LoyceV's deMerit source application

[LoyceV]

At the end of the day, quality posts can be made, and then deleted after. I say automatically removing the merit once its been deleted isn't exactly the best approach. What I would say is, if the post is deleted directly by a moderator or whatever then it should be removed. However, if you made a reply in a thread which was removed it shouldn't. So, only if directly removed should merit be removed too. Self moderated threads shouldn't count.

I'll use an example which I've used before: I merited a scam-warning (because it's worth reading), until the OP got nuked and the scam warning got deleted too. That post deserved it at that time, and a Mod removed the entire thread. I don't think that Merit should be removed.

However, if I look at my full Merit history, I see about a dozen of deleted posts merited by me, and a few of my merited posts got deleted too. (note: if a post got deleted after I scraped the title, I don't change the label into "deleted" anymore)
Considering this is at most 1-2% of all Merit, I'd say it's totally acceptable to remove all Merit from all deleted posts. For legit users, it will just be like the very small change that happens to your Post Count once in a while.
For abusers on the other hand, the majority or all their Merit can disappear if it's removed once a post gets deleted! This will be well worth the small inconvenience of legit users losing a small fraction of their Merit.
This brings me to the conclusion: I'm in favor of removing Merit once a post gets deleted. This should not be limited to posts deleted by Moderators, since many Merit abusers hide the evidence by deleting their own post.

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[Chamaplal123]

I think there should be button or system for dislike post. If the post are spamming or irrelevant then people will dislike that post. After getting certain amount of dislike on that post. moderator will review that post. If He finds that post is spamming then the merit on the post will be destroyed. The post should be destroyed or not moderator will take that decision.
 
Example

Let set Min points require for report to moderator say 50 or more
the point system for dislike as per ranking

Newbie :- 0.5
Jr. member :- 1
Member :- 2
Sr. member:- 3
Hero member:4
Legendary member:5

consider post get dislike as below
                                     points              dislike
Newbie :-                         0.5        x         10       =      5
Jr. member :-                     1         x          5        =      5
Member :-                          2         x          10      =     20
Sr. member:-                      3         x         2         =      6
Hero member:                    4         x          1        =      4
Legendary member:            5         x          2        =     10
                                                            
                                                               total     =    50

Now this post report will sent to moderator. Moderator will check the post.If he find the post is spamming. then he can remove that post with warnings to the user. If count of warning exceed more than 5 within a month then the account will ban for a month.

I think this can be reduce the spamming post not only from Newbie or Jr. account but also from member and other higher accounts.

[bluefirecorp_]

This forum really needs some sort of dMerit or "idiot" button. This way, we can tag idiots effectively, so the general public doesn't actually think they represent this community.

[cabalism13]

This forum really needs some sort of dMerit or "idiot" button. This way, we can tag idiots effectively, so the general public doesn't actually think they represent this community.

No need for an "idiot" button for it is only an idiotic thing to have here. We already have an "Ignore" button for these spambies, just like what Jet Cash usually do. This is some kind of proposal of the spambie rank which can't be possibly be granted.


As for the OP, I doubt that you can do that all by yourself, perhaps you only intend to moderate some sections that really needs to be watched. Although we all know that there are only 3-5 boards here that we only have to clean and those places where the members that has to be demerited stays a lot.

(I think I should be merited for the reason I was able to remind you something jk)

[vphasitha01]

I think you're better as a Merit source rather than deMerit source. I also against the deMerit concept. In some merit abuse cases, I have seen that we exactly couldn't find the distinguishing difference whether that post to be merited or not. Giving away your sMerits to a post that you think deserved to be merited can be seen as a non-worthy post to be merited by another member. Choosing a post to award merit is subjective by each members opinions even though theymos mentioned merit only the quality posts. So how a single user can identify whether that post to be a deMerited one while we are not knowing the intention of the merit sender who merited that post at the first place.

If we can start a child board or sub-board under Meta for Merit abuse cases would be great rather going complicated concepts. This is just an idea, how about consensus process before deMeriting?

If its clear-cut case where we all can agree that post is not a merit worthy one, then its ok to be deMerit (if deMerit concept accept).    

