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September 20, 2018, 09:49:52 AM
Merited by Foxpup (6), Vod (5), Flying Hellfish (5), ibminer (3), dbshck (2), LoyceV (2), paxmao (2), vapourminer (1), Coin-1 (1), morvillz7z (1), vphasitha01 (1)
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I developed this formula a month ago but forgot to post it here. Its a rough guide for determining the potential chance that what somebody has to say is going to be interesting. Of course its not an absolute measurement of anything in particular, but I'm always on the lookout for members that have extremely high (or extremely low) scores. It doesn't apply so well to old, inactive accounts; especially those that stopped posting before the merit system was introduced.

Without further ado, here's the formula:

WoP = (Merit + 1) / Posts x Activity

Pretty simple, really.

Here's how mine would look currently:

nutildah = (1061 + 1) / 2980 x 1162 = 414

Obviously Legendaries are gonna have the highest scores, but the point is, if somebody has a score above 100, they're probably worth listening to, and if somebody has a score below 10, they're probably not. Future refinement of the formula would include dividing the score by the rank level (1=Newbie, 7=Legendary) to make things a bit more even.

I became fascinated when I saw one particular poster had 2600+ posts, zero merit and such a low activity. Now with the new merit requirements my fascination is reinvigorated: who can find a score lower than krizpogi18 (0.084)? If you find one I may very well issue you a merit for your work!

Here's a list I made about a month ago, so the scores have probably changed a bit since then, tried to include some of the biggest names in the forum for your reference:

theymos: 1292
ibminer: 1225
phantastisch: 1074
Flying Hellfish: 958
charleshoskinson: 833
Satoshi: 829
eduffield: 756
Gavin Andresen: 734
ProfMac: 715
Damelon: 628
GameKyuubi: 600
Cyrus: 575
genjix: 553
jgarzik: 481
OgNasty: 477
Gyrsur: 408
marcus_of_augustus: 402
mprep: 385
Hal: 368
Dabs: 340
Vitalik Buterin: 307
QuestionAuthority: 276
-ck: 272
Vod: 243
Vlad2Vlad: 167
smooth: 138
Quickseller: 134
TradeFortress: 127
hilariousandco: 110
philipma1957: 101
Gleb Gamow: 77.9
Amph: 67.4
spiderlee: 17.7
amanarora_1: 1.20
katerinaliisa: 0.24
leoliln45: 0.18
krizpogi18: 0.08

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September 20, 2018, 10:00:50 AM
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I tend not to use these ranking systems. I try to build my own ratings based on knowledge, area of interest, communication skills and fluidity of post content. For example, I would be more interested in a Bitcoin miner discussing the problems in Venezuela, even if he had minimal merits, than a high score member posting about bounties.

I'm considering making a list of topic stars to help me find posts.

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September 20, 2018, 10:02:05 AM
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I would be much more interested in scores base on earned merit and not total merit, removing the airdropped merit and thereby leveling the playing field.

Vod's BPIP also uses a formula for most recognized posters - on a similar theme, but is based on merit, activity and trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4799468.0

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September 20, 2018, 10:04:38 AM
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I wonder who is worse..a newbie with 2600 posts and zero merit or a legendary member with 28000 posts who has earned only one merit since the system was introduced.....

Maybe theymos will extend this 1 merit requirement to all ranks, so you can keep your rank but you're not allowed to have a signature unless you earn 1 merit from other members.

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September 20, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
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For some odd reason i get almost the exact same result with your formula.

morvillz7z = (175+ 1) / 184 x 182 = 174,08 





I wonder who is worse..a newbie with 2600 posts and zero merit or a legendary member with 28000 posts who has earned only one merit since the system was introduced.....

I'd say, they are equally bad.
Just recently, came across a legendary account with hundreds of posts (2013/14), consisting of only one/two or three words.

Anyway, we should be very careful what we wish/ask for, because recent developments and the following mess, i'm sure, has not achieved the prettiest results so far (referring to boards being swamped with merit beggars and advice givers).

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September 22, 2018, 04:01:02 AM
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I think , you should test the formula first in some random samples.

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Name:   soniclord
Posts:   1997
Activity:   1092
Merit:   1002
Position:   Legendary
Date Registered:   April 05, 2015, 07:12:51 AM
Last Active:   July 16, 2018, 03:21:23 AM

WoP = (Merit + 1) / Posts x Activity
        =(1002+1)/1997*1092  =548.46

By your formula,soniclord is more worthy poster than all of the below quoted.

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jgarzik: 481
OgNasty: 477
Gyrsur: 408
marcus_of_augustus: 402
mprep: 385
Hal: 368
Dabs: 340
Vitalik Buterin: 307
QuestionAuthority: 276
-ck: 272
Vod: 243
Vlad2Vlad: 167
hilariousandco: 110
philipma1957: 101


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September 22, 2018, 06:16:08 AM
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I think , you should test the formula first in some random samples.

