This will be the answer. I have a Question. Manipulation??

[timotron]

I too heard theories like this where big whales are blamed for manipulating the market. However, I have my own theory because I fail to understand this game. Lets assume, you hold 1000 bitcoins and you are an active trader. If the bitcoin price increases, your net worth will increase. If it decreases, your net worth will be decreased. So, as a whale how would you want the price to be decreased? No one has given me a justified answer to this. Fake order volume is happening across the exchanges, but why as a whale, I will want the price to be decreased? It will be affecting my net worth. I fail to understand this mentality.

You can make money if you short the market, sell at 18K, rebuy at ~6K

No one knows it for sure. Everyone can speculate only and can't tell you the fate of the market in any way. If someone is saying that market will bounce back to 20k level by the end of the year, ask proof of that claim and that person will fall silent! So use your own brain and monitor the market trends very closely. That's the only thing we, as a common people can do!

We are all common people, don't we?
I don't see any uncommon person around.  

And this is not all we can do, there is always another way, but we have to use our brains ^^

I mean, We are educated in fear, and no one has balls to go against it, and if someone does, he instantly gets excluded from rest of society, because he is "not common"
and so we live like sheets under our priest.

Actually, we have the power to rule the world, but we prefer to look down, and not because we decided that, because we were conditioned to it
more or less, less or more, but we most people have an own fight and its not easy at all to evolve.

In any case,  what you think? when moon?

[tegarp90]

Hello everyone.
  This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real?   Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
  I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
 Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
 Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.


Good day.

Yeah manipulating in crypto is already a public secret.
Whale is the driver and we are the passenger is only able to speculating the price

[timotron]

Yes it is happening but those investors only do that because they want more of it they are just being greedy that's why they do that and they dont have a plan to dump it completely because they also trust this technology.

Some people are super convinced, like corruption in Gov, but do we don't find any proofs?

Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?

no, trust the invention and or this technology dont get affected to the volatility if you do you will never regret it for sure.

I like the technology, makes me fell free.
But it is impossible for me to stay passive with this volatility, a lot of opportunities ^^

Are we bouncing to +20K this time?

No one can tell exactly what will happen maybe yes and maybe no.

sure. Any bets?

[dohh]

You get some idea, how easily BTC price can be manipulated from here: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc.html

Compare median and average transaction value, that shows very well, how half of transactions are made actually in silly value of 300 dollars or less, but aritmetical average is as high as 25 000 dollars. As there are not as many active addresses, as You would like to think, it means that several whales control HUGE share of transactions.

As transaction cost is very low, its very likely, that whales move BTC between their own multiple wallets and therefore can picture You a paint of any changes in BTC value, as they like.

Its a pure scam, no more.

This is a really interesting chart to discover a lot of info.
You are right, the difference is impressive between this 2 transactions. but how to confirm your theory?
A cane a transaction map could be useful hmm..

So your conclusion is that the whole crypto space is base on a Scam situation?

You cant tell based on this data with 100% certainty, but if You know, what is the Gauss Function in math, then You would probably understand, that things with average vs median are not right.
If You keep an eye on the other indicators in that table, I gave You, You see, that if we talk about BTC as product, then basically no increase in transaction total number has been since 2016, it means BTCs organical growth is over.

Yes, my conclusion is, that whole crypto is a scam. That of course doesnt mean, that there is no way You can earn from there. You can earn from any scam, just odds are not in Your favor.

[naturerock]

The same thing goes on with wall street. The deck is incredibly stacked and small fish don't stand a chance.  Its just more apparent in the crypto market because blockchain transactions are public.

[timotron]

It's no secret that market manipulation is played by people who are a lot of money, he is able to buy more coins and they know when to sell it, it has happened lately and is exploited because of the absence of applicable law, it is very detrimental to many people who unhealthy because of the way they make money.

I trying to figure out how, and who is doing all this.

If we see Gold, is the same people behind it?
   Probably...

Maybe it`s just, that some "Theories of conspiranoia" true are...
Think tanks...war with not end...fear...control everywhere...

Why the ones decide, decide? 
Where did they get the authority from?
 I did not give it to then, who did?
and why are we doing nothing about?

