Banned aid should have its own board

[JetAid]

I think it would be productive for Meta to have a sub-board for banned account help threads. Not only would this free a part of the Meta index, but linking to it from Theymos's welcome message could make a nice warning for new members.

[mdayonliner]

I think it would be productive for Meta to have a sub-board for banned account help threads. Not only would this free a part of the Meta index, but linking to it from Theymos's welcome message could make a nice warning for new members.

We have talked about it several times in past without any success. Here is one I can recall Re: Sub/Child board for Account Issues

Seems like even the community did not have much interest on that topic.

Update:
Here is another one:
Subforum for account ban request

[JetAid]

We have talked about it several times in past without any success.

I revived the topic in the hope that, if it were to be implemented, the welcome message could include a link to the board. New members seeing that a lot of accounts were being deleted for rule breaking might think twice before breaking them.

[Gloverwrt]

And if there is to be such a sub board, may I suggest that only moderators are allowed to reply to complaints. No point having members spam on such threads.

[Jet Cash]

And if there is to be such a sub board, may I suggest that only moderators are allowed to reply to complaints. No point having members spam on such threads.

I agree that it is useful for moderators to reply and discuss an individual problem. I don't agree that spambies should be denied the right to reply.This would mean that the appellant couldn't reply to his own thread. It would be useful if newbies and spambies were encouraged to read the threads as well, as I believe that prevention and discouragement is far better than punishment and cutting off a member.

[erikoy]

No it should not have since theymos has provided on how they can appeal on their banned accounts since and appealing here is subject for violating the rule which is BAN EVASION. However, if it is really necessary then it is up for theymos to decide.

[LTU_btc]

As I already said in previous similar topics, I don't think that dedicated board for ban appeals is needed. Let's keep things simple and keep all forum related stuff in single Meta board. If new board for ban appeals would be made, maybe we would also need to have dedicated boards for hacked accounts recovery, Merit discussion and etc. I prefer current situation when we have everything what is related to forum in one place.

[Jet Cash]

I can understand the appeal of keeping all Meta topics on a single board. However, we have a major problem with the abuse of posting privileges, and my suggestion is really aimed at trying to reduce those. If new ( and older ) members could view a long list of deleted accounts, and read the reasons for the banning, together with associated discussions, then I would hope that it would bring home to them the severity of the punishment. If this can reduce the load on the mods, and the cost of handling the bad posts, then it would seem to offer a significant benefit in return for a fairly simple change to the forum.

Improvement in the posting habits could even lead to the return of limited signature privileges, and that should be a major incentive for them.

[Alone055]

If new board for ban appeals would be made, maybe we would also need to have dedicated boards for hacked accounts recovery, Merit discussion and etc.

A sub-board for all kinds of account related issues, like bans, hacks or whatever else there is. And another sub-board for Merit-related discussions, where all the topics discussing Merit in any way should be posted. It would require moderation of course, because it can be turned into another spam board by the majority with their useless questions and threads.
The current situation of Meta is that every thread you will find is either about Merits or accounts. If these two things are separated, the board would look much better.

[LTU_btc]

The current situation of Meta is that every thread you will find is either about Merits or accounts. If these two things are separated, the board would look much better.

About Merits - we had same situation back in January when Merit system was introduced. But within few months number of threads about Merit reduced signficantly. I think that after few months we will have much less threads about Merit.
About hacked account recoveries - if theymos will release automated account recovery system as he announced, there we will have less tgreads about hacked accounts.
And banned accounts - I still can't understand why reason of ban aren't displayed when user login to banned account, while if he get temp. ban - reason of ban are displayed. Now abusers don't even know why they are permabanned and appealing when there is no chance to lift ban.
@JetCash, good thoughts, but I feel that most of these abusers just don't care. After they get ban, they just move on, create new account and continue their shady activity.

[jackg]

I can understand the appeal of keeping all Meta topics on a single board.