Name:   soniclord
Posts:   1997
Activity:   1092
Merit:   1002
Position:   Legendary
Date Registered:   April 05, 2015, 07:12:51 AM
Last Active:   July 16, 2018, 03:21:23 AM


WoP = (Merit + 1) / Posts x Activity
        =(1002+1)/1997*1092  =548.46

By your formula,soniclord is more worthy poster than all of the below quoted.

Its a rough guide for determining the potential chance that what somebody has to say is going to be interesting. Of course its not an absolute measurement of anything in particular,

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September 22, 2018, 08:12:29 AM
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Without further ado, here's the formula:

WoP = (Merit + 1) / Posts x Activity

Pretty simple, really.

Here's how mine would look currently:

nutildah = (1061 + 1) / 2980 x 1162 = 414


I just add a bracket on your formula because it's confusing. Great idea though.
The Formula should be;
WoP = [(Merit + 1) / Posts] x Activity
 Remember MDAS?
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September 22, 2018, 08:12:42 AM
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This is what I posted in Vod's thread How recognized are you in the bitcointalk world?:
For consideration:
If you're counting the initial (airdropped) Merit, which was based on Activity, aren't you double counting Activity?
Vod changed the calculation to exclude airdropped Merit.

Then again, by multiplying Posts and Activity, you double count those too.

Its a rough guide for determining the potential chance that what somebody has to say is going to be interesting.
If this is what you're looking for, why don't you just divide Merit by Posts? Add one to give Newbies an unbiased chance, so:
WoP2.0 = (Merit earned + 1) / Posts. That would give:
satoshi: 2.10
theymos: 0.33
LoyceV: 0.17
soniclord: 0.00

The drawback is that old posts may be good, but didn't get merited because they're old. Over time, this will become less important.

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If this is what you're looking for, why don't you just divide Merit by Posts? Add one to give Newbies an unbiased chance, so:
WoP2.0 = (Merit earned + 1) / Posts. That would give:
satoshi: 2.10
theymos: 0.33
LoyceV: 0.17
soniclord: 0.00

The drawback is that old posts may be good, but didn't get merited because they're old. Over time, this will become less important.

Best way might use the formula like  (Earned Merit+1)/ (Activity gathered after Jan 24 +1) but I guess it will be difficult to calculate the activity generated by user after Jan 24 due to concept of potential activity.

Concept of number of post created after Jan 24 will fix the calculation for everyone.

 (Earned Merit+1)/ (No. of post created after Jan 24 +1)

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Sometimes I would say hello people stop spamming the forums. Other times I would say hey people it is just a forum, let's not exaggerate too much. Why so serious? Tongue
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September 24, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
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Obviously Legendaries are gonna have the highest scores, but the point is, if somebody has a score above 100, they're probably worth listening to, and if somebody has a score below 10, they're probably not. Future refinement of the formula would include dividing the score by the rank level (1=Newbie, 7=Legendary) to make things a bit more even.


Oh... I was applying the wrong order in the operations and getting a <0. I should have read the post about the brackets first.

WoP = ((Merit + 1) / Posts) x Activity    

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((30+1)/115)*115.

31 ? hmm.

((30+1)/116)*116.

~31 after this post.
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I beat vod with 260!

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WoP = [(Merit + 1) / Posts] x Activity

(648 / 3996) x 728 = 118



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Here is the BPIP top 500 list.  (1,000 was too large for this forum)

