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September 28, 2018, 10:59:21 PM
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Was able to sit on the call since we'll be soliciting support from the community here. A short list of needs as exemption will apply for us all.

HTS codes for all products being imported from china we wish to file for exemption, we can submit our own ruling if one is not specific enough. Once we have all HTSUS codes we'll move with exemption(s).

Essentially the argument is that the US doesn't offer our products and manufacturers in the US aren't infringed upon if exemption is granted. Consumers and business will only suffer from the added tariff, all things we know.

Our contact is a mentor of one of our team members and so we'll hold off on donations. They'll contact their DC connections once we have all the code/rulings and then we'll push exemptions were it will be beneficial to our businesses and consumers. They would like all HTS codes for the products we source, others sell, and consumers buy whether directly for indirectly.

Feel free to post codes here, or DM me for products known. We'll gather a comprehensive list to deliver and begin work. It looks good with domestic manufacturers are on our side so for GS and Obelisk we'll be reaching out to them for support. If there are other asic mining manufacturers I'm not aware of domestically let me know as well.

Our deadline is 12/18/18 to file.

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September 29, 2018, 12:31:03 AM
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847150409 is the HS code Inno used to import my T2T

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September 29, 2018, 01:29:12 AM
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36600268 for S9s that entered on 11/18/17.

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September 29, 2018, 01:43:32 PM
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36600268 for S9s that entered on 11/18/17.

847150409 is the HS code Inno used to import my T2T

Sorry was looking for list for HTSUS codes for products outside of the units. Like RiPi's, psu's, pdu's. Essentially a comprehensive list of codes for us to run though with our outsourced help. Since we can apply for exemption for each product it would be best to do them all together.  

If you are getting retroactive duty charges for prior purchases contact us through the website if you want some help.

Just note every assembled mining unit should be under the 8543709960 HTS ruling linked here.

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October 02, 2018, 12:26:50 AM
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Well we got list of the products we have posted out to our contact. Hope to hear back soon and start working on our exemption filings. Obelisk has responded to our request, we'll see how that plays out.

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October 02, 2018, 03:35:41 AM
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Well we got list of the products we have posted out to our contact. Hope to hear back soon and start working on our exemption filings. Obelisk has responded to our request, we'll see how that plays out.

Obelisk is a USA company, so I gather you are out of the USA. Let us know, how they approach this. Maybe it will be easier to get an exemption going out of USA then coming in. good luck

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No, we're US based. Essentially the tariffs are to "enhance" US production, being there are only a couple manufacturers in the states having their support will bolster our position for exemption and may benefit them as they'll potentially need to source parts themselves from China.

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No, we're US based. Essentially the tariffs are to "enhance" US production, being there are only a couple manufacturers in the states having their support will bolster our position for exemption and may benefit them as they'll potentially need to source parts themselves from China.

That brings up an interesting query: Do the new 25% tariffs apply to any miner-related components made in China? eg, inductors, resistors, caps, etc. I know they apply to a helluva lot of optical components and laser diodes.

If they do (or in the future, can) how it could effect Non-China based companies that offshore production to China? CoilCraft (US owned) comes to mind for one, they make high current inductors as seen on all hash boards. Wonder if they would be exempt?

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October 03, 2018, 09:56:21 PM
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That brings up an interesting query: Do the new 25% tariffs apply to any miner-related components made in China? eg, inductors, resistors, caps, etc. I know they apply to a helluva lot of optical components and laser diodes.

So I have been working with a customs attorney on this situation and from what we understand is components are not a part of the tariff.

For example, if china ships the individual cats that form Voltron to Canada. If they are reshipped to the USA as is they would face the tariff. If you combined the units into Voltron and shipped Voltron over, you would not be subject to the tariff because the product is materially different from the way it left China.
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October 04, 2018, 05:43:11 AM
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That brings up an interesting query: Do the new 25% tariffs apply to any miner-related components made in China? eg, inductors, resistors, caps, etc. I know they apply to a helluva lot of optical components and laser diodes.

If they do (or in the future, can) how it could effect Non-China based companies that offshore production to China? CoilCraft (US owned) comes to mind for one, they make high current inductors as seen on all hash boards. Wonder if they would be exempt?

