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September 18, 2018, 09:00:03 PM
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So I received neg trust just now by a user(Lauda) after being accused by marlboroza.

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I would really like to hear opinions about this.

After their "consideration" Lauda decided to give me neg trust because they already negged one user for buying Reddit upvotes(and I'm selling them). Meanwhile, the members "considering my case" either advertise gambling or tumblers-mixers(which are used by criminals). So, I ask you, members, how is what I did immoral and wrong, but advertising gambling websites, which is illegal in some states, is totally okay with everyone? People lose homes gambling, which can't be said for fake Twitter followers lol.

I asked the same on the thread where they considered this, which is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032160.0

I haven't received a reply, but marlboroza decided to "warn" everyone:

I would suggest everyone not to respond to Ludji's post, as they are trying to move this topic in other direction.

I just want the users and staff of Bitcointalk to realize what they are doing. I never scammed, lied, or cheated anyone on this forum and I received neg trust. Meanwhile your senior users advertise illegal things and they are the law here. I hope the senior members are satisfied with their decision, now they can go back to earning a few bucks on people that are squandering their money away through their affiliate links. Well done!

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September 18, 2018, 09:09:25 PM
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I hope the senior members are satisfied with their decision, now they can go back to earning a few bucks on people that are squandering their money away through their affiliate links. Well done!
There are no affiliate links in any of the mentioned signatures. Time to go away and everyone will be much more satisfied.

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I hope the senior members are satisfied with their decision, now they can go back to earning a few bucks on people that are squandering their money away through their affiliate links. Well done!
There are no affiliate links in any of the mentioned signatures. Time to go away and everyone will be much more satisfied.

I was talking about this thread from marlboroza, by the way, who accused me in the first place:

I need best ad network for gambling site

So Lauda, you think that it's okay to advertise something that is illegal in some states, plain wrong and can cost someone their life literally? Why are you both evading the question? Don't worry, I'll leave the forum, you've done your job. Nice to see how DT members are responsible and not emotion-driven. Meanwhile, you dumdums can't even answer a simple question, because you know very well how wrong you are. Stop being hypocrites and acting like saints when you're not. What you're doing is ten times worse for the community.

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September 18, 2018, 09:16:35 PM
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Don't worry, I'll leave the forum, you've done your job.
You've said this already yet done the opposite. You seem to be a liar.

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September 18, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
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Hey man, why you post it in meta? Trust isn't moderated by forum. There is appropriate reference link why you got tagged. And I think it's valid reason to tag you. Move your topic on reputation from lower left.


Meanwhile your senior users advertise illegal things and they are the law here. I hope the senior members are satisfied with their decision, now they can go back to earning a few bucks on people that are squandering their money away through their affiliate links. Well done!

What you mean illegal things? And who is promoting affiliate links ?

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September 18, 2018, 09:21:18 PM
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Hey man, why you post it in meta? Trust isn't moderated by forum. There is appropriate reference link why you got tagged. And I think it's valid reason to tag you.

I post in this forum because I want to see what the users think and because nobody is replying on the original thread since marlboroza "warned" them not to reply. Also, this is a forum-wide issue and concernes the forum and staff.

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Forum isn't limited for some state. Forum is like open source. Bitcoin isn't legal all over world. So we need to closed this forum?

What's this supposed to mean?


You've said this already yet done the opposite. You seem to be a liar.

You still haven't answered the question Lauda. I just want to see what the users of Bitcointalk think about this, maybe they're not all hypocrites like you and marlboroza.

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I post in this forum because I want to see what the users think and because nobody is replying on the original thread since marlboroza "warned" them not to reply.
This is blatant lie. I suggested users not to reply to your off topic replies:
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I post in this forum because I want to see what the users think and because nobody is replying on the original thread since marlboroza "warned" them not to reply.
This is blatant lie. I suggested users not to reply to your off topic replies:
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I would suggest everyone not to respond to Ludji's post, as they are trying to move this topic in other direction.

I already said that and quoted it? You are both evading like crazy, yet feel the need to give out lessons to users who are not looking to do any wrong here. Answer the question I asked you already and stop evading.You still, haven't come up with a good answer?

