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September 24, 2018, 01:11:02 PM
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After the change, it's time to focus on the Campaign managers accepting spammers/shitposters.
This will be just a database, as there is no control nor penalties at that point but we can have it as a reference.  
Format to report >

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[b]Campaign Manager:[/b] [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=XXXXXXXX]Profile Name[/url]
[b]Campaign  :[/b] [url=link]Name[/url]
[b]Proof:[/b] shitposters wearing signatures + Link to spreadsheet where they were accepted / got paid.

Keep in mind that some shitposter can wear a signature even if they are not accepted by the managers, so make sure that you have checked if the user is actual participant in that campaign.

Wondering what shitposting is ? Let me add one comment from The Pharmacist, just because I cannot describe it better that he him.

It all comes down to these three things:

1)  Shitposters write poorly-written posts.  This is usually, but not always, because the shitposter is trying to write in English when they have a very poor grasp of grammar, what words should be capitalized, where the punctuation should go, and shitposters tend to very often have an extremely limited vocabulary.  The person might be intelligent in his or her native language, but posts often sound like they were written by a simpleton.

2)  Shitposters produce vapid content.  Shitposters usually don't have much to say.  When they write something, it has usually been written many times before by many different shitposters.  This leads to either very short, boring posts or very bloated posts that should be much more succinct than they are.

3)  Shitposters are incentivized to post.  This is obvious if you're here for longer than a week, and this is also why people don't read anything here--shitposters are not paid to read.  It's why most posts you make don't get replied to in the spam mega sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion, Economics, and Speculation.  This also explains why there are so many members here and why there's so many posts in general.
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September 24, 2018, 01:21:04 PM
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I do not know if it's a good idea to have a collection of these managers.
I try to explain myself better and explain why I think it would be better to have only one database for the results of these managers.
In the forum there are too many managers, could be even a hundred and some of these are "private" managers who work directly with the team of the ico (and not managers to manage many ICOs), other managers had only managed two or three campaigns.
I do not know if the comparison of people who managed and manage thousands of users (or mulliaccount) with people managing only 1 campaign and 20/30 accounts produces a reliable result.
I think it makes more sense to make a list of managers based on how many bounties they have made or are managing and how many scams have been detected and what they have done to prevent the scam and / or what they have done to prevent users from using multi account.
Keep in mind that this is a personal idea and that it can therefore be wrong but has the purpose of wanting to be constructive.

Back to the question of OP, if we must consider managers who only do campaigns where quality over quantity is rewarded, we can count on a dozen or less active currently.

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September 24, 2018, 01:50:24 PM
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+1 with  Coinlocket.
There are so many Copper Member manager also, that might be active for that particular project. Creating a list of shit Managers will not help until Theymos decide to ban them.
It will be hard also because some of them created there own sites to manage bounty here.

Better we can go in creating reverse list, list of manager accepting quality poster(Merit requirement). Initiative to bring SMAS back to life. I think if all bounty manager start contributing and referring to SMAS list, spam problem will be solved.
I think , just like Merit source, Theymos can assign some user to run this initiative and anyone recruiting users from SMAS list will be banned.
If spammer do not find any bounty, manager fearing ban will ultimately cause both to mend the ways.
Disabling the signature of the user who featured in SMAS list is also a good solution.

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September 24, 2018, 01:54:51 PM
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Overview of Bitcointalk Signature Anti-Spam Campaign Managers thread already exist, so you can safely say that any manager isn't the list are manager who accept shitposters, just started his job or simply not competent to be a manager.

I only can agree with your idea if the criteria is many participants of the managed campaign violate forum rules.

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September 24, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
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Better we can go in creating reverse list, list of manager accepting quality poster(Merit requirement).

Such a list already exists here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712.0 (ETF beat me to it Tongue)

Sure, the list will include many users who only manage one campaign and are never seen again, but negative trust ratings include many users who try to scam once and are never seen again, and the Scam Accusations board includes many users who try to launch one scam ICO and are never seen again. I don't think this is an argument against making such a list.

Even knowing such a list exists might encourage some managers to change their behavior.


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September 24, 2018, 02:14:37 PM
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Moving from the Spambusters thread to here.

Campaign Manager: bubbalex
Campaign  : Bravo
Proof: Spreedsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13lJfUkIuD-TL0zxUfhNNs4evff4RvRMWjYiIVGFV0vA/edit#gid=275848487

Has been paid for 3 weeks. Shitposting.
fonengo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2008327

Hasn't earned a single merit, plus posting in spam mega threads
Unplugged: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1075940;

Most of the users in this campaign are from Russia but their posts are mostly 1 liners. I don't understand what they have written but the pattern is there, Most of them haven't earned any merit except for getting 1 merit out of nowhere.

 
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Overview of Bitcointalk Signature Anti-Spam Campaign Managers thread already exist, so you can safely say that any manager isn't the list are manager who accept shitposters, just started his job or simply not competent to be a manager.

But the thing is, it wasn't still yet updated. Having it updated will be of help, and for those whose accepting spammers for their campaigns are a must to be banned from this community.

I only can agree with your idea if the criteria is many participants of the managed campaign violate forum rules.
One example of that is the current Bounty Manager of INGOT COIN.

They're still on the run and almost all of the participants we're just bounty spammers.




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September 24, 2018, 03:01:09 PM
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Bitcoin paying campaigns don't accept shitposters anymore, but only bounty managers do. Sylon comes to mind, jamalaezaz(?), hua_hui(?) are the known managers for accepting shitposters?

What would be the use of reporting them? Not many DT members would agree to give a red-tag, but that doesn't matter.

