Fight between BTC and BCH communities drive away people from cryptos itself.

[Coin-1]

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

You must remember how bitcoin cash born... There was a group of guys who say 'We have solutions for bitcoin, we can make bigger blocks and we can have a more efficient mining engine...' So bitcoin devs say, Your ideas are a wast of time, leave the big guy work and you go back to play with your kids toys. Next step was the fork, BCH devs say, if you don't wan't to make those changes, no problem we will fork bitcoin and have a version of it running with our changes, that will prof to the world our version was better. And that was were the real fight start. They have reasons to hate each other and that will not change, is like Pepsi vs Coca cola, don't wait them to be friends.

Of course, these crypto currencies won't be friends, but I think that the OP urges communities not to smear each other. It should be noted that Bitcoin Cash has been forked, because its developers didn't want to introduce the SegWit technology into the blockchain. That's why they call BCH as "Bitcoin" and BTC as "Bitcoin Core". I'm sure that both these crypto currencies will not disappear and their communities will continue to wage a financial "war".

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[mk4]

now for the serious message. stop looking at the drama distraction and concentrate vet, review and hold those that can change core to account.

Yeah this, I wish the community of both sides(not only BCH) would just stop throwing tantrums at each other and actually focus all their attention on development and doing something that could benefit the ecosystem instead. Some of the people on Reddit r/bitcoin and r/btc and Twitter are just something else.

[pooya87]

people who aren't already in the community are rarely going to see the drama and the FUD spread by BCH guys about bitcoin. they have to stumble upon these things by accident because it is definitely not the first thing you see when searching about bitcoin. it might have been the case about 13 months ago when Ver wanted to take control of bitcoin but ended up making BCH but it is not so much these days.

[Wayan_Pedjeng]

We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

If someone is pointing out the demerits and deficiencies of any of the crypto-currency, then what is the need to take it negatively? None of the crypto-coins are 100% perfect. We need to learn from the critics and then take care of any shortcomings.

[xbossJ]

The fight between BTC and BCH communities, isn't driving away anyone from crypto itself! A fork regardless of how perfect is still perceived by many as an inferior and its the reason BCH community isn't happy! Most people who hold BCH now are those who bought cheap during its days at $100 and want to see it at $10000 overnight! BCH is only surving on the successes of $Bitcoin and regardless of what its community thinks, if you take the $Bitcoin off the "Cash" then its dead. $Bitcoin is being rewarded with popularity because of its fight over the years, getting up after every major fall is why people trust it! I love BCH too, but people need to understand that a 10 year journey gives you room for more experience than a one year journey! That's why BCH has to slow things down a bit, because its an altcoin that is only 9 months old. with all the features it has got, we might one day  make it top; but that would be when BTC retires.

[franky1]

people who aren't already in the community are rarely going to see the drama and the FUD spread by BCH guys about bitcoin. they have to stumble upon these things by accident because it is definitely not the first thing you see when searching about bitcoin. it might have been the case about 13 months ago when Ver wanted to take control of bitcoin but ended up making BCH but it is not so much these days.

the core people and cash people are both the same family..
its all drama
even those defending core devs are guilty of causing drama
look at your own words "ver wanting to take control of bitcoin".. thats you causing drama
wheres your unbiased side of core taking control. you do know that it has ONLY BEEN CORE side that has demanded and performed a mandatory 'upgrade to our code or else' event

but i also find it funny whenever i mention cores flaws people think i must be in ver camp.
sorry i dont play that game.

i called out craig wright on his scams, fraud and other bad practices.
i called out on vers issues too.

but dare i call out cores flaws... OMG thats sacrilegious
CORE actually code the core network. we need to hold them to account. other teams on other networks dont impact cores network. ver and craig dont even hands on code BCH. so they have less actual impact on the cash economy.. and by that standard as the networks are separate, even less impact on the core network

to me they are just ballerina's used for distraction and target practice to deflect people from seeing who is changing bitcoin core network for the worse

