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September 15, 2018, 11:52:24 AM
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See complete ANN thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5018388.0

Relevant excerpt from said ANN:

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Our Hettarer,  first conceived in Japan, makes use of conductive paper that collects charged particles from electric currents occurring naturally from the air as well as the device. By simply sticking the HETTARER sticker on the back of your phone, it improves the overall battery performance by 20-40 per cent. HETTARER not only improves battery performance, it also lowers the high frequency of electric devices by 90%! So it will greatly increase Crypto-mining efficiency if it is sticked on Crypto-mining rigs!
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I'm an EE - specializing in power conversion, no less - and this is flat out impossible/bogus/a scam.

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September 15, 2018, 12:04:42 PM
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I'm an EE - specializing in power conversion, no less - and this is flat out impossible/bogus/a scam.
You're no God though? I mean just because you think some technology is not possible doesn't mean it can't be achieved by someone else? You're not Nikola Tesla, are you? A lot of scientists said the same thing when he tried that wireless transfer of the electricity. I'm not an EE but the point is, you gotta talk to the team and see if they can counter your arguments. Moreover, 999.9% of the ICO's never make past the white-papers. Technically, all of them are a scam.


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September 15, 2018, 01:33:52 PM
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I'm an EE - specializing in power conversion, no less - and this is flat out impossible/bogus/a scam.
You're no God though? I mean just because you think some technology is not possible doesn't mean it can't be achieved by someone else? You're not Nikola Tesla, are you? A lot of scientists said the same thing when he tried that wireless transfer of the electricity. I'm not an EE but the point is, you gotta talk to the team and see if they can counter your arguments. Moreover, 999.9% of the ICO's never make past the white-papers. Technically, all of them are a scam.

So I need to either be (a) god or Tesla to be able to call an electronic device impossible/a scam? Whereas you - who aren't even an EE, much less a god or Tesla - are perfectly capable of dismissing my assessment?

Sounds legit...

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September 15, 2018, 02:10:41 PM
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I have some doubts, this person:



Radha Kandan ( PR Manager )

Source: https://rebglo.io/ ( http://archive.is/yFUR9 )

Not similar to this person:



your name is: Siri priya

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September 15, 2018, 02:31:12 PM
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I'm an EE - specializing in power conversion, no less - and this is flat out impossible/bogus/a scam.
You're no God though? I mean just because you think some technology is not possible doesn't mean it can't be achieved by someone else?
While discovering new energy solutions they forget to edit linkedin profiles of their team members https://prnt.sc/kuq43c  

Miss. Radha Kandan, https://www.linkedin.com/in/radha-kandan-65711349/ operation manager:


Mr. Omar Hj Ibrahim, https://www.linkedin.com/in/omar-hj-ibrahim-ba533065/ Chief Executive Officer:


Unfortunately this can't be archived.

This sound like company:


According to https://www.sgpbusiness.com/ company doesn't exist:

There is one new company registered as  Rebglo-pte-ltd https://www.sgpbusiness.com/company/Rebglo-Pte-Ltd, but address doesn't match with address provided by their team:



I've tried to call them but no one answered.


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September 16, 2018, 12:45:41 PM
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I've tried to call them but no one answered.

I don't think it's original numbers, I mean mobile number can be bought virtually. Even you can buy number from any country you want. Simply search on Google it will show so many website for sale mobile number. I think they used same thing.

I just forget where I saw, also you can buy office address just for small amount. They will provide you an address that's are look like real even Google map.

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September 16, 2018, 12:52:12 PM
Last edit: September 16, 2018, 01:55:19 PM by The Pharmacist
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I'm an EE - specializing in power conversion, no less - and this is flat out impossible/bogus/a scam.
I'm not an engineer, but I'm familiar with the laws of thermodynamics and I certainly know you can't get energy from nowhere.  However, isn't this project just saying it improves battery life as opposed to keeping it perpetually charged?  It doesn't exactly sound like a perpetual motion/free energy scheme, but then again I'm just going by what was written in your description.

I'm not inclined to argue about it, since it probably IS a scam given how many of these things turn out to be exactly that.  I've also never heard of this type of technology, which if viable would seem to be a huge breakthrough and wouldn't be marketed like this.

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Good explanation, and I believe you.  Doesn't surprise me that they're basically trying to sell a perpetual motion thing.  Scammers have been doing that for centuries if I'm not mistaken.  And somehow I missed that last sentence of the sales pitch about being useful for mining rigs.  That makes the claim sound even more like magic voodoo science.  lol

Oh yeah, that ANN thread is being overrun with "great project" spam posts.  I just reported a few.  That thread ought to be nuked.

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September 16, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
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I'm an EE - specializing in power conversion, no less - and this is flat out impossible/bogus/a scam.
I'm not an engineer, but I'm familiar with the laws of thermodynamics and I certainly know you can't get energy from nowhere.  However, isn't this project just saying it improves battery life as opposed to keeping it perpetually charged?  It doesn't exactly sound like a perpetual motion/free energy scheme, but then again I'm just going by what was written in your description.