[mazdafunsun]

I can't read most of those (Russian) posts, but the fact remains this one guy ranked up a small army of a few dozen Jr. Members, who no doubt will continue spamming later on. There are many users with a large supply of sMerit (only a small fraction of the 600k airdropped sMerit has been used), which means the Jr. Member spam can be sustained for a very long time.

I find that Google translate is good enough tool for evaluating the qaulity of posts.

To counter this, I'm applying to be a deMerit source. I don't think this should be used against heavy merit abuse (50 at a time), it could be limited to a maximum of 5 deMerit per user per month. This way it deranks many different users without destroying a large amount of Merit.

The thing is that in case of small merit abuse transacations as 1 merit ,Negative trust is good enough, it would not allow them to particpate in sign campaigns which would stop their spam.
But in cases of bigger merit abuse transactions negative trust is not enoug to stop the damage, as you can see that there are several puppet master which had already gotten negative trust but had the chance to do a lot of damage by ranking up 10s of spambots.
Those who have gotten negative trust for merit abuse should be stripped of their smerit for good.

In general i support the idea but only if the demeirting sources are only the most trusted memebers in forum to avoid more trouble with possible confilct resolution.

[Vod]

While I do not agree we need a deMerit source, LoyceV would be the best choice.

Congrats on being the first non-founding member to reach 1,000 merited points! 

[LoyceV]

The thing is that in case of small merit abuse transacations as 1 merit ,Negative trust is good enough, it would not allow them to particpate in sign campaigns which would stop their spam.

Receiving Merit on a low quality post is not a valid reason to for red trust. That could easily be abused to target a certain user.

Congrats on being the first non-founding member to reach 1,000 merited points! 

Thanks

[MULTIK888]

Precisely because I so same want to exclude from forum such users as: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=218947 I created this theme https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5035554.msg46038294#msg46038294 hoping to find support from old users but have not yet received any positive response to my suggestion. Unless these users are worthy to wear the title of senior members, members, if you distribute your points of merits to waste or selling them. Offer LoyceV brilliant, would merit..+1

[Chamaplal123]

Look at this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5036807.0  User Insculpt give the 1 merit to uyysidmc. But the post is posted in bounty section in which uyysidmc asking  for reserving translation campaign. Is this post should be rewarded? That means there are many user who are misusing merit model.

[LoyceV]

Bumping for DiamondCardz who created ive moderators the option to demerit when a post is deleted.

[DiamondCardz]

My opinion here is similar to Quickseller's.

This is not a good idea. If someone is breaking the rules, then you should report them and a ban will be issued as appropriate.

It would not be appropriate to allow someone to arbitrarily be able to remove certain features granted to users.

The difference for me is that I don't believe that no-one should be able to demerit at all (which can result in loss of access to certain features), I just think it should be limited to staff and be something that happens alongside post deletion. (you'd be a pretty good patroller imo!)

So yeah, unfortunately I can't support this in full, sorry

[xolxol]

while your intentions are good,it can be used by the others for their own benefit for ex..the mafia here will try to use this one to control the DT hierarchy it will be madness like the trust system.

[Deathwing]

Unfortunately, I will have to disagree here. Giving the users power to demerit other users is a bit too powerful and can be misused. I think I can say not even "can be misused" it will be misused. It is no news that there are circles in this forum, whether it be local or global categories that there are people who support each other (and only each other) and introducing any demerit system manipulated by users might heat up things a bit. DiamondCardz's suggestion regarding the moderators, however, is a very good one.

[ChiBitCTy]

I also disagree that non-mods should be able to remove merit. If anyone deserved to, Loyce is def worthy..but most members aren't anywhere near Loyce in terms of integrity, hard working, fair, etc. This is also why I believe this forum would be significantly better off if he were to be given a Mod position. I don't know if there are mods that don't have a sub section, but if there's no mods needed for any of the subs, Loyce would be a great "rogue" Mod..if you will. Maybe this already exists.  Sorry if a tad off topic.

[LoyceV]

Loyce would be a great "rogue" Mod..

It sounds badass, I like it!