[pooya87]

ver and craig dont even hands on code BCH. so they have less actual impact on the cash economy.. and by that standard as the networks are separate, even less impact on the core network

CSW is creating his very own coin and he is actually involved in the process as we speak and he has been involved with BCH too and had actual impact. as for Ver, since you love example so much, for example if you pay an assassin to assassinate someone you can't say your hands are clean because you never touched a gun. Ver funded creation of BCH and not to mention the 24/7 propaganda machine that he runs.
oh and by the way it DOES have effect on bitcoin network. or have you forgotten the way EDA worked by creating a huge incentive for miners to switch (1000+ block/day or 12,500 BCH per day) and caused delays in block generating in bitcoin and made a bigger backlog?

as for Core dudes i never said they are perfect. in fact i'd say some of them should not even be involved in the decision making process. for instance i have not yet forgotten the UASF shenanigans of 2017 with Luke convincing people that it is fine to split bitcoin into two with only an extremely low hashrate.

[franky1]

ver and craig dont even hands on code BCH. so they have less actual impact on the cash economy.. and by that standard as the networks are separate, even less impact on the core network

CSW is creating his very own coin and he is actually involved in the process as we speak and he has been involved with BCH too and had actual impact. as for Ver, since you love example so much, for example if you pay an assassin to assassinate someone you can't say your hands are clean because you never touched a gun. Ver funded creation of BCH and not to mention the 24/7 propaganda machine that he runs.
oh and by the way it DOES have effect on bitcoin network. or have you forgotten the way EDA worked by creating a huge incentive for miners to switch (1000+ block/day or 12,500 BCH per day) and caused delays in block generating in bitcoin and made a bigger backlog?

as for Core dudes i never said they are perfect. in fact i'd say some of them should not even be involved in the decision making process. for instance i have not yet forgotten the UASF shenanigans of 2017 with Luke convincing people that it is fine to split bitcoin into two with only an extremely low hashrate.

as you said craig is creating a coin...... and.... nothing
coins are created every day.
the point is while everyone finger points at another coin. they are not looking at the core devs.
let him make 500 coins.. let him wear a dress and put a flower in his hair.. its just drama

ver drama, is just drama.
there was no gun.. to use your example. his "unlimited" was never a mandatory thing. so it was all word and fear over nothing. even classic even XT. none of them had mandatory chain split code.
it was all distractions to create a fan base to put core devs onto a throne and declare bitcoin core the monarchy

the ver owns bitcoin.. again drama. persuade the sheep to put core on a throne with empty distractions of someone

craig wright and ver didnt manually code unlimited themselves. plus unlimited is on BCH. BCH does not affect btc

even hashrate does not effect things.
last week i seen the hashrate go from between 57exa to 42exa a 26% variance..
i seen the highest mempool sizes due to people trying to get in and out of exchanges
neither case was due to anything Bch had caused anything close to

miners pool skip daily.
its all just drama of distraction.

even things like wanting to fill a block header to prevent asic boost. is actually a distraction to fill a blockheader so that people cant just make easy sidechains and circumvent cores roadmap of wanting LN to be the only side option to onchain

but anyway if you follow the money. ver is paid by the same people that pay core devs and pay gavin. and also pay hearne. its all bribery to make them the face of distraction.

what i really loved.. november 2017. while the sheep were distracted by the ver middle finger. they did not see the "segwit1x lock segwit 2x blocked" event that the institutional investors paid the devs/contracted them to develop and activate. which when locked institutional money came flying into the markets and as you can see by the price mountain of november onwards.. .. well maybe most didnt see as they were too busy with social distractions of some non-coder sticking his finger up to a webcam

oh and the round tables of 2016. where developers plotted the roadmap options.. oh wait. too busy distracted by craig wright is satoshi and has some proof coming out soon.

all just distractions

[Kakmakr]

Healthy Competition is good, but when Roger Ver entered the scene, it turned from healthy competition to something toxic. He is using some filthy tactics to attack Bitcoin <BTC> and this evoke some negative actions from a large group of people, who are not going to allow him to spread fallacies and to attack Bitcoin in such a way.