Isn't it time to start banning managers who pay shitposters? Managers are banned anyway if they create airdrops or altcoin giveaway threads. Well, the bounties with shitposters count together as the same.
But the thing is, it wasn't still yet updated. Having it updated will be of help, and for those whose accepting spammers for their campaigns are a must to be banned from this community.
What exactly hasn't been updated?

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I am aware about this list, It is more about against SPAM, less about accepting Merit.
I will ask pugmam to review Zapo . current bounty manager of BQT.

Since a bounty manger can pop at any time using Copper Membership or can operate outside of this forum, so we should not concentrate on them.
We can work on strengthening  SMAS initiative, further more managers are encouraged to participate in it and contribute in this list.
Anybody feature in SMAS list will get the signature disabled and a neutral trust for spamming.(Theymos help needed.)

Not only bounty managers, every user can contribute to it by using "Report to Moderator" , if somebody reported for spamming then Mod also put them in spam list if they agree.

I think it will be more effective than merit in reducing spam.




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Isn't it time to start banning managers who pay shitposters? Managers are banned anyway if they create airdrops or altcoin giveaway threads. Well, the bounties with shitposters count together as the same.

IKR? It's about time they get banned along with ICOs who are using these managers. There should be a dedicated mod for this IMO, A person will ban these Managers and ICOs.

 
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Last edit: September 26, 2018, 06:55:59 PM by iasenko
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If you wanna manage a campaign you should follow some guidelines (rules - but we don't like this word as we don't want to enforce any restrictions but somehow we have to put the things in order) even if you are a newbie/copper member.
Maybe it's time someone to make one list and have it pinned in the bounty sections.
Something like >

1. Every bounty manager should provide information rearing the holder of the funds (escrow) for the campaign, and also provide a signed message from the address with the bouny reward capital.
2. To participate in signature campaign, a certain amount of earned merit should be required.
3. All the reports should be made off the forum or in a single post, edited for all the week updates. 
4. Low quality posts should not be counted (eligible for payment).
5. Multiple low quality posts should result in user disqualification from the campaign and receiving no payment for the whole period of the campaign.

I'm sure people with more experience can come up with more of guidelines. Those a just the ones that came to my mind now.

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If you wanna manage a campaign you should follow some guidelines (rules - but we don't like this word as we don't want to enforce any restrictions but somehow we have to put the things in order) even if you are a newbie/copper member.
Maybe it's time someone to make one list and have it pinned in the bounty sections.
Something like >

1. Every bounty manager should provide information rearing the holder of the funds (escrow) for the campaign, and also provide a signed message from the address with the bouny reward capital.
2. To participate in signature campaign, a certain amount of earned merit should be required.
3. All the reports should be made off the forum or in a single post, edited for all the week updates.  
4. Low quality posts should not be counted (eligible for payment).
5. Multiple low quality posts should result in user disqualification from the campaign and receiving no payment for the whole period of the campaign.

I'm sure people with more experience can come up with more of guidelines. Those a just the ones that came to my mind now.

Bounty managers are offering digital marketing services. While i agree there should be some sort of guidelines, this certainly crosses a line.

1. Some companies mint the tokens after the token sale, so the escrow depends on the case, this impossible to implement.
2. Merit requirements already exist, no need to complicate things even more.
3. None of anybody's business how a bounty manager organizes his campaign. Some prefer to count manually, some have their own platforms
4. Quality is subjective and should be left in the hands of the bounty manager.
5. Same as 4

A bounty manager's job si to deliver his service to his client and that's it. Unless they are endorsing bad behaviour i think they should be left alone to do their job.

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November 09, 2018, 11:47:10 AM
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Moving from the Spambusters thread to here.

Campaign Manager: bubbalex
Campaign  : Bravo
Proof: Spreedsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13lJfUkIuD-TL0zxUfhNNs4evff4RvRMWjYiIVGFV0vA/edit#gid=275848487

Has been paid for 3 weeks. Shitposting.
fonengo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2008327

Hasn't earned a single merit, plus posting in spam mega threads
Unplugged: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1075940;

Most of the users in this campaign are from Russia but their posts are mostly 1 liners. I don't understand what they have written but the pattern is there, Most of them haven't earned any merit except for getting 1 merit out of nowhere.
I will pay more attention to this, thanks.

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November 09, 2018, 02:46:16 PM
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I will pay more attention to this, thanks.
Please do, this is your task as a bounty manager.
All we are trying to do is reduce the unnecessary spam. Many of the participants in the signature campaigns have no interest nor intentions to learn. They are here only for the money and polluting the forum.
You as a bounty manager have to discourage such attitude so everyone can benefit, you get better posters and be more respected project, we as a forum users have less spam to read, and the mods will have less work.

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November 20, 2018, 01:25:00 PM
Last edit: November 20, 2018, 01:35:36 PM by dodgrad
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I'm not sure if tagging managers that "accept" shitposters is the main what we should to look on.
I think that it should be much more important to check posts manually, just like articles on websites or blogs. If the manager accepts posts only because of their number, not quality - this is the biggest error that should be eliminated.
In other words - post calculation should never be automatic - always manual.
Of course accepting is also very important and the most basic thing, but i think we should to rate all their actions. We should to look on bigger picture of their work.

 
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November 20, 2018, 01:39:09 PM
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Most bounty hunters hardly know the purpose of putting on a campaigns signature,i must confess, what's advertisement,when the advertiser isn't one to pay attention to..
Who in his right senses would click a link below a one line spam reply,its basically simply, if one comes up with more quality posts,the better for the campaign..And the more the willingness for users to try out the link on their signatures..

If the managers can take their time to sort this out, really it'll not only be better for the forum,but also for their projects/campaigns
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