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After their "consideration" Lauda decided to give me neg trust because they already negged one user for buying Reddit upvotes(and I'm selling them). Meanwhile, the members "considering my case" either advertise gambling or tumblers-mixers(which are used by criminals). So, I ask you, members, how is what I did immoral and wrong, but advertising gambling websites, which is illegal in some states, is totally okay with everyone? People lose homes gambling, which can't be said for fake Twitter followers lol.

People lose homes on the stock market. #BanStocks #BanOptions #BanInvesting
Cash is used by criminals. #BanCash
Banks are used by criminals. #BanBanks
Cars are used by criminals. #BanCars
Running is used by criminals. #BanRunning
Bitcoin is illegal in some places. #BanBitcoin
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The promotion of gambling sites is a difficult decision. Gambling choices are a part of modern life unfortunately. Even the choice of a bank to use for your fiat transactions has become a bit of a gamble. People visit casinos for recreational purposes, and, if they are sensible and don't lose more than they would spend on other entertainment, then I believe it is their choice. Addiction in any form is bad, and people should seek help if they do have a damaging addiction - this includes smoking, vaping, drugs, alcohol, and sex as well as gambling.

I have promoted gambling sites in the past, and I have pointed out to players that they will lose. The choice of casino just varies the rate and the amount of the loss. By restricting recommendations to the sites that provide the best entertainment value, I believe that you are helping a surfer who is determined to play. It also provides a chance to include links to sites and services that will help the surfer to control his losses.

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People lose homes on the stock market. #BanStocks #BanOptions #BanInvesting
Cash is used by criminals. #BanCash
Banks are used by criminals. #BanBanks
Cars are used by criminals. #BanCars
Running is used by criminals. #BanRunning
Bitcoin is illegal in some places. #BanBitcoin
People lose homes through lawsuits/criminal investigations. #BanTheLegalSystem
The Internet is used by criminals. #BanTheInternet

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What are you trying to get at? Gambling is one of the worst sins a man can have, it's made so only the casino wins. Don't try to dumb it down. The stock market is a capital market, gambling has no purpose other than to make the casinos money. Your stupid examples have only shown how ignorant you are of the damage gambling can do. Also, I don't see any regulation in the Bitcoin gambling world, do you?

The promotion of gambling sites is a difficult decision. Gambling choices are a part of modern life unfortunately. Even the choice of a bank to use for your fiat transactions has become a bit of a gamble. People visit casinos for recreational purposes, and, if they are sensible and don't lose more than they would spend on other entertainment, then I believe it is their choice. Addiction in any form is bad, and people should seek help if they do have a damaging addiction - this includes smoking, vaping, drugs, alcohol, and sex as well as gambling.

I have promoted gambling sites in the past, and I have pointed out to players that they will lose. The choice of casino just varies the rate and the amount of the loss. By restricting recommendations to the sites that provide the best entertainment value, I believe that you are helping a surfer who is determined to play. It also provides a chance to include links to sites and services that will help the surfer to control his losses.

They are most certainly not a part of modern life. The choice of a bank is a gamble, please clarify this point? People visit casinos because they are gamblers, you clearly have never seen the damage it does to both people and their families. There is nothing "recreational" about it. Sensible is an unknown term for any gambler. You've pointed out players will lose? It's like selling drugs and saying people will die, it's not any better mate.

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-No. Just no. Look, you can advertise it all you want mate, nothing will come of it, but what you believe in is certainly not true. You're not helping anyone.

Please don't get me wrong, you're free to do whatever you want, but I'd like to ask you, is selling fake followers or views comparable to promoting gambling, a sin that is illegal in some states and that has cost people their home and life. Why are these members deciding what is moral and what is not? Where is their moral or did they earn the right to not have morals and judge others at the same time?




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September 19, 2018, 11:08:10 AM
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Actually I probably know more about gambling than you do. I ran a horse racing book at school. I played cards for a living for a year when I was 19, and I helped a friend to set up a casino in the West End of London. Also, I made money playing Blackjack in Casinos before they changed the rules. I've also promoted on-line casinos.