Expect people to push back, when they are being pushed and stop crying if people gets hurt, if they initiated the hostile actions. BCash should never have used these dirty tactics, because it is already biting them in the ass.

If people shy away from a scenario where Bitcoin <BTC> supporters are fighting against a hostile takeover, then let them go. We will continue to fight for Bitcoin <BTC> no matter if they are on-board or not. 

[semes]

Some inconsistencies people went out and left the team to compete with Bitcoin with all their inconsistencies, creating Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Gold and many more useless money. Bitcoin has a big impact on them in this bad situation. They do not know that if Bitcoin disappears, neither can Cash survive nor Gold! They've got their names even Bitcoin! They can only be a good copy.

[Wind_FURY]

ver and craig dont even hands on code BCH. so they have less actual impact on the cash economy.. and by that standard as the networks are separate, even less impact on the core network

CSW is creating his very own coin and he is actually involved in the process as we speak and he has been involved with BCH too and had actual impact. as for Ver, since you love example so much, for example if you pay an assassin to assassinate someone you can't say your hands are clean because you never touched a gun. Ver funded creation of BCH and not to mention the 24/7 propaganda machine that he runs.
oh and by the way it DOES have effect on bitcoin network. or have you forgotten the way EDA worked by creating a huge incentive for miners to switch (1000+ block/day or 12,500 BCH per day) and caused delays in block generating in bitcoin and made a bigger backlog?

as for Core dudes i never said they are perfect. in fact i'd say some of them should not even be involved in the decision making process. for instance i have not yet forgotten the UASF shenanigans of 2017 with Luke convincing people that it is fine to split bitcoin into two with only an extremely low hashrate.

as you said craig is creating a coin...... and.... nothing
coins are created every day.
the point is while everyone finger points at another coin. they are not looking at the core devs.
let him make 500 coins.. let him wear a dress and put a flower in his hair.. its just drama

ver drama, is just drama.
there was no gun.. to use your example. his "unlimited" was never a mandatory thing. so it was all word and fear over nothing. even classic even XT. none of them had mandatory chain split code.
it was all distractions to create a fan base to put core devs onto a throne and declare bitcoin core the monarchy

the ver owns bitcoin.. again drama. persuade the sheep to put core on a throne with empty distractions of someone

craig wright and ver didnt manually code unlimited themselves. plus unlimited is on BCH. BCH does not affect btc

even hashrate does not effect things.
last week i seen the hashrate go from between 57exa to 42exa a 26% variance..
i seen the highest mempool sizes due to people trying to get in and out of exchanges
neither case was due to anything Bch had caused anything close to

miners pool skip daily.
its all just drama of distraction.

even things like wanting to fill a block header to prevent asic boost. is actually a distraction to fill a blockheader so that people cant just make easy sidechains and circumvent cores roadmap of wanting LN to be the only side option to onchain

but anyway if you follow the money. ver is paid by the same people that pay core devs and pay gavin. and also pay hearne. its all bribery to make them the face of distraction.

what i really loved.. november 2017. while the sheep were distracted by the ver middle finger. they did not see the "segwit1x lock segwit 2x blocked" event that the institutional investors paid the devs/contracted them to develop and activate. which when locked institutional money came flying into the markets and as you can see by the price mountain of november onwards.. .. well maybe most didnt see as they were too busy with social distractions of some non-coder sticking his finger up to a webcam

oh and the round tables of 2016. where developers plotted the roadmap options.. oh wait. too busy distracted by craig wright is satoshi and has some proof coming out soon.

all just distractions

You keep repeating that "someone evil" paid someone else to distract the community, make drama, to activate, to develop something. Do you have proof of this, or is this another conspiracy theory?

[sotoshihero]

We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

If someone is pointing out the demerits and deficiencies of any of the crypto-currency, then what is the need to take it negatively? None of the crypto-coins are 100% perfect. We need to learn from the critics and then take care of any shortcomings.

