entire history price up have not seen. This is the difference from bitcoin. But paying online with this coin is the best way.
So friends be patient and do not swear.
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September 11, 2018, 11:11:57 PM
Last edit: September 11, 2018, 11:57:55 PM by franky1
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the drama is drama

its all a distraction to take peoples view away from the development struggles on the core network.
craig wright is a scammer
roger ver is not a code
both are not coding in the bitcoin core team..

so in reality.. they can dance around in twinkling ballet outfits with glitter makeup on.. it wont affect bitcoin.. so why even fear/scream/mention/dramatise them...

if you actually follow the money. they are actually deep inside the pockets of the team that envisioned and created the core road map...2015

anyway lets go into a coder that is inside the core team that has more questionable thoughts.

we have cores Luke JR attacking bitcoin cores network by saying it cant scale.
translation.. the blockchain invention is broke and wont innovate

we have him also helping with the UASF to show that consensus technology is also broke
first by saying that consensus broken because something can be slid in without a hard fork.
translation if segwit didnt need consensus or a hard fork. it would have got its place by december 2016

and then by mid spring 2017 that a hard fork doesnt need community consensus
translation his buddies managed to threat and fear the community to adopt a 35% voted segwit codebase. which without the mandatory threats and gameplay would not have got accepted by the deadline
yep he proved consensus can be bypassed.. although needed a hard fork to do it. but tried calling it a soft fork to sway the sheep to sleep about his hypocrisy

luke also helps attack bitcoin core by moderating proposals to stop random people from proposing code changes.
translation. proving its not open, proving its not random users able to add their part
thus keeping bitcoin core on the roadmap that the barry silbert portfolio really want.

yea barry silbert faked a segwit x2. but thats just another way to push the roadmap to commercialisation

but while actual changes are happening to the protocol to change it into something for commercial benefit.. all you will hear is drama about a hand full of guys not even coding core. thus not affecting core.. but hey.. look look ver craig don this. look at them ignore core devs actions look at ver. please sheep look at ver (note sarcasm)

now for the serious message. stop looking at the drama distraction and concentrate vet, review and hold those that can change core to account.

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