Now lets look at alcohol. Excessive alcohol or alcohol dependence is bad - there is no question about that. Is alcohol in moderation bad? well I don't believe that it is. What is bad is cheap alcohol, and this is because of the impurities in it. It is far better to educate people in the enjoyment of the taste of quality alcoholic drinks, and to wean them off the pursuit of escape through the effects of alcohol. Much the same applies to gambling. It is far better to address the causes of destructive behaviour, than to try to ban it, and force it underground.

With reference to banks - how many people research the banks exposure to toxic debt and derivatives, or understand the risks of bail-ins, Their choice of bank is a gamble based on the bank's advertising in most cases.

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Actually I probably know more about gambling than you do. I ran a horse racing book at school. I played cards for a living for a year when I was 19, and I helped a friend to set up a casino in the West End of London. Also, I made money playing Blackjack in Casinos before they changed the rules. I've also promoted on-line casinos.

Now lets look at alcohol. Excessive alcohol or alcohol dependence is bad - there is no question about that. Is alcohol in moderation bad? well I don't believe that it is. What is bad is cheap alcohol, and this is because of the impurities in it. It is far better to educate people in the enjoyment of the taste of quality alcoholic drinks, and to wean them off the pursuit of escape through the effects of alcohol. Much the same applies to gambling. It is far better to address the causes of destructive behaviour, than to try to ban it, and force it underground.

With reference to banks - how many people research the banks exposure to toxic debt and derivatives, or understand the risks of bail-ins, Their choice of bank is a gamble based on the bank's advertising in most cases.

We can argue who knows more about it, but I'd rather not talk about it. It's fair to say we are both knowledgeable about it.

So should I start a fake follower education seminar informing people that fake followers exist? Should I tell them companies use fake followers on social media or is it fair to say that it's well known? Drugs are also a well knows subject, when is the forum going to start advertising them? I'm sure everyone knows the risk of using drugs.

Your funds are insured in banks at least up to a certain point depending on the country, mostly around 50k to 80k. It's safe to say whoever deposits more than that has done his research or at least has someone who does his finance.

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I think we are getting away from the main point in this thread. That relates to the sale or purchase of rank, favour or reputation. I haven't looked at your specific case, but as a general principle, I support Lauda in his belief that such traders are destructive for this forum. I started to post on Steemit, but I backed away a bit when I realised that one had to purchase the promotion of one's content, and that quality was of secondary importance.

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I think we are getting away from the main point in this thread. That relates to the sale or purchase of rank, favour or reputation. I haven't looked at your specific case, but as a general principle, I support Lauda in his belief that such traders are destructive for this forum. I started to post on Steemit, but I backed away a bit when I realised that one had to purchase the promotion of one's content, and that quality was of secondary importance.

Destructive to this forum? What does this forum have to do with my services? I never sold accounts of Bitcointalk, nor Merit, nor anything. The point of this thread is why my services are so "frowned upon" by higher-ranking members, while they earn their money from gambling websites. You'll soon be left with only Hero and Legendary members since everyone else is bullied into leaving the forum. Seriously, trust has become a total joke, I hope you realize this before it's too late. Lauda first wasn't sure whether I should receive a neg, then marlboroza pointed out they tagged someone for buying Reddit upvotes so they tagged me. If you're not sure in the first place, wouldn't it be fairer to remove that users neg than to neg me? If you already had a doubt in your mind, how can you act so freely?

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I'm not a good person to be involved in this discussion. I don't think accounts should be bought and sold, and I've just read your sig.


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I'm not a good person to be involved in this discussion. I don't think accounts should be bought and sold, and I've just read your sig.



Well, thanks for taking the time to engage in the discussion anyway.

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People lose homes on the stock market. #BanStocks #BanOptions #BanInvesting
Cash is used by criminals. #BanCash
Banks are used by criminals. #BanBanks
Cars are used by criminals. #BanCars
Running is used by criminals. #BanRunning
Bitcoin is illegal in some places. #BanBitcoin
People lose homes through lawsuits/criminal investigations. #BanTheLegalSystem
The Internet is used by criminals. #BanTheInternet

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What are you trying to get at? Gambling is one of the worst sins a man can have, it's made so only the casino wins. Don't try to dumb it down. The stock market is a capital market, gambling has no purpose other than to make the casinos money. Your stupid examples have only shown how ignorant you are of the damage gambling can do. Also, I don't see any regulation in the Bitcoin gambling world, do you?