[dohh]

You get some idea, how easily BTC price can be manipulated from here: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc.html

Compare median and average transaction value, that shows very well, how half of transactions are made actually in silly value of 300 dollars or less, but aritmetical average is as high as 25 000 dollars. As there are not as many active addresses, as You would like to think, it means that several whales control HUGE share of transactions. [...]

Good thinking, but keep in mind that those large transactions do not necessarily represent individual whales.

Exchanges and companies may shift balances between internal addresses (eg. when moving coins between the hot wallet and cold storage or vice versa) and batched transactions will look huge in almost any case (ie. looking merely at the stats above you can't tell a single whale depositing USD 25,000,- from an exchange paying out USD 25,000,- to dozens their of users).

That being said, short of regulating cryptocurrencies to death you won't get rid of manipulation that easily -- heck, even in strongly regulated classical markets manipulation can be a problem. The question is to what extent and I'm afraid that's close to impossible to tell reliably.

If You add third value into formula: number of transactions, then it will be even more transparent, that several whales do most of it. Its pure math. Median 300, Average 25 000, 200 000 transactions day, put it into Gauss function. And again - I really think its mostly redistribution of their mega-wallets. Its hard to cash out all at good price, but thats what they aim for.

Think about it: I move sum from one of my wallets to another, I do it with market price, pay silly small fee. Market follows my lead - this is probably current price, because a lot of money moves at this value.

[timotron]

It is true that these whales will be able to manipulate the price of the crypto currencies they can choose but I don't think that that is just that easy. If they really want to fully manipulate the prices of these cryptos I think they need to communicate with each other and make their plans or moves. Knowing some investors, I guess they will not go with these plan since they might betray each other taking the profits for themselves though there might be some manipulations but not that big of a scale.

Communication is there, definitely, but in private.

So who are there whales for you? are millionaires having fun? but they are nothing if you compare to billionaires. And they are nothing compared to the ones who decide how much money is there, or the ones excluded of the moneraty sistem.

in any case, if its true, o you have any proofs?

[timotron]

I've always though the whales are the ones behind the massive swings in the price recently. Back in the day, people would blame the news and/or events that the occuring in the cryptosphere to say that those factors are the ones behind the up and downs in the price, but we don't have that anymore, instead we have learge whales playing games in the market liquidating shorts and whatnot, others trying to tank the price so that more whales buy cheap...It's all blatant manipulation.

Can you prove your words somehow?
I mean, I have the same feeling, but nothing clear in my hands, we need a cane a James Bond...

Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
 Are we bouncing to +20K this time?

We haven't even tested the 10k levels and you can bet there'll be a lot of resistance at that level. But in all honesty, I doubt we'll test 20k this year, bearish sentiment is still surrounding market, I would be surprise if we see 10k towards the end of the year.

Interesting opinion about the price.
 We will see soon enough.
My Bets are more positive than yours :X

[dohh]

You get some idea, how easily BTC price can be manipulated from here: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc.html

Compare median and average transaction value, that shows very well, how half of transactions are made actually in silly value of 300 dollars or less, but aritmetical average is as high as 25 000 dollars. As there are not as many active addresses, as You would like to think, it means that several whales control HUGE share of transactions.

As transaction cost is very low, its very likely, that whales move BTC between their own multiple wallets and therefore can picture You a paint of any changes in BTC value, as they like.

Its a pure scam, no more.

This is a really interesting chart to discover a lot of info.
You are right, the difference is impressive between this 2 transactions. but how to confirm your theory?
A cane a transaction map could be useful hmm..

So your conclusion is that the whole crypto space is base on a Scam situation?

Look for a day, when You know from secure source, that someone moved huge amount of money, then minus it from that day, and see, how much effect it has.

[timotron]

Hello everyone.
  This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real?   Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
  I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
 Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
 Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.


Good day.

No. Today's scenario is totally different from last year's as it was the period of launch of bitcoin futures due to which bitcoin price rose to new ATH of $20,000.But now, there is no such event.

Agree, maybe the ETF gives some similar result.
and this spam of stable coins are making me think a lot, I think this is not good at all...

