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September 13, 2018, 02:23:56 PM
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TIMELY EXIT


“Successful Trading Is Not About Being Right.” – VTI

What is your tolerance for pain? Consider the following scenario. You have 10% of your account balance on the line. For the past two days, prices have been going in the direction you had anticipated, but today, an announcement was made that caused a market move that caused all your profits to be wiped out in an hour. What will you do? See if prices will move back to where you are okay again? At times like these, it is useful to have a clearly defined trading plan with a specific exit strategy.

Trading is inherently uncertain. You never know exactly what will happen next. That’s what makes the business exciting to some traders but nerve wracking to others. How you handle adverse events that make prices move against you depends on your personality. The best way to protect your capital is to use protective stops. When formulating your trading plan, you must decide how much pain you can tolerate. How much money can you lose before you have to exit the trade? You can set this exit point as a formal stop loss, you can use the automatic settings on your trading platform to set a stop, or you can use a mental stop (not recommended).

The problem with a formal stop loss procedure, whether it is a formal order or an automatic setting on your trading platform, is that a transitory change in price can ‘stop you out.’ if the placement of your stop loss does not adequately account for volatility. It’s hard to know how far a stock may move and a temporary drop can ruin your trading plan when a protective stop is not set properly. Mental stops may be more useful, but you run the risk of not being able to exercise your mental stop (think heart attack, nervous breakdown, stroke, personal emergency, computer failure, etc.). You can decide how far a stock price must move against you before you will liquidate the position. When prices reach the exit point, you can decide whether the low price is transitory or represents a significant change in trend. You can then exit the trade.

This all sounds good in theory, but depending on your personality, you may not be able to carry out this strategy. If you have trouble controlling your emotions and you use a mental stop, for example, you may have trouble closing the trade when it reaches your exit point. Some people panic and out of fear don’t close their position when their mental stop is reached. These people may need to impose the proper amount of discipline on their trading actions by using an electronic stop or a formal stop-loss order.

Minimizing trading losses is the hallmark of successful trading, but not all traders are equal when it comes to their ability to trade decisively under strain. If you want to trade profitably, you have to work around your personality. If you are cool headed, disciplined, and are willing to take the risk even under the most stressful conditions, you can use mental stops to protect your capital. But if you are easily shaken by choppy market action, you might want to use electronic, automatic stops to protect yourself. Whatever you do, however, minimize losses as much as possible. It’s the only way to trade profitably in the long run.


Author: Joe Ross

Source https://www.tradingeducators.com/edition-733 

The article is ended with 3 quotes below:

“Getting out of trades too early with tiny profits very often is a sure road to bankruptcy. Sure it feels good to take some off the table right away…but it’s hardly ever successful in the long run.” - Marco Mayer 

“To make money out of these still requires good management. It is always challenging to see some traders make money from a trade while some traders lose money from the very same trade.” – Joe Ross

“Don’t let those losses lead to mindset traps that can stop you from taking the next trade. Change the way you think about your loss, and you’ll regain your motivation. I guarantee it.” – Louise Bedford

www.tallinex.com wants you to make money from the markets.
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Trading without use stop loss is the same like we put money in the casino, use stop loss in every trading activity is should be to avoided bigger loss. I was try trade forex in demo account without use stop loss and then finally i got margin call, will be the same thing if we dont use stop loss in crypto trading we have possibility to loss up to 90%.

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September 17, 2018, 04:27:59 AM
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I think I should try to use stop-loss as well, I have never done it before and yes, have seen my capital dwindle. I am not sure what to do and how to go about it but I am going to try to take this advice into account and learn how to use a stop loss. I am learning more about tools and indicators right now and trading only coins that I would want to keep if I were dumped on for a long time, like Pundi x. I also like to do arbitrage trading where possible but the stop loss trigger hasn't become my friend just yet. Maybe it's time to start while we are in a bear market to practice using a stop loss.

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September 17, 2018, 04:40:41 AM
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Are you recommending us with tallinex. Com in your last statement. However,  stop loss strategy is for traders who doesn't go with the flow, a wise trader is always updated about any legit analysis,  and sometimes believing in pump and dump groups, (not recommended) everybody says it is a theory but proven when experienced and applied. 