I disagree, I much prefer ordered folders...
Sub boards for Trust, Merit and Ban appeals would indeed be helpful. Then we can use meta to discuss the misc stuff that doesn't fit in the other boards...

[NavI_027]

I agree. This will be great help to attain further orderliness of the forum since large portion of the Meta section are composed of ban appeals nowadays. However, this seems infeasible for implementation because it surely requires a moderator which we are lack of. Even though we already have few here, I guess they'll refuse because they can no longer afford to accept another pile of work due to busy scheds.

But if ever implemented (though I doubted), much better if this board will not only be intended for dealing with ban appeals but also to all kind of complaints about deleted posts/threads, merit abuse, negative trusts or any forum issues which will be entitled "Complaints Section".   

[vphasitha01]

This is what I got when I started the thread about asking the same thing as @JetAid suggested,

By considering all the facts my initial impression about new subforum has been changed to two best possible methods suggested by Welsh and LTU_btc as follows,(Thanks for your practical solutions)

- Showing the reasons of banned when someone login into a banned account
- Showing massage to contact Theymos/Cyrus when someone gets banned

So I'm hoping someone having powers will see this thread and take actions someday. Lets together make Meta section clog free(at least less)

I also support this idea and if we cannot start a subforum, just implement the above two suggestions proposed by @Welsh(Now working as staff) and @LTU_btc.

Now the problem getting even worsed with the Newbies merit begging threads. When we starting a thread regarding some matters about the forum suddenly getting disappeared with those ban appeal threads and the merit begging threads.

[Jet Cash]

Nobody seems to be discussing the disincentive possibilities. In romain times, a traitor had his head cut off, and it was placed on a stake outside the city walls. In the miiddle ages, highwaymen were often left hanging on the gallows. The probability of detection and preceived severe punishment works as a deterrent. A board full of unsuccessful ban appeals could be the forum equivalent of heads on stakes.

The mod overhead wouldn't be much greater than the current overload. Banned aid threads should be started in the sub-board, and if they aren't, then just move them.

Side note - I think heads on stakes should be brought back for some of our politicians.

[jackg]

Nobody seems to be discussing the disincentive possibilities. In romain times, a traitor had his head cut off, and it was placed on a stake outside the city walls. In the miiddle ages, highwaymen were often left hanging on the gallows. The probability of detection and preceived severe punishment works as a deterrent. A board full of unsuccessful ban appeals could be the forum equivalent of heads on stakes.

Steps:
1. Get theymos to buy an island
2. Get theymos to buy a wall
3. Get theymos to convince that if they go there they will get their accounts back and pay for their flights.
4. Stick their heads on the island wall you just built and think as to how the spammers are no longer here .

There are successful ones amongst unsuccessful ones, do they successful ones get pulled out of there and moved into regular meta?

[Jet Cash]

Banned aid should be aid for all banned posters. Why has that got anything to do with islands and walls? Banning is forced emigratrion. An appeal is a request for reentry,and if successful,then the member is returned to the forum.

It's really a fairly simple process.

[YOSHIE]

Productive Quantity Meta is fully a global moderator right, Meta Forum, is a profession that has the expertise to think about posting calculations, assessing construction work, administration so that a job can be described and can be estimated, planned, analyzed, controlled and entrusted.

Meta's position is also known in other terms, namely the estimator, in the discussion during the post implementation process (later can be expanded according to the development of the discussion).

Meta's position in Meta management is generally under the control of @Theymos administration.

Monderator Global Meta has a way:
- knowledge of methods and sequences of job posts, members of trust and not trust.
- reading / translating skills, pictures, writing, language, links etc.

[jackg]

Banned aid should be aid for all banned posters. Why has that got anything to do with islands and walls? Banning is forced emigratrion. An appeal is a request for reentry,and if successful,then the member is returned to the forum.

It's really a fairly simple process.

The island is to make it legal.

I'm merely suggesting rounding up some of the spammers and beheading them, what's not to understand (to send a meesage).