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September 19, 2018, 10:45:21 PM
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..

I totally agree with that. People like OP think that wealth is like a cake, so if someone is wealthy, i.e. has a bigger piece of the cake, the rest are poorer. But wealth is like a fruit tree, that can grow and give more fruit, so if someone is richer, i.e. has more fruit, the rest can have more fruit as well. And when someone eats a fruit and throws the seed, a new fruit tree can grow, and so on.

Right, these ideals are why England dominated early in the industrial revolution, around the time of the first steam engines..

Until then wealth was land, and land IS like a cake..
England was intelligent to recognize that other people getting rich through industry and manufacturing was not taking wealth away from them but rather creating more wealth for everyone..

You can thank coal for all of it Smiley

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September 19, 2018, 11:15:52 PM
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So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country. You should also know that the duty of eradicating poverty must not be left to the government alone. You must also contribute your quota.
 
If you have worked to be wealthy or lucky to be one, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society. If I may ask, do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?
 
Think about this seriously. With the so much money in the world, poverty can greatly be reduced if not totally eradicated.
 
All that is necessary is the distribution of this wealth.

There is enough to go round.

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You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.


I have had this thought severally and I hope the part of proper/adequate wealth circulation is being taken into full consideration and enactment. It is really pathetic to see money/finance being squandered by governments in the developing countries while their citizens are in a state of abject poverty.
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September 19, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
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There's no something wrong if you give them a little food instead of money and help poor people to have work. Most poor people did not have a regular job because they are uneducated or diligence people are always relying on governments supply budget. So, instead give them a work or a decent job to have a maintain income for their family.
I like the culture of pure Chinese they are helping each other no one greedy and selfish.

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September 19, 2018, 11:41:33 PM
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So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country. You should also know that the duty of eradicating poverty must not be left to the government alone. You must also contribute your quota.
 
If you have worked to be wealthy or lucky to be one, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society. If I may ask, do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?
 
Think about this seriously. With the so much money in the world, poverty can greatly be reduced if not totally eradicated.
 
All that is necessary is the distribution of this wealth.

There is enough to go round.

Note:
You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.

I got your point but majority of those "whales" don't have the same thinking due to various reasons.

"If only" "If only" "If only" ; that wa the question. And we can't just push those whales to have the same thinking or goal to reduced poverty.

While getting assistance from the government, poor people must also do something to rotate the wheels of their life. Instead of waiting for the hard reality that billionaires will assist poor people, make some adjustment and challenge the world in order to step up.

For this to be effective, it needs a serious global awareness and involvement of big persons or country.

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September 20, 2018, 12:06:15 AM
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Poverty is the state of being poor. It cannot be diminished anytime. Even there are full employment to the world, it is not assurance that people would not suffer from financial shortage. World has scarce resources and definitely, it cannot supply those people who are extremely needed the commodities. World is only for rich people specially that there are capitalists who want to make more money.

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September 20, 2018, 12:42:10 AM
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rich people can really help the poor but it depends on them, they are not obliged though, giving money or assistance to poor once or twice is noble but to distribute the wealth of the rich people to some unfortunate individuals, it is not fair, it doesn't help the poor to survive but it encourages them to stay on begging and waiting for someone to lend them a hand. though there are some wealthy people who offers livelihood projects for the poor, but let us face it, some poor people are really stubborn and lazy and have no plans on working for themselves. sad thing is, it has become part of the cycle.

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September 20, 2018, 01:48:47 AM
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Yes ,I believe in that ,we can totally eradicate poverty ,if all want to do it, If the rich people and citizens with enough supply would not be greedy enough and help those who are need to rise up from poverty it will be a success and then the poor level of people will also work hard with the help of those high people , can really rise to much better life ,than just simply being poor , the help and working hard will gain improvement in life that what I believe, helping each other.

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September 20, 2018, 02:13:34 AM
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There's no something wrong if you give them a little food instead of money and help poor people to have work. Most poor people did not have a regular job because they are uneducated or diligence people are always relying on governments supply budget. So, instead give them a work or a decent job to have a maintain income for their family.
I like the culture of pure Chinese they are helping each other no one greedy and selfish.
I think we will not be able to eliminate a poverty that is a permanent problem that exists in every country and it will not be possible
to lose, for whatever effort you make by giving them a job, if they remain lazy they will still be poor
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September 20, 2018, 02:21:12 AM
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So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country. You should also know that the duty of eradicating poverty must not be left to the government alone. You must also contribute your quota.
 
If you have worked to be wealthy or lucky to be one, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society. If I may ask, do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?
 
Think about this seriously. With the so much money in the world, poverty can greatly be reduced if not totally eradicated.
 
All that is necessary is the distribution of this wealth.

There is enough to go round.

