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September 13, 2018, 10:04:56 PM
Last edit: September 13, 2018, 10:15:37 PM by Coolcryptovator
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This is an open discussion no one should take it personally.

Since I am beginner & learner, few question around on my mind. It's not my complain or not I am blaming someone. Especially two subject I combine on this thread instade of post multiple thread.

Should we stop expose scam ICO?
Few people's are exposing scam ICO lately. I am not saying that all the accusation is 100% accurate. As we know when we report a post we can see;
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I would like to consider this sentence for scam accusation also. What we see from began, most of exposed scam are exit with fund. However scam isn't moderated by forum and we can't blame to forum as well. We just exposed the reality, whoever want to invest we can't stop them. We just make a report about activity of ICO and post it on Scam Accusation  board. We can't judge it, unfortunately no DT also handling this kind of case lately. I know it's much difficult to judge, but it doesn't mean we should leave forum free for scammers. Usually we tagged OP ourself once we found suspicious activity or fake ICO, in fact most of ANN and bounty managed by ICO team. Sometimes we mention DT to tagged those almost obvious or possible scam, because our tagged will not reflect on their profile and forum members will not aware about their scam activity. But unfortunately we getting very low response from DT. Sometimes they tag them but very rarely. By the way they might be busy or it's depend of their own judgment they will tag or not. We can't blame also them in that case.
Question is, sometimes we found few ICO posted by higher ranked account that we called managers or whatever. For clarity, in that case we should leave him/her negetive feedback if they don't want to lock thread ? And what about  if a manager post multiple fake/ scam ICO. what should we do ?

Personally l am not much encourage to tag a higher ranked account in that case for first time. So I ask managers to lock their thread and also sometimes we get positive respons from them. Problem is if multiple accusation against a manager than what should we do ? We should leave him/her free to make more scam ICO post?

So why it's necessary exposed a scam. Should we stop expose ? Although someone no tagged but it's helping people who visiting accusation board.

I expect appropriate answers from reputed member's. We just don't want to increase our enemy and negetive feedback.

Edit: Personally I believe for become this forum most popular there is a huge role of hunters and ICO's. So I think we should care about it.


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To be honest, I noticed lot of positive rating (green trust ) is for succesful trading, like bought some token or coin. I can't see much green trust for forum activity. Is this really need to give positive rating for successful trade ? Can't be use neutral feedback ? Why there is neutral feedback option? Shouldn't use it ? Sometimes green trust made confuse. May be someone will trust him/her blindly without check trust comment. Although green trust isn't mean a person couldn't scam but it has a value.

However please don't take it personally and I don't have aguemnt if someone not agree with me. I just want to acquire knowledge. Because recently I saw different reaction from different reputed member's. You can see here.

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September 13, 2018, 10:21:50 PM
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To be honest, I noticed lot of positive rating (green trust ) is for succesful trading, like bought some token or coin. I can't see much green trust for forum activity. Is this really need to give positive rating for successful trade ? Can't be use neutral feedback ? Why there is neutral feedback option? Shouldn't use it ? Sometimes green trust made confuse. May be someone will trust him/her blindly without check trust comment. Although green trust isn't mean a person couldn't scam but it has a value.
Trust system was meant for trading things,so there's nothing wrong with that. Then things became horrible,and people got tags for so many irrelevant things in the trust system.

Should you stop or not stop exposing scams is on you. It takes a lot of time and effort, and you get nothing for it, except trying to help the community. Its subjective, its based on how your life is based, and a lot more things. Exposing scams would lead nowhere on this forum, they'll just come back. Negative feedback has no real consequences, yet people give death threats in return.

theymos should be having a better answer for this, because for me personally, the entire trust system is useless,and is limited only within the forum's bounds. Scammers are just chillin.

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September 13, 2018, 10:44:56 PM
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Don't forget the search engines bots crawling the forum and so ranking easily for some ICO name. Which can be useful if someone is googling to get any information about a project
So yes, people should continue to expose the scams. It helps some people.

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September 13, 2018, 10:59:59 PM
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There was a discussion about a little bit strict rules for upcoming ICOs but administration forgot it soon, as I remember upcoming ICOs had to pay some fees in order to create thread here.
Also DT members don't tag without reasons, even when they say possible scam, they have a lot of arguments to tag them with this title. DT members can't tag everything they wish so blindly and it really takes time to read all scam accusations and a lot...
We have to expose every scam in anyway, usually people google "ICOname Scam" and you may know bitcointalk is easily and quickly indexed number one in google search engine.

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September 13, 2018, 11:19:41 PM
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Should we stop expose scam ICO?
Why would you if you like and enjoy doing it. What inspires you when you go and do research to expose an ICO/project? What is your motivation? If this is to get them tagged by the DTs then your motivation is wrong. If your motivation is caring the community (by community I mean everyone in the cryptospace not just bitcoinTalk) then keep doing it because people out there who never heard about bitcoinTalk they don't care about whether a DT tagged the scammers of not - they care about the information. If your information is solid then you are helping them to save their hard earned money.

So I ask again, what is your inspiration?


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.... positive rating (green trust ) is for succesful trading, like bought some token or coin. I can't see much green trust for forum activity. Is this really need to give positive rating for successful trade ? Can't be use neutral feedback ?
If I am happy after buying some coin from a user from this forum then you are saying that I should not leave them a positive feedback? Why? I think they deserve it.

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Why there is neutral feedback option?
If you are not happy with a trade but somehow you are not sure that if you should leave a negative trust for that then use the neutral trust.

Leaving trust for something is subjective. You may think a neutral trust is okay for a trade but for the same trade someone else will think a positive trust is more appropriate than a negative.

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Sometimes green trust made confuse. May be someone will trust him/her blindly without check trust comment.
Why would you blindly trust anyone? Do your due diligence. Go to their trust page and read the contents, go through the references then make your own judgement before making a deal.

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