Innosilicon T2Turbo review 24th model

[philipma1957]

this is for the low power efficiency setting
Your video will be live at:  https://youtu.be/kxTeYwzX8Uc

this is for balance speed setting

Your video will be live at: https://youtu.be/MlAmhyWRdIQ

I was asked to do a formal thread on the innosilicon T2Turbo 24th miner.

First off I purchased it   using minefarmbuy they were able to let me use PayPal to pay for it. My miner came directly from innosilicon before the 25% tariff started so I paid 1719 usd via PayPal for it to be shipped to my home in NJ

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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44488135#msg44488135 date=1534909925]
Okay. My unit showed up the other day Monday the 20th.

I get about 17500 th at 1450 watts.

This is close to 82 watts a th.

It is a good number

So what does the firmware do?

Optimize hash. Does not mean optimize power.

So. Will hash go up and power go up? =  not what I want.

Will hash go up and power stay the same = very good

Will hash stay the same and power drop = best

I have only made one purchase from you this unit.

I don’t want high power use
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44512992#msg44512992 date=1534949937]
[quote author=minefarmbuy link=topic=3926710.msg44511886#msg44511886 date=1534948613]
I agree, more specific notes on the updates would be nice. For me though if it was working well why touch it but then you're proposes and skills are a lot different.  

Others, be careful as we're talking T2 and T2T in here, so watch what firmware you're using on which unit. 
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yeah  part of doing these reviews is so that others don't take the risk of shit firmware upgrade.

so I did the up grade to this one

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2t_20180814_092800.swu

and my balanced is now at 20.49  but the power moved to 1876 watts so 1876 / 20490 = 91.5 watts a th  which is not as good as the numbers before  which were 89 watts a th.

I will check efficiency  setting  next.

and fans are faster but unit is cool.    57 c

so  about 1 more th and 110 more watts  for balanced.  this is all fine and good  if btc jumps higher.  but  instead of  giving less watts and the same hash better watts per th

it is more watts and more hash   worse watts per th exactly what I did not want.

I will test balanced next
I will also attempt to roll back firmware after that which may not be possible since I don't have that file 

And @ Inno_Asic  give me a link  for original firmware  not the newest.

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2t_20180814_092800.swu

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2_20180814_100830.swu

So I have the two above
give me the first one  that came with  the machine

[b]Note T2Turbo is what I have[/b]
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44513892#msg44513892 date=1534951107]
[quote author=minefarmbuy link=topic=3926710.msg44513359#msg44513359 date=1534950423]
Can you or anyone else read decibel level or give a general opinion on noise level?  
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well  the firmware  upgrade fucked up the noise level  since it boosted fan speed.

It was far better then an s9

fan speed  was 50  and temps  were 63c  for efficiency

fan speed was 73 and temps were 63c for balanced

now  

fan speed is 90%  and temps are 50c  for efficiency
fan speed is 90% and temps are 56c for balanced

so typical innosilicon BS  which is why  I never purchased a unit from them  until  I got this one from you.

I will keep this one and if I can not roll back  firmware I won't be buying anymore.

I will also mark all innosilicon products with  neg feedback  if I can not  roll back this upgrade.
and mark all innosilicon  reps with  negative feedback  if I am unable to roll back this firmware.

Only because I asked a specific question  and was given what I suspected was a false fake answer.
my question:

[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44488135#msg44488135 date=1534909925]
Okay. My unit showed up the other day Monday the 20th.

I get about 17500 th at 1450 watts.

This is close to 82 watts a th.

It is a good number

So what does the firmware do?

Optimize hash. Does not mean optimize power.

So. Will hash go up and power go up? =  not what I want.

Will hash go up and power stay the same = very good

Will hash stay the same and power drop = best

I have only made one purchase from you this unit.

I don’t want high power use
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fake reply:

[quote author=Inno_ASIC link=topic=3926710.msg44490685#msg44490685 date=1534916962]
Dear Valuable Innosilicon Miner User,

We’re glad to inform you that the [b]firmware of T2 has been optimized[/b] again though unremitting efforts of our Innosilicon Firmware team.