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September 17, 2018, 07:44:00 AM
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Not using stoploss is so suicidal it self Cheesy, I can't get why they don't want to use stoploss it offers a lot of help avoiding huge losses and worst is liquidation. Newbie should be get used to it it'll help them a lot losing small is a good start than losing a big one and quitting in the end because of a huge heartbreak  : Grin

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September 17, 2018, 07:55:30 AM
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TIMELY EXIT


“Successful Trading Is Not About Being Right.” – VTI

What is your tolerance for pain? Consider the following scenario. You have 10% of your account balance on the line. For the past two days, prices have been going in the direction you had anticipated, but today, an announcement was made that caused a market move that caused all your profits to be wiped out in an hour. What will you do? See if prices will move back to where you are okay again? At times like these, it is useful to have a clearly defined trading plan with a specific exit strategy.

Trading is inherently uncertain. You never know exactly what will happen next. That’s what makes the business exciting to some traders but nerve wracking to others. How you handle adverse events that make prices move against you depends on your personality. The best way to protect your capital is to use protective stops. When formulating your trading plan, you must decide how much pain you can tolerate. How much money can you lose before you have to exit the trade? You can set this exit point as a formal stop loss, you can use the automatic settings on your trading platform to set a stop, or you can use a mental stop (not recommended).

The problem with a formal stop loss procedure, whether it is a formal order or an automatic setting on your trading platform, is that a transitory change in price can ‘stop you out.’ if the placement of your stop loss does not adequately account for volatility. It’s hard to know how far a stock may move and a temporary drop can ruin your trading plan when a protective stop is not set properly. Mental stops may be more useful, but you run the risk of not being able to exercise your mental stop (think heart attack, nervous breakdown, stroke, personal emergency, computer failure, etc.). You can decide how far a stock price must move against you before you will liquidate the position. When prices reach the exit point, you can decide whether the low price is transitory or represents a significant change in trend. You can then exit the trade.

This all sounds good in theory, but depending on your personality, you may not be able to carry out this strategy. If you have trouble controlling your emotions and you use a mental stop, for example, you may have trouble closing the trade when it reaches your exit point. Some people panic and out of fear don’t close their position when their mental stop is reached. These people may need to impose the proper amount of discipline on their trading actions by using an electronic stop or a formal stop-loss order.

Minimizing trading losses is the hallmark of successful trading, but not all traders are equal when it comes to their ability to trade decisively under strain. If you want to trade profitably, you have to work around your personality. If you are cool headed, disciplined, and are willing to take the risk even under the most stressful conditions, you can use mental stops to protect your capital. But if you are easily shaken by choppy market action, you might want to use electronic, automatic stops to protect yourself. Whatever you do, however, minimize losses as much as possible. It’s the only way to trade profitably in the long run.


Author: Joe Ross

Source https://www.tradingeducators.com/edition-733 

The article is ended with 3 quotes below:

“Getting out of trades too early with tiny profits very often is a sure road to bankruptcy. Sure it feels good to take some off the table right away…but it’s hardly ever successful in the long run.” - Marco Mayer 

“To make money out of these still requires good management. It is always challenging to see some traders make money from a trade while some traders lose money from the very same trade.” – Joe Ross

“Don’t let those losses lead to mindset traps that can stop you from taking the next trade. Change the way you think about your loss, and you’ll regain your motivation. I guarantee it.” – Louise Bedford

www.tallinex.com wants you to make money from the markets.



Most trader see stop loss as limit from profit they will get and they want more higher income, this mistakes will create loss. Not using limit meaning they don't have stop area, if you do that is same like driving without brake. Stop loss is to protect your asset from biggest lost, see it as good parameter you can use to grow up your skill and capital on the right way.

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September 17, 2018, 11:14:17 AM
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Newbie should be get used to it it'll help them a lot losing small is a good start than losing a big one and quitting in the end because of a huge heartbreak  : Grin

Newbies should stick to reading and soaking up all sorts of useful information, not messing around with trading.

In case newbies do get into trading, they should only stick to spot trading and stay as far away from margin trading as possible. If the price goes down with spot trading, you only lose virtual value, while with margin trading you'll lose your socks, your pants, and even your dentures. In other words, you'll lose everything.