Note:
You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.
It is still poor those that area unit creating wrong selections in their life and zip else. If they ever got educated then they will have jobs in their hands and thereupon job they will virtually begin overcoming their life scenario that is presently thus known as poor. i do not assume that we must always be doing one thing for them tho' we have a tendency to had cash as a result of you recognize can|what is going to|what's going to} happen once this? they're going to get accustomed it and that they will begin relying a lot of on America instead of feign one thing by themselves. If they need got the art then tell them to try and do it and so pay. there's nothing like poerty during this world, there's solely your own mistake if you're unfortunate.
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September 20, 2018, 05:53:42 AM
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giving jobs or opening jobs to poor people who do not have a job is a good step, but the problem is how long they will be able to compete with technological advances, because in my experience people do not have jobs because they are lazy people
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September 20, 2018, 06:19:37 AM
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There are a lot of wrong statements in your post. A lot of wealthy people worked hard for that wealth, and no luck was involved. They deserve to live a comfortable life. A lot of poor people are not poor because they were unlucky, some are just lazy.

A typical example of this was when the Berlin Wall was broken down. Some of the people who was living in East Germany was simply not used to working hard and they were lazy too. So when the Wall came down, a lot of them went into poverty, because they were too lazy to work or they were not used to the concept of hard work = higher income, like in the west.

The Communist system in East Germany made them lazy and some of them could not handle the change. So, Capitalism is not all bad, people are encouraged to work harder for a chance of a better life. <Why should you give that away to people who might just be lazy?>

I give more than 10% of my income to charities that are helping poor people find jobs and a way to sustain them until they reach that goal. <I do not give to charities, where people are not encouraged to uplift themselves.> Teach them how to Fish!

Absolutely ridiculous, this is the type of bootlicking that is destroying the world.  THE MAJORITY of wealthy people get rich off the work of wage slaves.  All the pfoits go to the shareholders and Executives.  You are seriously dillusional, the hardest working people on this planet are dirt poor. Wake up! You are very brainwashed.

Stop talking crap, because you are only making a ass of yourself. My father had very humble beginnings and he worked hard to build a very successful business. In the end he had 1040 people working for him and he paid them respectable wages. None of these people were slaves, they fed their families and they had a decent living standard. <He even provided free housing>

If everyone sat back and just waited for a social hand-out, then poverty will never be eradicated. Some wealthy people built an empire to serve themselves and THIS provided jobs for other people.

I paid for my own education and I did not go into the family business, because I wanted to stand on my own two feet and do it all on my own. I am currently employed and happy to participate in charities to create jobs for other people.  Wink

Yes, some assholes exploit poor people and they pay them less than the minimum wage to work like slaves, but a LOT of wealthy people are not assholes and they provide very good job opportunities and uplift the lives of millions of people around the world.  Wink


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September 20, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
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So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country. You should also know that the duty of eradicating poverty must not be left to the government alone. You must also contribute your quota.
 
If you have worked to be wealthy or lucky to be one, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society. If I may ask, do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?
 
Think about this seriously. With the so much money in the world, poverty can greatly be reduced if not totally eradicated.
 
All that is necessary is the distribution of this wealth.

There is enough to go round.

Note:
You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.

Eradicating poverty completely is very much possible with the efforts you mentioned but I also do feel some beggars do it on intention as they don't want to work hard for their living and they find it easy to beg(Not in all cases of course). Governments and people are doing it as much as possible to help eradicate it by making NGO's and self-awareness centers and many other things.

Lastly, a person has to be determined to push himself out of poverty the help which he needs to do that will definitely be supplied from some sources.
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September 20, 2018, 11:25:25 AM
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So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country. You should also know that the duty of eradicating poverty must not be left to the government alone. You must also contribute your quota.
 
If you have worked to be wealthy or lucky to be one, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society. If I may ask, do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?
 
Think about this seriously. With the so much money in the world, poverty can greatly be reduced if not totally eradicated.
 
All that is necessary is the distribution of this wealth.

There is enough to go round.

Note:
You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.

Eradicating poverty is very challenging. There are a lot of poor people who do not have the proper education. Maybe we can start educating all the children in the world. Avoid drugs and other bad habits that can ruin health and oneself. If at least all knows how to reas and write it is not difficult to teach everyone who are in need.
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September 20, 2018, 11:41:39 AM
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I think that poverty exists not only because of drunks and laziness, there are different difficult situations in life ... I can not say that poverty is that people who experience this do not do anything in their lives, perhaps they just in a position where they have no other way out, rich people who are madly rich and even ordinary people who are in a position when their life is in good condition, only learn to share and give, not wanting or expecting something in return , then our world would be a much better place, and I think that poverty no longer. Do good and it will return. After all, everything in life comes back as a boomerang.
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September 20, 2018, 11:52:10 AM
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Your idea is hard to achieve!
Many rich people would rather throw away milk and bread than pity!
Their survival rule is to make money, and will not consider the feelings of others! Even crush the poor!
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September 20, 2018, 12:07:12 PM
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..