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2_20180814_100830.swu

[b]Upated items:
- Improved the over-temperature protection performance; 
- Optimized the start-up process of miners;[/b]

You can upgrade the firmware as shown below:

http://www.innosilicon.com/statics/images/20180822134042.png
 
Please send email or add Skype miner_support@innosilicon.com.cn to our technical support team if you meet some problem when you update the firmware.

Thank you.
                                                                          
Innosilicon customer service team
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44521352#msg44521352 date=1534961799]
[quote author=minefarmbuy link=topic=3926710.msg44519517#msg44519517 date=1534959034]
Why even bother releasing the update. . .. 

They should have the firmware posted for roll back. Philip, not to poke the bear but a basic reply is all I might expect from their forum account. Hopefully once they get to business hours over there they'll update and list the original firmware. We'll give them a chance to help us out. 
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yeah  I will wait  but  as for now the new august 14 update is unacceptable  garbage  90% fans  vs 50% fans  85 watts a th vs 82 watts  a th.

100 watts more power for 1th more hash which is not what I wanted for efficiency setting.

I would have preferred 0 watts more power  for .5th hash

or 100 watts less for 1th less

which would be 1350 watts and 17 th  or 79 watts per 1th

I sent an email to support.   I will wait to see if they reply.
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44533250#msg44533250 date=1534989174]
I got a reply  on facebook

I have the oem  file

/Users/macmini/Desktop/T2Turbo Firmware/t2t_20180803_112014.swu


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UsOjQnBMx2FxCqRmJEvdeRSgjwUhfI5W/view

I will fuck with it tomorrow.  
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44574714#msg44574714 date=1535053475]
To be on point kudos to Innosilicon  they replied in under 20 hours  with oem file  

I ask on facebook  they gave an answer.
I ask via pm they gave an answer.
I ask via email they  gave an answer.

I am going to redo firmware now as fan speed on 85% is too loud.

It is back

and room is hot but fans dropped to 60%  which is much better then  85%
power dropped to 1450  vs 1498
hash drops just a little  say 18200 to 17700 waiting for auto tune to settle.

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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44605723#msg44605723 date=1535115028]
[quote author=Inno_ASIC link=topic=3926710.msg44598874#msg44598874 date=1535104706]
Dear all,

Thank you all for feedback about the new firmware of T2T.

It maybe set fans to 90%. But fans will go down after running about one hour.

And we are also developing a new firmware to improve this problem.

Thank you so much.
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Yes they did drop to 85%

and on efficiency setting it does very close to same watts per gh.  say 83  or 84 a th  vs 81 or 82.

I am doing all testing in a place where sound matters.

When I set up  in solar array I will do newer firmware  as sound does not matter.

I really want to thank you for giving the older file  so I could roll back.

Bitmain was a fucking asshole about this  with the s-9 for  along time.

You guys did the right thing giving access to older file.

Thank you again.
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44768380#msg44768380 date=1535373488]
So far  at efficiency setting

I do 1450 watts at wall

and about 17340 gh   which is  83.6 watts 

It does better at night when garage is cooler.

I know of no other gear this efficient

I kept stock firmware as my unit is cool and fanspeed is a bit lower.

I wish  they were cheaper in price as  they are close to 1725  if you use crypto to pay.

1592 bank order

.255456  btc is 1724.52 at coinbase

30.14    ltc is 1743.29 at coinbase

I do like the 83.6 watts  a lot.   but it is a little bit under spec.

I should burn around 1398 watts to do 17340 hash  not 1450

When room cools we will see if it improves.
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44887720#msg44887720 date=1535577631]
[quote author=sarcheer link=topic=3926710.msg44885637#msg44885637 date=1535574112]
"Aug 29 15:28:23 InnoMiner cgminer[1319]: chain1: detected 93 chips"

According to the logs for my T2T there are 93 chips per chain.
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I looked for that for so long!

 thank you for posting it.

So 93 x 3 = 279    

17,350/279 = 62 gh a chip at efficiency setting

I do about 1450 watts at k-watt meter  so close to 5 watts a chip   simple math says 5.197 watts   but there are 2 fans and a controller.