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((merit+1)/posts)*activity

theymos - 1435.62
ibminer - 1247.00
phantastisch - 1186.00
teramit - 1139.00
sapta - 1122.00
jstefanop - 1114.00
Paashaas - 1105.00
Micio - 1086.00
dbshck - 1083.02
Globb0 - 1082.00
vapourminer - 1071.00
NLNico - 1065.40
VonSpass - 1065.00
nopedope89 - 1060.00
youngwebs - 1056.00
yefi - 1054.32
mmm01 - 1054.00
arulbero - 1053.00
Shawshank - 1052.00
MemoryDealers - 1051.00
casinocoin - 1051.00
Lasergun - 1051.00
mistercashking - 1051.00
Xprim777 - 1046.00
maildir - 1044.00
ErisDiscordia - 1042.00
bitcoin revo - 1042.00
fronti - 1041.54
Dunkelheit667 - 1040.00
eneloop - 1040.00
bcmine - 1037.22
seuntjie - 1033.00
notsofast - 1031.00
UdjinM6 - 1029.00
brutale2 - 1029.00
Spidersbox - 1029.00
GGUL - 1028.00
bitebits - 1028.00
Chefin - 1027.00
SpAcEDeViL - 1026.00
AGD - 1026.00
doc12 - 1026.00
cAPSLOCK - 1024.30
casinobitco - 1024.00
pazor_true - 1024.00
yogi - 1022.00
NattyLiteCoin - 1022.00
pinkman12345 - 1022.00
lavajumper - 1022.00
TheStuhlman - 1021.00
LightRider - 1021.00
CryptoImperator - 1020.00
PoolMinor - 1020.00
infofront - 1019.93
wetsuit - 1019.00
foroplus - 1019.00
A-Bolt - 1019.00
aleix - 1019.00
not.you - 1018.00
ThomasV - 1018.00
sandy-is-fine - 1018.00
Cluster2k - 1018.00
hodlcoins - 1018.00
wosch76 - 1017.00
rb1205 - 1017.00
kenobius - 1016.00
BlueDragon747 - 1016.00
Trading - 1016.00
fairglu - 1016.00
otrkid70 - 1015.00
finist4x - 1015.00
monkeynuts - 1014.00
Adriano - 1014.00
nrd525 - 1013.00
shveicar - 1013.00
ghostlander - 1012.00
protokol - 1012.00
peteycamey - 1012.00
funkenstein - 1011.00
Rux - 1011.00
BG4 - 1011.00
c_lab - 1011.00
jeezy - 1011.00
punkrock - 1011.00
aigeezer - 1011.00
klintay - 1011.00
BitcoinFX - 1010.27
fragout - 1010.00
Wed - 1010.00
IGHOR - 1010.00
jiggytom - 1010.00
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September 25, 2018, 10:17:45 AM
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I became fascinated when I saw one particular poster had 2600+ posts, zero merit and such a low activity. Now with the new merit requirements my fascination is reinvigorated: who can find a score lower than krizpogi18 (0.084)? If you find one I may very well issue you a merit for your work!

Lowest I see is

Zaarin - 0.08474036214

3,139 posts. no merit

You need more decimal places in your number to see if I win.  Smiley

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Its a rough guide for determining the potential chance that what somebody has to say is going to be interesting.
If this is what you're looking for, why don't you just divide Merit by Posts? Add one to give Newbies an unbiased chance, so:
WoP2.0 = (Merit earned + 1) / Posts. That would give:
satoshi: 2.10
theymos: 0.33
LoyceV: 0.17
soniclord: 0.00
I'm also agreed with LoyceV because just see the WoP of following two users.

WoP of Zaarin = [(0+1)/3136]x266 = 0.0848

WoP of krizpogi18 = [(0+1)/2662]x224 = 0.0841

So do you believe the Zaarin is worthy poster than krizpogi18 when comparing just two of them? I believe the answer is No. Zaarin was registered earlier than the other user and where he achieved more activity than krizpogi18. We cannot take the number of activity as a criterion when we calculating the WoP because the activity is the second barrier after merits for avoiding users to rank up just by gaining merits whether truly or abusive manner. If activity barrier isn't there users will ultimately rank up just gaining merits. What theymos has done is put the time factor into the equation when calculating the user rank which stopped the users getting rank up sometimes within one night (we all know merit is trading in the black market). That will give users also extra time for being active and being a responsible member.

In a nutshell, multiplying the activity when calculating the WoP would not yield a good figure for a comparison of users.


I became fascinated when I saw one particular poster had 2600+ posts, zero merit and such a low activity. Now with the new merit requirements my fascination is reinvigorated: who can find a score lower than krizpogi18 (0.084)? If you find one I may very well issue you a merit for your work!

Lowest I see is

Zaarin - 0.08474036214

3,139 posts. no merit
Post count of Zaarin is currently 3,136 but not 3,139

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You need more decimal places in your number to see if I win.  Smiley
Even with the more decimal places, you didn't win Vod in this time Tongue

Vod's BPIP also uses a formula for most recognized posters - on a similar theme, but is based on merit, activity and trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4799468.0
I think we don't want to consider the trust when calculating the WoP because trust is nothing to do with the worthiness of the poster. Having a higher trust score doesn't mean the poster is worthy or vice versa. Its ok for when calculating the recognition as done in BPIP

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I think we don't want to consider the trust when calculating the WoP because trust is nothing to do with the worthiness of the poster. Having a higher trust score doesn't mean the poster is worthy or vice versa. Its ok for when calculating the recognition as done in BPIP

Fair enough. But the better forumla, as LoyceV has pointed out, would be (Earned merit + 1)/Number of posts. Including airdropped merit and then multiplying that by activity, when they are essentially counting the same thing, puts a massive skew in favor of anyone who was a legendary before the merit system was introduced regardless if they are a one-liner shitposter, as can be seen by the hundreds of members who work out at a score of 1001 (1000 airdropped merit, 0 earned merit, same number of activity and posts, all posts meaningless and simply fulfilling bounty requirements).

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September 25, 2018, 11:26:36 AM
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But the better forumla, as LoyceV has pointed out, would be (Earned merit + 1)/Number of posts.

I always love new metrics. 

It would be trivial for me to display this on BPIP.   Once we decide on a proper formula.  Smiley


Post count of Zaarin is currently 3,136 but not 3,139
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Typo.  3,136 is correct.  His current score is 0.08482142830


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