I totally agree with that. People like OP think that wealth is like a cake, so if someone is wealthy, i.e. has a bigger piece of the cake, the rest are poorer. But wealth is like a fruit tree, that can grow and give more fruit, so if someone is richer, i.e. has more fruit, the rest can have more fruit as well. And when someone eats a fruit and throws the seed, a new fruit tree can grow, and so on.

Right, these ideals are why England dominated early in the industrial revolution, around the time of the first steam engines..

Until then wealth was land, and land IS like a cake..
England was intelligent to recognize that other people getting rich through industry and manufacturing was not taking wealth away from them but rather creating more wealth for everyone..

You can thank coal for all of it Smiley

Well, this is not the whole story. If you want something closer to that, England was a dominating power in the world in 17-19th centuries with lots of colonies around the globe. I'm sure that you are familiar with the phrase "the empire on which the sun never sets". It is these colonies and their ruthless exploitation that gave British Empire its wealth. Needless to say, at its peak it was larger than any other empire in history.

For example, you may want read about Opium Wars, they are very descriptive and expository of the Crown's colonial policies.
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September 20, 2018, 12:20:10 PM
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..



The only way to be "lucky rich" is to inherit from the father. Otherwise, you should strive on to become rich yourself.
In Capitalism, there is no such thing as "everybody must be rich." The richness of people is his own ability. Most people are rich because of the poor life of the past. So, people should not sit down, and wait as a poor. I'm not saying we can't help, let's help. But if you don't have a skill, you will always be poor.
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September 20, 2018, 01:05:00 PM
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You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.

We have different point of view when it comes to this kind of thing. Of course, if I will be given a chance in amassing a large amount of money then I would help others because I know how it feels when you really need money and you don't know where you can get it. At first, in order to satiate those people, you need to give them food but along with it, you should teach them how to earn money themselves because sometimes, there are those who will abuse you because of being generous.

The only way to be "lucky rich" is to inherit from the father. Otherwise, you should strive on to become rich yourself.
In Capitalism, there is no such thing as "everybody must be rich." The richness of people is his own ability. Most people are rich because of the poor life of the past. So, people should not sit down, and wait as a poor. I'm not saying we can't help, let's help. But if you don't have a skill, you will always be poor.

Even if you only have a single skill that you are exceptional of then you can make money from it. You are not only doing it to make a living but you are doing it because you enjoy and love doing it which wouldn't feel like work anymore. Poor people are at a disadvantage when it comes to earning because they would start from scratch and those who become successful are the ones who became an inspiration to those who are born poor. As what the saying goes "It is not your fault if you are born poor but it is your fault if you die poor."

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September 20, 2018, 01:06:07 PM
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rich people can really help the poor but it depends on them, they are not obliged though, giving money or assistance to poor once or twice is noble but to distribute the wealth of the rich people to some unfortunate individuals, it is not fair, it doesn't help the poor to survive but it encourages them to stay on begging and waiting for someone to lend them a hand. though there are some wealthy people who offers livelihood projects for the poor, but let us face it, some poor people are really stubborn and lazy and have no plans on working for themselves. sad thing is, it has become part of the cycle.
Rich people can for sure help the poor and there is no doubt about that, but at the end of the day, it is always better to find more productive ways of helping them. The fact remains that as long as you keep giving someone food to eat, he or she will not understand how valuable that food is, because they are not working for it.

Except for someone who is handicapped, I do not expect someone who is not, to be begging. There are so many services to render at your own will, and get paid for it, no matter the country you are in but I feel some are too lazy to just realize that, and trust me, even the wealthy ones, will not want to put their money to waste.

The truth is, no one can eradicate poverty even if we come with joint effort, unless we start empowering people. That is more important than just feeding them and giving them something to eat everytime, and that won't still stop some people from not taking the opportunity to change their situations around, but would rather still want to remain poor, begging.

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September 21, 2018, 10:46:15 AM
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First, I think OP should edit the eradicate in his title pose to either ameliorate/curtail or reduced, give it a soft landing because it can not be eradicated in any society. And, if I have to make inference from the bible, do we still remember the rich man and the poor man story?

There are a lot of wrong statements in your post. A lot of wealthy people worked hard for that wealth, and no luck was involved.

I think that there is also the place of luck in our lives and being rich. The difference is that, being ready to identify the luck; in which case, the rich could have been ready. Off course, when being ready/opportunity meets luck, it takes one to wealth.

So we have to live ready.
I think of the united state as a country which has evolved a lot over the decades. It was initially a colony of people with pathetic financial statements and outdated infrastructure. The country paid huge attention to the human development and the current studies about their economy and political structure conclude them the most powerful country of the world.

So i want to say that they have raised their per capital income immensely and in a sense have put a full stop to the poverty. The word eradicate represent an optimistic approach towards finishing poverty but again what maters the most is the real figures and this can be done so. Poverty eradication or amelioration is a long journey and is the challenge being posed to so many countries currently.
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