With BitMex gaining more popularity, the number of newbie complaints is growing as well. The most common one is that BitMex scammed them because their entire position is gone/busted. They don't realize that the higher your leverage multiplier is, the sooner you'll lose, and without a stop loss you'll lose everything. It's mind boggling how people underestimate margin trading.  Undecided

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September 19, 2018, 04:12:10 PM
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Trading without use stop loss is the same like we put money in the casino, use stop loss in every trading activity is should be to avoided bigger loss. I was try trade forex in demo account without use stop loss and then finally i got margin call, will be the same thing if we dont use stop loss in crypto trading we have possibility to loss up to 90%.
This is even totally different from gambling in a casino, but I totally get your point. The thing with trading is that you cannot be 100% accurate as the market even with the signals, can still behave the way it wants, which is why you should always check your level of risk to profit ratio, to know if it is a market worth joining or not.

Stop-loss is one important part of trading which for those who do not even have trading knowledge, let alone a strategy and all they do is gamble the market, it would be hard for them to know where they should be placing their stop losses as the case may be.


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hello,
who can explain me how to use stop loss service? is it same to stop limit service ? is it pre-paid or free?
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hello,
who can explain me how to use stop loss service? is it same to stop limit service ? is it pre-paid or free?
That is free, you can create stop loss order by use stop limit/trigger order function. And currently only afew exchange offer this feature, these exchanges is Binance, Bittrex, Poloniex, Okex, Bibox. To create stop loss order is you have to put price on the STOP colum little bit higher than LIMIT price, and the price both should be below current price. And when you create this order is mean your that order not in order book yet, and will be come to orderbook when the price going down below to or the same with STOP price.

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Most trader see stop loss as limit from profit they will get and they want more higher income, this mistakes will create loss. Not using limit meaning they don't have stop area, if you do that is same like driving without brake. Stop loss is to protect your asset from biggest lost, see it as good parameter you can use to grow up your skill and capital on the right way.

Thats right  and suicide tarders aiming for a higher  profit sometimes turns into a big loss.  Having a stop loss is important if you know the capacity of market movement.  Also if you are on a day trading, and forgot to have a cut loss you migh wake up with a big loss.

Me too has some coins being caught up and now I lose more than -80% already and its too late to cut loss. Holding is  the next strategy here. Nothing to do. Cheesy

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September 21, 2018, 04:20:31 PM
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hello,
who can explain me how to use stop loss service? is it same to stop limit service ? is it pre-paid or free?
That is free, you can create stop loss order by use stop limit/trigger order function. And currently only afew exchange offer this feature, these exchanges is Binance, Bittrex, Poloniex, Okex, Bibox. To create stop loss order is you have to put price on the STOP colum little bit higher than LIMIT price, and the price both should be below current price. And when you create this order is mean your that order not in order book yet, and will be come to orderbook when the price going down below to or the same with STOP price.
many thanks for this useful answer !! i have been for more than a year on Binance but i have never used this service !!!  now i know why i am a big loser  Grin   
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September 22, 2018, 07:33:42 AM
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I think I should try to use stop-loss as well, I have never done it before and yes, have seen my capital dwindle. I am not sure what to do and how to go about it but I am going to try to take this advice into account and learn how to use a stop loss. I am learning more about tools and indicators right now and trading only coins that I would want to keep if I were dumped on for a long time, like Pundi x. I also like to do arbitrage trading where possible but the stop loss trigger hasn't become my friend just yet. Maybe it's time to start while we are in a bear market to practice using a stop loss.
If you have been a trader and you have never tried it before, then I wonder how you have been trading effectively, unless of course, you are the type that always looks into being patient and wait for it, or possibly buy more lowly.

Normally, there will always be supports and resistance and all a trader is looking for is a price action within this region and in that case, even if you see something convincing and things eventually go south, you should always know where to be placing your stop loss, which would be below the support so as to be able to buy at a much lower price.
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September 22, 2018, 07:53:14 AM
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I think I should try to use stop-loss as well, I have never done it before...
You really should consider using it. Unfortunately, most traders would have been using it if they knew about it. It is a very good trading security that helps you to retain your account.

...and yes, have seen my capital dwindle.

Dwindle you said? In fact, you are lucky to have decided to start using before your account turned zeros right there in your eyes. Ain't you a lucky guy  Grin

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