He's showing the flaws in your infantile logic. You are clearly a child with a very immature opinion if you think Gambling is one of the 'worst sins' and the only person who is ignorant here is you. Everybody else is being completely rational and logical except you.

They are most certainly not a part of modern life. The choice of a bank is a gamble, please clarify this point? People visit casinos because they are gamblers, you clearly have never seen the damage it does to both people and their families. There is nothing "recreational" about it. Sensible is an unknown term for any gambler. You've pointed out players will lose? It's like selling drugs and saying people will die, it's not any better mate.

Gambling is just entertainment for most people. I know many people who gamble very occasionally and it's just a bit of fun for them. Sometimes people win and sometimes they lose but they know what they're doing. I know a lot of people who drink alcohol occasionally and have met very few people who have ever had a problem with it. Some people might ruin their lives with gambling/drinking/smoking/drugs/eating/sexing/driving, but that's their own issue to deal with and people are responsible for their own habits and addictions and I think that should be none of your concern.

Please don't get me wrong, you're free to do whatever you want, but I'd like to ask you, is selling fake followers or views comparable to promoting gambling, a sin that is illegal in some states and that has cost people their home and life.

Why are these members deciding what is moral and what is not? Where is their moral or did they earn the right to not have morals and judge others at the same time?

How about you practice what you preach and stop being a huge hypocrite? Some people believe in the choice of freedom so stop trying to push your own opinions and beliefs down the throat of others. Nobody cares what you personally think is a sin. People should be able to do what they want with their own money and that includes gamble, buy drugs, sex or whatever else you might think is sinful. Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to gamble and people have a choice and nobody else is responsible for that. The people who's personal details are on that email list you're trying to sell that is probably compiled illegally and likely without their consent have no say in the matter of who buys their personal info, so yes, that is more immoral and shady than advertising a gambling site in my opinion.




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Again a load of garbage. Gambling is a fcking addiction and can lead to large losses and a disaster. I already apologized for the e-mails and closed the thread a few days ago. Stop acting so high and mighty, I'm being negged for fraudulent marketing which is absurd. Lol, so fake followers are a fraud but advertising god knows whos casino is totally legit.

You think I'm a child because I'm an opposer of gambling? That fact alone shows how much you know about the consequences, "casual gamblers" are just addicts waiting to be born. Suit yourself. Obviously, this is no place for me, as it's totally unimportant what I or any other lower ranking member has to say. The only things that matter here are senior members and their flawed morals, you're untrusted if you don't oblige to their "judgment" lol.

Here's a fun thread where a bunch of Hero Members buy SMM services: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1937884.0

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September 19, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
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After their "consideration" Lauda decided to give me neg trust because they already negged one user for buying Reddit upvotes(and I'm selling them). Meanwhile, the members "considering my case" either advertise gambling or tumblers-mixers(which are used by criminals). So, I ask you, members, how is what I did immoral and wrong, but advertising gambling websites, which is illegal in some states, is totally okay with everyone? People lose homes gambling, which can't be said for fake Twitter followers lol.

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In the end fake twitter followers and reddit upvotes are still being used to manipulate people into losing their money to someone else, every other view on things is rather naive.

Besides you seem to imply that it's hypocritical / logically inconsistent to accept gambling and tumblers while battling social media manipulation, which is sort of a weird argument to make. Just because one thinks that gambling and tumblers are OK, they also have to accept social media manipulation? Should being OK with people smoking weed also lead to being OK with investment bankers peddling potentially toxic assets?

In an ideal world legality would fully coincide with morality, alas this is not and can not be the case. In the end a community has to police itself and if it finds a certain set of behaviours acceptable (eg. gambling) while condemning others (eg. social media manipulation) you either play by the rules or find yourself a community that shares your values.

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