It's possible you could include the components into the same ruling as BF posted a page or so back as it addresses accessories and parts as part of the ruling. Off shore manufacturing is ruled the same as regardless of there the company is based. Nike makes footwear in China, shoes are still imported and subject to duties (for example, not sure what footwear rates would be).

So I have been working with a customs attorney on this situation and from what we understand is components are not a part of the tariff.

For example, if china ships the individual cats that form Voltron to Canada. If they are reshipped to the USA as is they would face the tariff. If you combined the units into Voltron and shipped Voltron over, you would not be subject to the tariff because the product is materially different from the way it left China.

Components are part of the new tariff, but as you describe if assembly is done outside of China prior to import would only be subject to the 2.6% not the additional 25% if a full "ADP machine". The real move would be to manufacture components in such a way outside of China as to bring them still into the US as a component, would alleviate any duty if classified correctly.

So assembly of the cats in CAN, then importing the cats into the US to form Voltron, to fit the example given. Of course receiving exemption makes all this effort null and still reduces costs for all parties keeping chains developed intact. Worst case this example would fill the bill if exemption is not approved. Our biggest argument is the fact that the US would be reducing, delaying progress and traction we've gained in the mining arena in what is billions of dollars of potential revenue.

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October 04, 2018, 12:34:56 PM
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If no relief is found by the new year then USA-based miners will almost undoubtedly miss out on the wave of next generation machines. I know that there isn't a single next-gen machine that, priced as they are today, is profitable in a year in terms of pure BTC return of capital for me (I have free power...). I will say that the 921 is an exception at the $1049 price point, yielding a 0.01BTC profit after 12 months with free power.

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October 08, 2018, 05:52:51 PM
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Just for the record for everyone, I've received a bill for both 25% under 9903.88.02 and 2.6% under 8543.70.9960 via FedEx for an order of 18 x S9j with an import date of 9/15/18.
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Just for the record for everyone, I've received a bill for both 25% under 9903.88.02 and 2.6% under 8543.70.9960 via FedEx for an order of 18 x S9j with an import date of 9/15/18.

Looks good. What did FedEx charge for customs support?

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Looks good. What did FedEx charge for customs support?

.3464% processing fee + $25.67
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October 15, 2018, 07:04:24 PM
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We'll be drafting filings for exemptions across a number HTSUS rulings to be delivered before 12/18/18 deadline. Cost is fairly substantial in five digit range. We'd ask for donations but don't want to presume that our most used rulings will be granted exemption. If you like you can DM me for information on donations. Otherwise if you're a current buyer a portion of our commission charge will be routed to these efforts.

Wishing us all luck.

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October 25, 2018, 03:07:31 PM
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Hi, we need to solicit help for descriptions of an assembled miner and their control boards. We have a good description of the actual chips and some parts but most of the documentation we find is lacking a bit for our taste to present to the CBP. We want ensure our submissions are thorough.

Outside of aesthetics of housing, fan and asic chips, more details on the guts will be helpful.

For the control board we need a overview of function and materials used. 

Appreciate the help and thank you to those who have donated. We're really thankful this hasn't impacted our small team to severely or service to end users. Our plan is to work through materials, parts, then backwards on units from most current across all known and verified units from china.

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Does anyone know the laws in regards to used miners? Do you pay based off of what you paid for the miner or is it a set fee per miner [same price as if it was new]?
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Does anyone know the laws in regards to used miners? Do you pay based off of what you paid for the miner or is it a set fee per miner [same price as if it was new]?

good luck with that answer.

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Does anyone know the laws in regards to used miners? Do you pay based off of what you paid for the miner or is it a set fee per miner [same price as if it was new]?

Laws? I imagine your just asking if duties apply to import of used products? Yes, same as if new but still only regarding the purchase value. Make sure there is an invoice accompanied inside the package and communicate proper rulings.   

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Does anyone know the laws in regards to used miners? Do you pay based off of what you paid for the miner or is it a set fee per miner [same price as if it was new]?

A buddy of mine says that FED EX informed him of the proper codes for ASIC miners. Just saying. I'll see if I can get that code he was told and post it on here.

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