I'm not inclined to argue about it, since it probably IS a scam given how many of these things turn out to be exactly that.  I've also never heard of this type of technology, which if viable would seem to be a huge breakthrough and wouldn't be marketed like this.

Perfectly valid observation and questions. The "device" is described as sticker made of "conductive paper*" which when adhered to the back of *any* cell phone (or cryptocurrency mining rig!?) will capture energy from the air and somehow magically convey it into the battery/charging system of the phone. Without any wires or other power conversion circuitry. THAT is what is impossible.

Also, while there are myriad signals zipping through the air from satellites, power lines, cell phone towers, radio station transmitters, etc., you can't capture them without an LC** tank circuit tuned to resonate at a particular frequency. Of course, by tuning an LC tank to one frequency you necessarily exclude its ability to respond to others - this is precisely how wireless energy transfer systems work, btw.

Furthermore, there does exist a voltage differential in the atmosphere of around 100V/m on average, so a non-conductive 10m tall tower with an electrode at the top should have 1000V between the top electrode and ground... except that the available current is in the picoampere range (ie - billionths of an ampere), which puts the available power of even a 100m tower in the nanowatt range. Given that phones require 3-5W to operate on average, a few nW aren't going to amount to the proverbial hill of beans.

The average person is not going to understand enough electronics to spot the issues with REBGLO's claims, but since I do I felt it my duty to point them out.



* - there are silver and copper bearing inks that can be applied to paper to make it conductive, but since they cost way more per unit area and than a piece of aluminum foil, there's not much point using them.

** - an LC tank is formed whenever a loop is formed between an inductor and a capacitor, and exhibits resonance (or maximum energy storage capability) at a frequency of 1/(2*pi*(LC^0.5)).
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September 16, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
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The ANN thread has disappeared. Anyone have an archive?

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September 16, 2018, 06:35:21 PM
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The ANN thread has disappeared. Anyone have an archive?

Crap... This was my first scam report and I didn't think to archive it, but it looks like the OP must have deleted the topic because the modlog shows several of the replies were deleted much earlier today, but not the topic itself.

Search for 5018388 in the modlog to see: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

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September 20, 2018, 05:05:10 PM
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I've tried to call them but no one answered.
I don't think it's original numbers
Are we still talking about +65?  Smiley
The ANN thread has disappeared. Anyone have an archive?
Sorry about that, it is completely my fault. No.
Crap... This was my first scam report and I didn't think to archive it, but it looks like the OP must have deleted the topic because the modlog shows several of the replies were deleted much earlier today, but not the topic itself.
Archive everything you can, announcement thread, bounty, website, profile, just in case someone trash topic or in case they decide to change something on site after exposed(whitepaper, team etc).

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September 20, 2018, 06:37:52 PM
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I've tried to call them but no one answered.
Are we still talking about +65?  Smiley

What, you can't call the entire country of Singapore?  Tongue

Archive everything you can, announcement thread, bounty, website, profile, just in case someone trash topic or in case they decide to change something on site after exposed(whitepaper, team etc).

What's the preferred method of doing that? Archive.it?

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September 20, 2018, 07:11:13 PM
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What's the preferred method of doing that? Archive.it?

http://archive.is/ or http://archive.org/web/

Both are very straightforward - you paste a URL and a few seconds later you get an archived URL.

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What's the preferred method of doing that? Archive.it?

http://archive.is/ or http://archive.org/web/

Both are very straightforward - you paste a URL and a few seconds later you get an archived URL.

Archive.is is the one I was trying to remember! Thanks for the help!

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October 10, 2018, 09:41:31 AM
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"Our Hettarer,  first conceived in Japan, makes use of conductive paper that collects charged particles from electric currents occurring naturally from the air as well as the device. By simply sticking the HETTARER sticker on the back of your phone, it improves the overall battery performance by 20-40 per cent. HETTARER not only improves battery performance, it also lowers the high frequency of electric devices by 90%! So it will greatly increase Crypto-mining efficiency if it is sticked on Crypto-mining rigs!"

I want to believe. Can anybody share with me the science on how the sticker works... prefer references to journal publications. Thanks.
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February 22, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
Last edit: February 22, 2019, 09:56:45 PM by ICOEthics
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The ANN thread has disappeared. Anyone have an archive?

They are back:

NEW ANN:  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111485.0
http://web.archive.org/web/20190222205613/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111485.0


It appears that they had their sales and went offline after the sales. Now they are coming back with a diferent name.
(Link on ANN thread will take you to a new website (https://hettarer.io/) (edited)






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March 12, 2019, 02:32:19 PM
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New thread [ANN] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119704.0
Archive: http://archive.fo/mBfoy

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April 08, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
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Another new bounty: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5129320.0
Archive: http://archive.fo/JB6un

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