[dablatair]

Hello,

there is no doubt that whales are manipulating the market, like classic stock exchange institutions malipulate the market. They are not here for the interest of the technology and progress but only for making profit. They are manipulating it and will continue to do it as soon as they could earn money.

[MrRiuss]

the big fishes aka the whales are manipulation the market all the time, all market know about that.

[Argoo]

It is unlikely that this year bitcoin will grow as well as last year. This year the situation has become more complicated. Investors this year will already remember the drop of bitcoin after its December increase in price and this time will be cautious. Too many of those who invest in bitcoin on the rise of its price last year suffered a large loss. Therefore, it is difficult to predict how bitcoin will behave in the last months of this year.
Of course, whales have the ability to manipulate the market and will continue to do so.

[visionE2]

Hello everyone.
  This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real?   Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
  I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
 Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
 Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.


Good day.

i've ever found a news which says that bitcoin was buoyed by market manipulation, here is the news https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/06/14/bitcoins-astronomical-rise-last-year-was-buoyed-by-market-manipulation-researchers-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2c90f44fe9e0

[usekevin]

Hello everyone.
  This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real?   Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
  I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
 Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
 Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.


Good day.

Most of the people in cryptocurrency would like to see the 20k$ again. Ofcourse it happened in the month of December last year .I think all that due to the new investors stepped in to cryptocurrency at that time.As demand supply theory,the demand for bitcoin had increased in the market.If the investors in bitcoin had increased in a huge number,the price may be reach 20,000$.

[timotron]

the big fishes aka the whales are manipulation the market all the time, all market know about that.

thats a  comment with 0 fundaments, "all market know about" - a fallacie
maybe you don't know about fallacies. I recommend reading about it to get better skills.

Can you confirm somehow your words ?

[timotron]

You get some idea, how easily BTC price can be manipulated from here: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionvalue-btc.html

Compare median and average transaction value, that shows very well, how half of transactions are made actually in silly value of 300 dollars or less, but aritmetical average is as high as 25 000 dollars. As there are not as many active addresses, as You would like to think, it means that several whales control HUGE share of transactions. [...]

Good thinking, but keep in mind that those large transactions do not necessarily represent individual whales.

Exchanges and companies may shift balances between internal addresses (eg. when moving coins between the hot wallet and cold storage or vice versa) and batched transactions will look huge in almost any case (ie. looking merely at the stats above you can't tell a single whale depositing USD 25,000,- from an exchange paying out USD 25,000,- to dozens their of users).

That being said, short of regulating cryptocurrencies to death you won't get rid of manipulation that easily -- heck, even in strongly regulated classical markets manipulation can be a problem. The question is to what extent and I'm afraid that's close to impossible to tell reliably.

If You add third value into formula: number of transactions, then it will be even more transparent, that several whales do most of it. Its pure math. Median 300, Average 25 000, 200 000 transactions day, put it into Gauss function. And again - I really think its mostly redistribution of their mega-wallets. Its hard to cash out all at good price, but thats what they aim for.

Think about it: I move sum from one of my wallets to another, I do it with market price, pay silly small fee. Market follows my lead - this is probably current price, because a lot of money moves at this value.

Doesn't sound impossible at all.
I will spend some time analysing this chart and this theory of you.

Let me know if you find anything in text related please.

[timotron]

Hello everyone.
  This topic is about finding the real answer, the fully TRUE.
it`s real?   Are the big guys now playing with the market cap as they wish?
  I mean, since Mt.Gox there some suspicious theories.
Now, With this amazing and not so understandable Pump in December and a so low market since then.
 Are we getting another pump very soon? or it is over?
Last days we have been greens in the markets, that's is nice for some people definitely.
 Are we bouncing to +20K this time?
It is somehow similar to last year this dates...

If you have any info related to manipulations or theories about that, please share them with us.


Good day.

i've ever found a news which says that bitcoin was buoyed by market manipulation, here is the news https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/06/14/bitcoins-astronomical-rise-last-year-was-buoyed-by-market-manipulation-researchers-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2c90f44fe9e0

Exclusive news - Cant read it

[Myown55]

I think there is no manipulation whatsoever. For the 20K DOLLARS, I feel that this years record will surpass it. Let us keep advertising and promoting bitcoin activities. BITCOIN IS GOOD.