These would be nice usb sticks

better yet 5 chip pods

hmm 25 watts and 310 gh
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[philipma1957]

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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg44995438#msg44995438 date=1535746600]
[quote author=sarcheer link=topic=3926710.msg44994187#msg44994187 date=1535744356]
What about performance +? Talking about the T2T
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the best setting for efficiency is the efficiency setting

17.50th and 1450 watts or 82 watts a th
 Efficiency -----  17.50 th at 82 watts a th

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19.55th and 1720 watt
balance--------  19.55 th  at 88 watts a th 
 
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factory---------


performance---   2376 watts   my meter can not stand to do 2200 to 2400 watts long term I will do an hour test with meter attached


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Meter simply does not allow me  to run at 2376 watts  so I ended test.
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=3926710.msg45144895#msg45144895 date=1535995364]
[quote author=Biffa link=topic=3926710.msg45142891#msg45142891 date=1535992558]
390 to one bitcoin address, but they may be using more than one.

Someone spent near $360K on them in the last few days. :o 8)
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Well  on efficiency and balanced   mine has been very good. 82 watts a th on eff and 87 watts a th on bal

factory and performance it is a power hog about 100 watts a th
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I will be doing a few videos on this gear. and innosilicon is now making a better model

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3926710.msg45689941#msg45689941

[philipma1957]

I saved for  video links

Your video will be live at: https://youtu.be/MlAmhyWRdIQ

I will do more videos this one above is  loaded  as of now

balanced setting about 19.86th

so 1720/19860 = 86.6 watts a th



feel free to comment.

I will be testing it on efficicney  on tuesday

I am prepping to get the newer model the t2turbo 32th

[Steamtyme]

Nice job of grouping the information together.

I might have missed it on my read through, did the T2T ever hit the specs of 24TH ?? I know your meter couldn't handle the electrical load, but it would be interesting to see if the machine gets there.

The T2T+ looks deadly as far as efficiency, depending on what hardware actually makes it to market it won't be top of the efficiency list but still respectable?

Although for confirmed deliverers of at least 1 model of hardware I think this is the top based on the advertised specs for now right?

Nice video.

[philipma1957]

Nice job of grouping the information together.

I might have missed it on my read through, did the T2T ever hit the specs of 24TH ?? I know your meter couldn't handle the electrical load, but it would be interesting to see if the machine gets there.

The T2T+ looks deadly as far as efficiency, depending on what hardware actually makes it to market it won't be top of the efficiency list but still respectable?

Although for confirmed deliverers of at least 1 model of hardware I think this is the top based on the advertised specs for now right?

Nice video.

The m10 is better but it is a preorder it has only one speed.

I will be finishing this up overnight. and into tuesday

I have a new meter and will do  preformance tests on Tuesday.

I plan to run it overnight on efficiency setting

the t2turbo has 4 speeds
but it can only do asic boost pools

of course you can order a t2turbo now and get it quickly.

both
 t2turbo 24th
 t2turbo 32th are subject to the Donald Trump fuck you China tax of 25% + 2.6 % = 27.6%

the m10  does every pool = good
the m10 has 1 speed = bad

subject to the trump fuck you China tax
pre order = bad
but it is more efficient

eff setting  does 17380 at 1411 watts or 81.1 watts a Th.

[philipma1957]

Okay Here are ckpool stats on this miner at performance full speed setting

http://ckpool.org/users/16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr

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{
   "workername": "16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJr.T2Turbo",
   "hashrate1m": "20.9T",
   "hashrate5m": "21.2T",    it fluxes up and down It has been running for 2 hours and 20 minutes
   "hashrate1hr": "20T",
   "hashrate1d": "3.34T",
   "hashrate7d": "10.7T",
   "lastshare": 1537303177,
   "shares": 90024400,
   "bestshare": 218091951.0,
   "lns": 2871827565.390814,
   "luck": 1.0,
   "herp": 2870863732.619356
  },

I am going to check after a few more hours.
this is stock firmware  not the upgrade which  is faster but less efficient

I am working on getting the 32th model  but with the new fuck you china tax from mr trump it may be out of reach for me.

I am not sure if I now owe any in back taxes on imports so I will be waiting to order for just a bit.

[Steamtyme]

Thanks for updating. It will be interesting to see what it gets for a 24 hour test to see where it averages out; so far at stock it's looking a few TH low. They may have based the advertising on highest hash acheviable, mind you it's hard to draw conclusions from the 1 machine. I forget where you able to find a power meter to monitor it's consumption on the less efficient settings?