There is always rivalry especially on bitcoin which is the p[rimary cryptocurrency. Whatever the failures, it should be corrected and help provide the solution. Each cryptocurrency has its unique features and we should respect that.

[coinwizard_]

In the pepsi vs coca cola battle they play a game one upmanship where they simple promote how good their own product is. What doesn't happen due to trading laws is how they trash talk their competitors. Bitcoin and cash should do the same and just focus on their own

[o_e_l_e_o]

people who aren't already in the community are rarely going to see the drama and the FUD spread by BCH guys about bitcoin. they have to stumble upon these things by accident because it is definitely not the first thing you see when searching about bitcoin. it might have been the case about 13 months ago when Ver wanted to take control of bitcoin but ended up making BCH but it is not so much these days.

I disagree, partly. Yes, you don't see much drama anymore as long as you stay away from the cesspool that is /r/btc. However, bitcoin.com, which is in the first couple of results for "bitcoin" on most search engines, is a scam site entirely designed to trick newbies in to buying BCH.

When one side of an argument is literally trying to scam people, then there is no "meet in middle compromise" as OP suggests. One side is right, the other is wrong.

[Wind_FURY]

Would it be fraud if newbies were manipulated to believe that Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin, and they bought something that they thought was worth $6200, but what it's truthfully worth is only $450? Hahaha.

Is the bitcoin.com website doing that kind of manipulation?

[o_e_l_e_o]

Is the bitcoin.com website doing that kind of manipulation?

That's exactly what they are doing. They call "Bitcoin Cash" "Bitcoin", and they call "Bitcoin" "Bitcoin Core". Bitcoin Core is software, not a coin, as everyone knows. They deliberately obfuscate the matter to trick newbies in to buying Bitcoin Cash.

[Red-Apple]

We could see the fights between BTC and BCH community members accusing each other's coin and spreading negative thoughts about the crypto market itself as a whole.Each coin dev as well as its supporters wants to show the other coin down.It makes people who wish to enter crypto loose their faith in cryptos and stay back.

Come on guys,even if we wish or not we all are sailing in the same crypto environment boat.Don't accuse each other or else we all have to sink one day or another.

If someone is pointing out the demerits and deficiencies of any of the crypto-currency, then what is the need to take it negatively? None of the crypto-coins are 100% perfect. We need to learn from the critics and then take care of any shortcomings.

There is always rivalry especially on bitcoin which is the p[rimary cryptocurrency. Whatever the failures, it should be corrected and help provide the solution. Each cryptocurrency has its unique features and we should respect that.

"rivalry" is when you create a new altcoin from 0 and try to create it in a way that it does things better than bitcoin and then compete with it to reach the same goal: a decentralized currency.
what BCH does is far from "rivalry", it was attempts of hostile take over of bitcoin which failed. which is why they created an altcoin from bitcoin and are now calling it "bitcoin".

[Wind_FURY]

Is the bitcoin.com website doing that kind of manipulation?

That's exactly what they are doing. They call "Bitcoin Cash" "Bitcoin", and they call "Bitcoin" "Bitcoin Core". Bitcoin Core is software, not a coin, as everyone knows. They deliberately obfuscate the matter to trick newbies in to buying Bitcoin Cash.

But this is their debate, which I sometimes see myself agreeing with. "No one owns the name Bitcoin, everyone is free to use it". This is very true, BUT it will not matter because what the "real Bitcoin" is is a social construct. "Bitcoin" is the people.

But they have the right to call it "also" Bitcoin, but it would not be right for them to call it the "real" Bitcoin.

[o_e_l_e_o]

But this is their debate, which I sometimes see myself agreeing with. "No one owns the name Bitcoin, everyone is free to use it".

Sure, they can call their coin anything they want. But the fact that they have to steal the name of a more successful coin, that they have to trick people in to buying it because no one wants to buy it based on its own merits, should be alarm bells and red flags to anyone with half a brain.

[Eatund79]

For me BCH is doing some foolish activities. BCH promote their product through BTC media. So I can not compare bch with btc. Btc is huge and its not creat anything bad in this crypto world.