I am working on getting the 32th model  but with the new fuck you china tax from mr trump it may be out of reach for me.

I am not sure if I now owe any in back taxes on imports so I will be waiting to order for just a bit.

Yeah glad I'm not facing that, for most people that puts most miners well out of reach. I can only speculate but it sounds like anything prior is exempt, but maybe some of your more recent acquisitions will fall into the back taxes category.

[philipma1957]

Thanks for updating. It will be interesting to see what it gets for a 24 hour test to see where it averages out; so far at stock it's looking a few TH low. They may have based the advertising on highest hash acheviable, mind you it's hard to draw conclusions from the 1 machine. I forget where you able to find a power meter to monitor it's consumption on the less efficient settings?

I am working on getting the 32th model  but with the new fuck you china tax from mr trump it may be out of reach for me.

I am not sure if I now owe any in back taxes on imports so I will be waiting to order for just a bit.

Yeah glad I'm not facing that, for most people that puts most miners well out of reach. I can only speculate but it sounds like anything prior is exempt, but maybe some of your more recent acquisitions will fall into the back taxes category.

I think I am good for the innosilicon  at worst 2.6%

But the M10 maybe not.

I can't justify running the T2turbo at full speed .

it burns 2350 watts and fluxes from 22.5th to 23.76 th.

The t2turbo +24th  is best at efficiency 81-82watts a th 17.5th and 1410 watts

next best at balanced    19.8 th  1723 watts or 87 watts a th.

I am still working on getting the bittech one mini
which is pretty low cost. under 600 if it is real it is a good deal.

[philipma1957]

Is there any different between 10nm and 16nm in term of efficiency or performance?
Innosilicon 10nm but whatsminer m10 16nm

well better design can overcome size.

So the m10 with a 16nm is doing better then the innosilicon t2turbo +24

I don't know if I can afford a innosilicon t2turbo +32  due to the trump fuck you to china tax.

As I may owe 25% on the m10

and I would owe 25% on the innosilicon t2turbo 32th


that would be about 800 in tax. 

Since I am not sure of my status on the m10 I have to wait to find out how the design was improved on the t2turbo 32

Maybe it is better then the m10 as the m10 should be clocked a tiny bit lower then it is and does not have a multiple speed option.

[sarcheer]

My average over the last few days at Slush:

~22.8 TH/s
~2040-2060W
~89.5 W/TH

This is in a 80-88ºF room on the Factory tune.

[philipma1957]

My average over the last few days at Slush:

~22.8 TH/s
~2040-2060W
~89.5 W/TH

This is in a 80-88ºF room on the Factory tune.

Oem firmware or the upgrade?

Those are a little better then I did for factory.

[sarcheer]

Oem firmware or the upgrade?

Those are a little better then I did for factory.

The August 14th firmware. It took quite a few tuning attempts to arrive here. The usual problem was that there were far too many HW errors or power consumption was too high.

Btw, in your logs when you reboot or try a new tune, do your logs show an error for loading the tune, something like error: configuration file partially loaded?

[philipma1957]

The August 14th firmware. It took quite a few tuning attempts to arrive here. The usual problem was that there were far too many HW errors or power consumption was too high.

Btw, in your logs when you reboot or try a new tune, do your logs show an error for loading the tune, something like error: configuration file partially loaded?

Sometimes yes.
Sometimes they are also a bit weird on fan speeds.
I did research on the 25+2.6 = 27.6 % import taxes

I got it early enough  to beat the 25% tax

but I may get billed for the 2.6%

it looks like the 32th model will be unaffordable for me.

[sarcheer]

Sometimes yes.
Sometimes they are also a bit weird on fan speeds.
I did research on the 25+2.6 = 27.6 % import taxes

I got it early enough  to beat the 25% tax

but I may get billed for the 2.6%

it looks like the 32th model will be unaffordable for me.

I've noticed that as well with the fan speeds, at least in the logs. Sometimes it attempts to set a fan speed, say 74%, and the fan speed ends up ping ponging back and forth between 70% and 75%. I have my T2T in the server room of my company so I don't notice if the fan speed is truly ramping up and down.

[minefarmbuy]

Thanks for this philip!